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Response to 60 Frame Collab 5: 2013-02-10 19:35:25 Reply

Thanks for the feedback. I just realised the fla is CS5

Here's the CS4 version
http://www.newgrounds.com/dump/item/8b9ce27a8350fe38cf0f0459 b2dc2c50

and my icon
http://www.newgrounds.com/dump/item/f0ed6ea29555a4cb23c7939c 7d6af990

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Response to 60 Frame Collab 5: 2013-02-11 14:04:08 Reply

This is the animation (60 frame)
http://www.newgrounds.com/dump/item/87bb1401d37c4161d21f9d3e 44a971f6

This how it happen to be when I split things up:

Part 1: (60 frame)
http://www.newgrounds.com/dump/item/6737a6ad71c2f163f8730707 503c4bbf

Part 2: (60 frame)
http://www.newgrounds.com/dump/item/ec9c80a17cc16417966a551a 02414c65

I don't really know which one to submit after coloring and backgrounds and stuff anymore!

Any feedbacks? Please

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Response to 60 Frame Collab 5: 2013-02-11 16:09:22 Reply

At 2/11/13 02:04 PM, A-Genius wrote: This is the animation (60 frame)
http://www.newgrounds.com/dump/item/87bb1401d37c4161d21f9d3e 44a971f6

This how it happen to be when I split things up:

I don't really know which one to submit after coloring and backgrounds and stuff anymore!

Any feedbacks? Please

Maybe its because it hasn't got color yet, but I'm not quite sure what is happening.


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Response to 60 Frame Collab 5: 2013-02-11 16:17:39 Reply

At 2/11/13 02:04 PM, A-Genius wrote: Any feedbacks? Please

We still don't know what's even going on. There's some guy, or maybe a girl, on her knees and I think she's begging, then the other person standing up appears to have a whip...but then they just shake around a lot and nothing really happens.

So in terms of feedback, I'd say maybe you should try re-doing it, or at least a few of the shots, to try and better tell the audience what's going on.

The movements are quite fast and almost robotic-like, it's pretty displeasing to the eye. For example, when the person on their knees is shaking their head, they do it way too quickly. Smoothen it out a bit, and have an extra frame on the end of each direction where the head only moves a small amount before shaking the other way, if that makes sense. It'll make it look more lifelike and realistic. Motion doesn't just stop dead like that, it always will slow to a stop, faster motion means a quicker stop, but nonetheless I'd say a good 90% a motion should have an extra frame or two after where it is slowing to a stop.


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Response to 60 Frame Collab 5: 2013-02-11 16:40:23 Reply

At 2/11/13 04:17 PM, Jurgen wrote::

We still don't know what's even going on. There's some guy, or maybe a girl, on her knees and I think she's begging, then the other person standing up appears to have a whip...but then they just shake around a lot and nothing really happens.

So in terms of feedback, I'd say maybe you should try re-doing it, or at least a few of the shots, to try and better tell the audience what's going on.

The movements are quite fast and almost robotic-like, it's pretty displeasing to the eye. For example, when the person on their knees is shaking their head, they do it way too quickly. Smoothen it out a bit, and have an extra frame on the end of each direction where the head only moves a small amount before shaking the other way, if that makes sense. It'll make it look more lifelike and realistic. Motion doesn't just stop dead like that, it always will slow to a stop, faster motion means a quicker stop, but nonetheless I'd say a good 90% a motion should have an extra frame or two after where it is slowing to a stop.

I agree with Jurgen. It's more like you've put in the extremes of the animation and put in barely enough inbetween frames. You need to connect the extreme frames of the animation well enough to create that crucial illusion of life, otherwise it just looks like flashing images, which is highly displeasing to the viewer. So I'd do what Jurgen has suggested and add in extra frames to better convey the actions that are occurring onscreen which will give the characters a more human-like movement.

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Response to 60 Frame Collab 5: 2013-02-11 17:04:09 Reply

Thanks for the feedback I will see what I can do!

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Response to 60 Frame Collab 5: 2013-02-12 01:40:23 Reply

At 2/11/13 04:17 PM, Jurgen wrote:
At 2/11/13 02:04 PM, A-Genius wrote: Any feedbacks? Please
We still don't know what's even going on. There's some guy, or maybe a girl, on her knees and I think she's begging, then the other person standing up appears to have a whip...but then they just shake around a lot and nothing really happens.

