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Sex Ed Oct. 17th, 2012 @ 10:49 PM Reply

When your child gets older and enters puberty they need to learn more about their sexual organs, masturbation, and well sex. Unfortunately parents seem scared about telling there children about anything remotely to do with sex. Now I have never understand this way of thinking, maybe one of you parents could explain why your so afraid of talking to your child about this.

Its gotten so bad that alot of parents want to band Sex ED from our schools altogether. These people seem to have forgotten what it was like when they first entered puberty. They seem to think that if no one ever tells their child about sex then they will never do it. What they fail to realize is that sex is instinctual. Animals do it all the time. They didn't need to be taught, they just do it by instinct. Humans have that instinctual urge to.

When you get hungry you get the urge to eat something. Sex is like that, you start to have urges and you start to fell things like lust. Now we can ignore these urges to but why would you do so if you haven't been told the possible consequences to doing so. Now we get to the point of why we should teach our children. If you don't teach them they wont know about the risks of getting a STD, how likely pregnancy is, or about condoms.

Some parents get the idea that if they make up things to scare there children then they will never have sex. The worst thing to do is to lie to your child. This is another example of how these parents seem to have forgotten what it was like when they were at that age. They say things like your hands will get hairy if you masturbate and people will know what you did, or if you have sex before you are married your penis will fall off. Your children are not stupid.They know you are bullshiting them and they will not trust anything else you say.

So do your kids a favor. Stop acting like a wuss and just tell them already!

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Response to Sex Ed Oct. 18th, 2012 @ 04:15 PM Reply

Schools have no right to teach my kids about drugs, or sex, or any of that. It is not their responsibility to pick up slack for parents who are too "embarrassed" to talk about it. You can't pick/choose your involvemnet in your child's life. Can't handle teaching your kids about life? You aren't ready to be a parent.

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Response to Sex Ed Oct. 18th, 2012 @ 04:30 PM Reply

At 10/18/12 04:15 PM, LemonCrush wrote: Schools have no right to teach my kids about drugs, or sex, or any of that.

Then don't let your kid go.

There are benefits to learning about sex ed in school. It provides a group wide dissemination so that all students of the same age learn no later than a set time. It's also a good social activity so that the youth going through puberty together can learn to be comfortable with what's happening together.

I value teaching one's own kids, but don't trash on school sex ed. They both have their uses and are both important.

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Response to Sex Ed Oct. 18th, 2012 @ 04:31 PM Reply

At 10/18/12 04:15 PM, LemonCrush wrote: Schools have no right to teach my kids about drugs, or sex, or any of that.

Or evolution. Fuck evolution.


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Response to Sex Ed Oct. 18th, 2012 @ 04:35 PM Reply

At 10/18/12 04:15 PM, LemonCrush wrote: Schools have no right to teach my kids about drugs, or sex, or any of that. It is not their responsibility to pick up slack for parents who are too "embarrassed" to talk about it. You can't pick/choose your involvemnet in your child's life. Can't handle teaching your kids about life? You aren't ready to be a parent.

Unfortunately, stupid people have kids either way.
Sex ed is vital. It lowers teen pregnancies which in turn makes society better in like.. every possible way.

I wouldn't count on parents to teach kids math and geography, why would I count on them to teach them about sex? If we're going to have any schools at all, might as well focus on the important stuff, sex ed being pretty high on the list, way before bullshit like literature.


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Response to Sex Ed Oct. 18th, 2012 @ 05:38 PM Reply

At 10/18/12 04:15 PM, LemonCrush wrote: Schools have no right to teach my kids about drugs, or sex, or any of that. It is not their responsibility to pick up slack for parents who are too "embarrassed" to talk about it. You can't pick/choose your involvemnet in your child's life. Can't handle teaching your kids about life? You aren't ready to be a parent.

I hope thats trolling. Sex Ed is important stupid people have sex and decide to go bare back when they don't understand the concept of safe days from the menstruel cycle or that just because you pull out doesn't mean your safe there is still pre-fluid (being PC here sex stuff meh..) and still have kids. if they can be taught by a specialist in school we would cut unwanted pregnancies by alot.

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Response to Sex Ed Oct. 18th, 2012 @ 06:26 PM Reply

At 10/18/12 05:38 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: when they don't understand the concept of safe days from the menstruel cycle

And by that you mean that they don't understand that there are NO safe days to the menstrual cycle?

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Response to Sex Ed Oct. 18th, 2012 @ 06:31 PM Reply

At 10/18/12 04:31 PM, JMHX wrote:
At 10/18/12 04:15 PM, LemonCrush wrote: Schools have no right to teach my kids about drugs, or sex, or any of that.
Or evolution. Fuck evolution.