So in terms of feedback, I'd say maybe you should try re-doing it, or at least a few of the shots, to try and better tell the audience what's going on.

The movements are quite fast and almost robotic-like, it's pretty displeasing to the eye. For example, when the person on their knees is shaking their head, they do it way too quickly. Smoothen it out a bit, and have an extra frame on the end of each direction where the head only moves a small amount before shaking the other way, if that makes sense. It'll make it look more lifelike and realistic. Motion doesn't just stop dead like that, it always will slow to a stop, faster motion means a quicker stop, but nonetheless I'd say a good 90% a motion should have an extra frame or two after where it is slowing to a stop.

I think it got 73 frame now where should I cut the extra frames?!

http://www.newgrounds.com/dump/item/c68125322bc491329410fa14 c2ac6aab

It's hard to work with frame by frame. X_X

I don't really know where you think it looks like a robotic-like too! Do can't you be more specific on which area to work it!

( I know things aren't clear right now but after I add the backgrounds and other stuff)

I think the spit doesn't look very well, any links or something that may help?

These problems just gets in my way ! I want to finish this Q_Q! It driving me nuts !

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Response to 60 Frame Collab 5: 2013-02-12 04:55:29 Reply

At 2/12/13 01:40 AM, A-Genius wrote:

Right, it's when the person on the left is moving forward against the rope, it doesn't look...human. Like, it is moving too quickly and the movements are stiff, not just slowly stopping to a certain point, but instead instant stops that look too calculated and robotic. Another is the actual spitting thing itself and the boot, they don't look right as they are being done too quickly, if anything you need MORE frames, so I can see how this part could be causing problems.

To be honest, I think you are trying to do too many actions in your animation, which results in your movements being too quick and robotic looking. I would suggest simply redoing it.

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Response to 60 Frame Collab 5: 2013-02-12 21:28:13 Reply

Probably the worse animation in the whole collab but I wanted to post something before the deadline. Better something than nothing, if it isn't picked no biggy, I undestand :)
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Response to 60 Frame Collab 5: 2013-02-14 17:41:54 Reply

I hope I'm not too late, I've not been part of a collab before - and to be honest I've hardly used flash all that much before - but I have made a part because the idea of creating something in 60 frames seemed to be a really good challenge for me! - Would I still be able to join?

I have finished my part already, I hope it's acceptable!

My SWF
My FLA (It's in CS3 so shall be compatible with CS4!)
And my Icon!

I hope that's okay. Also would I be able to make another part next week? - I know it's getting to the end, but I had a lot of fun animating for this!

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Response to 60 Frame Collab 5: 2013-02-14 17:49:00 Reply

At 2/14/13 05:41 PM, TheCatCalledFish wrote: I hope I'm not too late, I've not been part of a collab before - and to be honest I've hardly used flash all that much before - but I have made a part because the idea of creating something in 60 frames seemed to be a really good challenge for me! - Would I still be able to join?

I have finished my part already, I hope it's acceptable!

My SWF
My FLA (It's in CS3 so shall be compatible with CS4!)
And my Icon!

I hope that's okay. Also would I be able to make another part next week? - I know it's getting to the end, but I had a lot of fun animating for this!

Sorry about those dead links! - I made a little change - here are the new ones!

SWF
FLA
ICON

Thankyou!

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Response to 60 Frame Collab 5: 2013-02-15 07:25:07 Reply

At 2/5/13 01:20 PM, Max-Vador wrote: did you get a menu or someone to make it yet zee?

Yeah Halvgoeden has created the pre loader and menu buttons. But i still need someone to help me to create the extra section. Which i want to be structured like these pictures bellow

PIC 1/ PIC 2 / PIC 3

Anybody that can help me will be my best friend :]

At 2/10/13 07:35 PM, KidneyJohn wrote: Here's the CS4 version
http://www.newgrounds.com/dump/item/8b9ce27a8350fe38cf0f0459 b2dc2c50

Your part is nice and simple but it looks awesome. Nice job.

At 2/11/13 02:04 PM, A-Genius wrote: Any feedbacks? Please

You are just trying to say way to much. To solve the robotic ness try drawing more a frame inbetween each frame to make the motion smoother. Yip frame by frame is a bieeatch but the way i started is animating simple stuff like bouncing balls putting all the focus on squash and stretch and the fluid motions. Get the basics right first.
KISS keep it simple stupid (no offense its just a saying)

At 2/12/13 09:28 PM, Mabelma wrote: Probably the worse animation in the whole collab but I wanted to post something before the deadline. Better something than nothing, if it isn't picked no biggy, I undestand :)

could i recommend slowing down the movement of the platypus creature and have more random bubbles. And lastly no sound clips allowed, so please remove it.

At 2/13/13 06:53 AM, MetalBooster wrote: As you can see I have changed my avatar.

this is your second time changing your avatar, please don't change it again because i have to keep changing it in the menu. Its a mission :[

ALso,I was thinking,if I could submit another movie in which a Mercedes is speeding and hits a hotdog stand and the mustar and ketchup on it spill on the screen to spell 'LOL'

Try it out but i need quality more than funny...

At 2/14/13 05:41 PM, TheCatCalledFish wrote:

Would I still be able to join?
Yeah sure, welcome to the world wide collab, but beware you will most likely become a collab junky after this. Out of curiosity What program you use instead of Flash?

I have finished my part already, I hope it's acceptable!

Very well organized and everything looks great but the one thing i dont like is the way you cropped the animation, could I ask you to remove that boarder and maybe enlarge the animation to fill the screen because their are alot of subtle effects that get lost with the character being so small.

I hope that's okay. Also would I be able to make another part next week? - I know it's getting to the end, but I had a lot of fun animating for this!

I had a lot of fun watching this, it was hilarious! So YES please make more :]

Glad to see some new comers to the collab and others giving great feedback jurgen, macdonaldfin, Max-Vador to name a few. Keep it up and i will check in again on the 22nd feb, I still dont have my internet setup :[ so will check in as soon as i can. Keep posting updates and I still need more great parts.


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Response to 60 Frame Collab 5: 2013-02-15 11:15:47 Reply

well Zee you're probably going to have to program the entire collab in one large array and convert all the graphics of our parts into movieclips. this is gonna make it hard to play the entire collab in one go if someone chooses to watch it that way. either way that much programming is a bit beyond me.

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Response to 60 Frame Collab 5: 2013-02-15 12:26:07 Reply


At 2/14/13 05:41 PM, TheCatCalledFish wrote:
Would I still be able to join?
Yeah sure, welcome to the world wide collab, but beware you will most likely become a collab junky after this. Out of curiosity What program you use instead of Flash?

I have finished my part already, I hope it's acceptable!
Very well organized and everything looks great but the one thing i dont like is the way you cropped the animation, could I ask you to remove that boarder and maybe enlarge the animation to fill the screen because their are alot of subtle effects that get lost with the character being so small.

I hope that's okay. Also would I be able to make another part next week? - I know it's getting to the end, but I had a lot of fun animating for this!
I had a lot of fun watching this, it was hilarious! So YES please make more :]

I don't use any other program than flash - I haven't animated that much - I tried cropping but I can't very much to any great degree without losing something that ends up being cut off - like when the head rolls, it would roll out of shot, and if i move it lower or higher it sacrifices headspace - sorry about that - but I shall bare this in mind when I make my second part! - thanks Zeebra!

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Response to 60 Frame Collab 5: 2013-02-15 15:00:54 Reply

Icons?
I need to add an icon? :o

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Response to 60 Frame Collab 5: 2013-02-15 17:20:31 Reply

At 2/15/13 03:00 PM, Kuhki wrote: Icons?
I need to add an icon? :o

Yeah, everyone who is contributing is to make one, there's a template somewhere in this thread. However, just scroll up the page a bit to see other people who have recently made theirs to get an idea of what you've to make.

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Response to 60 Frame Collab 5: 2013-02-16 06:07:43 Reply

I don't want to study so I made two prototypes for the extras menu:

Prototype 1
Prototype 2

A couple of notes:
- Prototype 2 is based off the Comic-Con 2008 poster that Zeeb posted a while ago
- Only buttons 1 and 2 (top left and top middle) work because I couldn't be bothered making a bajillion movies
- If the extras section is going to be set at 480x350 resolution, the animations will have to be scaled down
- I haven't gotten around to making a transition for the pop-up overlay thing because I don't know how to do it with the current prototypes
- Made in CS5 with AS2

Procrastination FTW!