You know, I not only agree with that despite believing in Evolution (And despite this poster being sarcastic.), but I also will add creationism to that list too. Honestly it's the parent's that should rightfully dictate how their children are being brought up and no school or government should raise other people's kids.

The role of the school is to equip our children with the needed skills and knowledge that the child needs to either get into higher education or find a job. Depending on the child's wishes, of course.

This is how a child's life should work:

Parents should and have a moral right to have absolute authority (And only the parents having authority) over how their child is being raised until about 16 when they're leaving High School and the parents authority over the child is no longer needed.


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Response to Sex Ed Oct. 18th, 2012 @ 06:32 PM Reply

At 10/18/12 06:31 PM, HomicidialFrog wrote:
Or evolution. Fuck evolution.
You know, I not only agree with that despite believing in Evolution (And despite this poster being sarcastic.), but I also will add creationism to that list too. Honestly it's the parent's that should rightfully dictate how their children are being brought up and no school or government should raise other people's kids.

Also fuck chemistry. Parents should teach that out of respect for those of us who believe in alchemy.


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Response to Sex Ed Oct. 18th, 2012 @ 06:45 PM Reply

I always liked my dad's way of approaching this. He knew my school would teach me about the sexual stuff and when I did go through the program, he sat me down and asked if I had any questions. When I did ask him a few things, he honestly and openly discussed it with me. I always appreciated that. He knew that the school that he pays taxes for would teach me about sex and that if it didn't do the job completely, he'd help fill in the blanks. Just like how he knew they'd teach me most of the basic math principles and then he could help me with the rest.

I guess what I'm saying here is that I think it's good for schools to teach these things because that's what they're being paid to do. Teach. However, I do think it's vital for parents to have a stake in their kids' lives to the point that they can help build upon the lessons taught in the classroom.

That's my two cents, anyways.


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Response to Sex Ed Oct. 18th, 2012 @ 06:47 PM Reply

At 10/18/12 06:32 PM, JMHX wrote:
At 10/18/12 06:31 PM, HomicidialFrog wrote:
Also fuck chemistry. Parents should teach that out of respect for those of us who believe in alchemy.

Hmm, you actually have a point there. Still I can't help but feel it's morally wrong to impose anything on other people's children. I suppose that's just the hardcore Libertarian inside me speaking.


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Response to Sex Ed Oct. 18th, 2012 @ 06:50 PM Reply

At 10/18/12 06:47 PM, HomicidialFrog wrote:
Hmm, you actually have a point there. Still I can't help but feel it's morally wrong to impose anything on other people's children. I suppose that's just the hardcore Libertarian inside me speaking.

Fuck schools, too.


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Response to Sex Ed Oct. 18th, 2012 @ 06:58 PM Reply

Having worked for Planned Parenthood specifically in the teen sexual education department, I know how important it is for kids and teens to be educated about puberty, sex, sti's and prevention, and birth control. The vast majority of parents do not teach their kids about any of these thing. In fact, most of them lie or inadvertently misinform their kids, because of their own lack of knowledge.

I've given talks to kids, teens, and "adults" within safe houses, schools, churches, juvenile halls, jail houses, and even college campuses. The knowledge gap concerning sti's and birth control between teens, college students, and even adults is much smaller then one might think! Teens, adults, and college students are all equally misinformed! The reason behind this, I'm determining from my experience, is that the sexual education these people had in school wasn't adequate or just completely false! Christian sex ed. groups and purity ring groups seem to be the favored choice for educating students on sex. However, all those groups teach is to not have sex at all, because it is immoral and dangerous!

The reality is that most teenagers have already had some form of sex by the time these sex ed groups come along. So telling kids that they're bad people for having sex before marriage and that they may die from having sex doesn't do any good whatsoever. From my experience, teenagers have a lot of burning questions about sex and their bodies, such as how to put on a condom, what sores are normal vs. an infection on one's genitals, is it safe to have sex while a girl is on her period, what protection should I be using, I've had unprotected sex x-amount of time ago, what should I do? Boys and men have asked me these questions and tons and tons more.

One of my favorite presentations was when my group went to a college campus and talked to 100+ students in a lecture hall. My job was to talk about sti parasites. When I started talking about Trichomoniasis, and how it is a living parasite crawling around inside your genitals, the students cringed and laughed. I ended with "The longer you wait to go to the pharmacy to get the cream or to go to the doctor for your shot, the more these parasites feast on your body! So why even worry about any awkwardness at the pharmacy or talking to your doctor?!"