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Response to 60 Frame Collab 5: 2013-02-16 06:08:44 Reply

At 2/16/13 06:07 AM, ShinsukeIto wrote: I don't want to study so I made two prototypes for the extras menu:

Prototype 1
Prototype 2

A couple of notes:
- Prototype 2 is based off the Comic-Con 2008 poster that Zeeb posted a while ago
- Only buttons 1 and 2 (top left and top middle) work because I couldn't be bothered making a bajillion movies
- If the extras section is going to be set at 480x350 resolution, the animations will have to be scaled down
- I haven't gotten around to making a transition for the pop-up overlay thing because I don't know how to do it with the current prototypes
- Made in CS5 with AS2

Procrastination FTW!

Sorry for double post

Forgot to mention that the buttons behind are clickable through the overlay... trying to fix that

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Response to 60 Frame Collab 5: 2013-02-16 11:06:08 Reply

Fixed my part, I hope it's better now :)
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Response to 60 Frame Collab 5: 2013-02-16 18:10:10 Reply

I will split my animation into 4 parts ! each time I complete one I will submit it the final submission.

Before I color and give it a background to part one anything need smoothing out -need more frame-? specify the area!

I have decided to add more things to make more sense. Since, I can add more frames into each part. Here is the progress:

http://www.newgrounds.com/dump/item/73502ffe4c83d57a789ab87a 411d5e52

I AM JUST SO EXACTED TO MAKE MORE SMOOTHING ! XDDDDDDDDDDD

Note: The area where the guy point to the boot need smoothing out is that right?

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Response to 60 Frame Collab 5: 2013-02-16 18:37:03 Reply

At 2/16/13 06:10 PM, A-Genius wrote:

Ah, this looks MUCH better, certainly so with the person on the left. The only thing is that the waist of the guy to the right seems to...jump around a fair bit even though it should mostly be staying idle, perhaps a LITTLE of tilt whenever the torso moves in the same direction.

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Response to 60 Frame Collab 5: 2013-02-16 18:56:42 Reply

I'm still working on my second part. I don't have enough done to show my progress but It'll be done before the due date. It's another action sequence and I want to take my time and have fun making it. You'll see my progress soon.

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Response to 60 Frame Collab 5: 2013-02-16 19:02:33 Reply

At 2/16/13 06:37 PM, MacDonaldFin wrote:
At 2/16/13 06:10 PM, A-Genius wrote:
Ah, this looks MUCH better, certainly so with the person on the left. The only thing is that the waist of the guy to the right seems to...jump around a fair bit even though it should mostly be staying idle, perhaps a LITTLE of tilt whenever the torso moves in the same direction.

sure, I will give it a try!

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Response to 60 Frame Collab 5: 2013-02-20 13:23:46 Reply

Here's my progress so far. Here

The things I have to work on is adding more frames in the third movement of the guy with the blue hair. He comes to a weird stop near the end and the jump could use some work. Then shorten the leg length of my character in the beginning. If he stood up he'll be a giant lol. After that, I'll add environmental effects and I'll be done.

If there's an error I didn't point out, let me know and I'll fix it. I'm more than half-way done.

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Response to 60 Frame Collab 5: 2013-02-20 20:53:33 Reply

http://www.newgrounds.com/dump/item/9d28741b82f0e9f62666f627 43c13f26

I resumed where I left off more than a month ago and polished the animation a little more. I refined the movement (although the timing is still a bit of somewhere) and added COLOR. woah. I Coloring is a pain.

I also need to exaggerate some of the impacts/explosions more.


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Response to 60 Frame Collab 5: 2013-02-20 22:31:13 Reply

Here's my part as well: http://www.newgrounds.com/dump/item/5b194f4136642dc7ee9fd791 619fa57a
Everybody's parts are lookin good! :)

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Response to 60 Frame Collab 5: 2013-02-21 14:38:48 Reply

I am not sure if my other parts will be completed before the deadline, This is due to the fact that I will be away for a week tomorrow and will be back in 28th.

I have to complete all the parts tomorrow before I leave to the airport or I will miss the deadline!

I have colored my first part:

http://www.newgrounds.com/dump/item/450bb90c4e4914cefa868036 5cdcd4f2

If I couldn't give it some shades or complete the other parts I will send my .fla and my icon!

It is really a tough situation here.

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Response to 60 Frame Collab 5: 2013-02-21 17:47:46 Reply

Is there a project system for this collab? If so I'd like to be added as a contributor.

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Response to 60 Frame Collab 5: 2013-02-22 08:42:46 Reply

soooooooooo sorry
here's an update on my second part

been so busy with studies lately..

http://www.newgrounds.com/dump/item/704e0842a21f5d1562c6c754 aa322bb1