To sum it up, what was my job? To clean up the mess and educate kids who were misinformed by failed talks and plastic rings from Christian sex ed groups.

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Response to Sex Ed Oct. 18th, 2012 @ 07:27 PM Reply

At 10/18/12 04:30 PM, Camarohusky wrote: I value teaching one's own kids, but don't trash on school sex ed. They both have their uses and are both important.

There should be no need for schools getting into it at all. Schools are not parents.

And in my personal sex ed experience, there was lots of misinformation flying around.

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Response to Sex Ed Oct. 18th, 2012 @ 07:30 PM Reply

At 10/18/12 05:38 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: I hope thats trolling. Sex Ed is important stupid people have sex and decide to go bare back when they don't understand the concept of safe days from the menstruel cycle or that just because you pull out doesn't mean your safe there is still pre-fluid (being PC here sex stuff meh..) and still have kids. if they can be taught by a specialist in school we would cut unwanted pregnancies by alot.

Of course stupid people will fuck. And no amount of govt. sanctioned sex ed is going to change that. And the teachers who teach sex ed are far from "specialists".

Stupid and smart people will screw up and get pregnant, no matter how well educated they are on the subject. Does school sex ed prevent sex and/or pregnancies?

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Response to Sex Ed Oct. 18th, 2012 @ 07:38 PM Reply

At 10/18/12 04:31 PM, JMHX wrote: Or evolution. Fuck evolution.

You're equating a scientific theory with morality. Your analogy doesn't hold up.

Furthermore, evolution and chemistry are proven and observable scientific phenomenon.

Now back to the topic at hand...drug use, sex ed, etc. are life forming, choice based, issues. There's no place in school for things that are relative or interpretive (such as religion, moral issues, consumption of foods, etc). Sex is relative and unique to each person, as far as how you will handle it.

Then there's the futility of such education. If a kid is gonna wear a rubber, good for him. But if he isn't, no amount of schooling will change his mind. Think about no smoking ads or programs in schools. I'll bet you 1000 dollars that kids still smoked in your school. Despite the warnings. The videos. The pictures of cancerous lungs. Kids are still gonna smoke. Or do coke. Or E. And dumb kids are gonna skip on condoms.

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Response to Sex Ed Oct. 18th, 2012 @ 07:50 PM Reply

At 10/18/12 04:31 PM, JMHX wrote:
drug use, sex ed, etc. are life forming, choice based, issues. There's no place in school for things that are relative or interpretive (such as religion, moral issues, consumption of foods, etc). Sex is relative and unique to each person, as far as how you will handle it.

Or economics, social sciences, art, philosophy, the English language.


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Response to Sex Ed Oct. 18th, 2012 @ 07:56 PM Reply

At 10/18/12 07:50 PM, JMHX wrote:
At 10/18/12 04:31 PM, JMHX wrote:
drug use, sex ed, etc. are life forming, choice based, issues. There's no place in school for things that are relative or interpretive (such as religion, moral issues, consumption of foods, etc). Sex is relative and unique to each person, as far as how you will handle it.
Or economics, social sciences, art, philosophy, the English language.

Only art and philosophy are subjective.

Also, none of those things (sans art/philosophy) are matters dealing with personal choice.

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Response to Sex Ed Oct. 18th, 2012 @ 07:58 PM Reply

At 10/18/12 07:56 PM, LemonCrush wrote:
Or economics, social sciences, art, philosophy, the English language.
Only art and philosophy are subjective.

Also, none of those things (sans art/philosophy) are matters dealing with personal choice.

Oh wow. Don't even know where to go with that. Can't wait until you run across semiotics.


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Response to Sex Ed Oct. 18th, 2012 @ 08:10 PM Reply

At 10/18/12 07:58 PM, JMHX wrote:
Oh wow. Don't even know where to go with that. Can't wait until you run across semiotics.

Given the context in whcih you brought it up, I have a feeling you don't actually know what that is. :/

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Response to Sex Ed Oct. 18th, 2012 @ 08:18 PM Reply

At 10/18/12 08:10 PM, LemonCrush wrote:
At 10/18/12 07:58 PM, JMHX wrote:
Given the context in whcih you brought it up, I have a feeling you don't actually know what that is. :/

I'd tell you, but then I'd have to burke your tenor.


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Response to Sex Ed Oct. 18th, 2012 @ 09:32 PM Reply

I strongly believe that all math classes in schools starting in high school should be absolutely and irrefutably replaced with sexual education classes in advancing complexity and depth as the years advance.


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Response to Sex Ed Oct. 18th, 2012 @ 10:23 PM Reply

At 10/18/12 07:27 PM, LemonCrush wrote: There should be no need for schools getting into it at all. Schools are not parents.

Aside from the fact that there are many parents who are too weak and/or too fucking stupid, I did outline other benefits of sex ed in school. The biggest of these is the social environment ensuring that the youth going through the roller coaster changes feel comfortable around other students sharing their experiences. There's also uniform time and content of the class as well.

And in my personal sex ed experience, there was lots of misinformation flying around.

This is where parents should step up and fill in. Parents should prep the kids for sex ed and then debrief them from what they have learned so not only do they get the benefits from the school sex ed cirriculum, timing, and social environment, but the parents can know what their kids are learning and fill in any blanks when needed.

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Response to Sex Ed Oct. 18th, 2012 @ 10:34 PM Reply

To be honest, sex ed is best left to the schools and not to the parents. At least in a school setting, they do talk about it in a group, essentially so that no one gets embarrassed and everyone can understand puberty at the same time, along with the possible dangers of sex and STDs later on. {Not that it helps that much, considering that most students will probably have some sort of sex in high school or sometimes in middle school.}

The parental approach on the other hand, at least from what I've seen and heard generally range from sugarcoating it to outright condemning it altogether, which frankly is stupid. Of course it all depends on the parents and how the message is being sent across, but in my book, I wouldn't want my parents telling me about sex and puberty anymore than I want my plumber doing my taxes, and fortunately for me, I never had to deal with either one. While there is no right or wrong answer when it comes to teaching sex ed, parents bitching against sex ed is simply pathetic, never mind the opposition towards Planned Parenthood and even condoms in some cases.

Let's be honest here, unless you're saving yourself for marriage due to a religious reason or put it bluntly, a complete fucking loser, chances are that you had sex in some form with someone at least once {if not more} in middle/high school, and certainly in college. With proper sexual education, at least you'll know about the possible dangers of sex and how you can use condoms to protect yourself before you start fucking someone like a pornstar.


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Response to Sex Ed Oct. 18th, 2012 @ 11:25 PM Reply

At 10/18/12 07:38 PM, LemonCrush wrote: Sex is relative and unique to each person, as far as how you will handle it.

Well if you did have sex ed, you would be shocked to find that all humans reproduce the same way!

Through EGGS. EGGS


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Response to Sex Ed Oct. 19th, 2012 @ 12:50 AM Reply

At 10/18/12 11:25 PM, poxpower wrote: Through EGGS. EGGS

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Response to Sex Ed Oct. 19th, 2012 @ 11:01 AM Reply

At 10/18/12 07:38 PM, LemonCrush wrote: Now back to the topic at hand...drug use, sex ed, etc. are life forming, choice based, issues. There's no place in school for things that are relative or interpretive (such as religion, moral issues, consumption of foods, etc). Sex is relative and unique to each person, as far as how you will handle it.

I agree it is a choice. Sex ED should not used to try and keep teens from having sex, however that does not mean we should get rid of it all together. What I think it should be used for is to help them know the risks like STD's, how pulling out does not guaranty no pregnancy, and the likely hod of pregnancy. Then we should teach them about condoms, how to use one, and other ways to decrease chances of pregnancy.

Again it is still a choice but at lest this way they know all the facts to help them make there choice and if they chose to have sex with out precautions then the only person they have to blame for STD's, STI'S, or pregnancy is themselves.

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Response to Sex Ed Oct. 19th, 2012 @ 11:32 AM Reply

At 10/19/12 11:01 AM, Jmayer20 wrote: Sex ED should not used to try and keep teens from having sex

Any sex ed that doesn't include abstinence is just as incomplete as sex ed that preaches only abstinence.

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Response to Sex Ed Oct. 19th, 2012 @ 07:07 PM Reply

If ignorant parents won't teach their kids about sex, then who will? If you're not ready to have "the talk" with your kids, you aren't ready to be a parent. Enough said.


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Response to Sex Ed Oct. 19th, 2012 @ 10:16 PM Reply

At 10/19/12 07:07 PM, HiryuGouki wrote: If ignorant parents won't teach their kids about sex, then who will?

That's why the have sex ed in school in the first place. Although it would be considered ironic if said ignorant parents wanted to ban sex ed, {not including abstinence} and not willing to tell kids about sex.

If you're not ready to have "the talk" with your kids, you aren't ready to be a parent. Enough said.

Well, that's inaccurate. As I said before, the schools should be doing this, not the parents for the reasons I've already mentioned before. Now it depends on the how the message is being sent about sex, but as a whole, I'm much more comfortable learning about sex in a school environment than a one-on-one conversation where it could be either sugarcoated or simply blatant lies.


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