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Response to Obama should not be in power. 2012-10-12 21:41:43 Reply

At 10/12/12 09:22 PM, Slacker013 wrote:
We can't just turn our back on them and walk away cause they're the kind that will take advantage of that.

What the hell are you talking about.


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Response to Obama should not be in power. 2012-10-12 21:53:56 Reply

At 10/12/12 09:57 AM, leanlifter1 wrote:
You say apathy but that is not the right word at all as a choice to not vote took at leased as much thought but more than likely more than the choice to vote. Trust and as you say apathy are very different. There are many people who could give a dam about politics because they are to busy living and enjoying life and to you that is apathy which is a complete false statement. To loose trust in the system means one is actually thinking and using there brain functions therefore not voting is contrary to apathy.

Not voting because one loses trust in the system is a form of voter apathy.

:"a bunch of crazy gun toting pro military, religious, fascists turning out to vote to do there part to usher in the "fascist utopia".

Obama is a gun toting, pro military, religious nut? OK, he does love drone strikes, but he really, really hates what is in my gun cabinet.

I believe in the non-aggression principle as it is one that can not be argued against without admitting that you condone the initiation of violence. An eye for an eye leave's "US" all blind.

And.........if that fails?


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Response to Obama should not be in power. 2012-10-12 21:58:04 Reply

At 10/12/12 09:47 PM, Slacker013 wrote:
At 10/12/12 09:41 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:
What the hell are you talking about.
I'm talking about the war he promised to "bring our boys back" that you seem to have forgotten about even though that was your only reason to create this post...

Ending the war does not mean sending 30,000 more troops to the war.


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Response to Obama should not be in power. 2012-10-12 22:25:36 Reply

At 10/12/12 09:53 PM, TucoM wrote:
Not voting because one loses trust in the system is a form of voter apathy.

Apathy is a very inaccurate word to use as it does not reflect all non voters as most of the public is not able to vote for a varying array of causes such as but not limited to as you say potential voter indifference to politics and as well many others such as law, age, retarded mental function, incarceration, work, out of the country during voting period, health issues in general both mental and physical etc .....

I believe in the non-aggression principle as it is one that can not be argued against without admitting that you condone the initiation of violence. An eye for an eye leave's "US" all blind.
And.........if that fails?

Move to safe location it's very simple really meanwhile let the retards use there archaic primal part of the brain and there bullets until they kill each all other off "god willing". Then the people that are left over and that want to use there working and still in tact brains will be free to do so in relative peace after the rift raft wipe each other out by way of there ignorant and primal learned and indoctrinated EGOs, Pride, Hate, Greed, and Selfish 1 dimensional ideals that ultimately lead them to there own demise.


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Response to Obama should not be in power. 2012-10-12 22:27:58 Reply

At 10/12/12 10:15 PM, Slacker013 wrote:
Closure. What war is there? Truth is that we have troops everywhere... after ww2 we stopped allowing the world to do what it wants. We aren't at war but we are occupying a nation.

No we are still fully at war in the middle east. What you're referring to, is us having non-combat personnel and bases in peaceful nations.

Helicopter pilots are still getting shot down in Afghanistan, and bases are rocketed almost daily. The war is very much real, people are still dying.

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Response to Obama should not be in power. 2012-10-12 22:56:07 Reply

At 10/12/12 10:37 PM, Slacker013 wrote:
At 10/12/12 10:27 PM, LemonCrush wrote:
Helicopter pilots are still getting shot down in Afghanistan, and bases are rocketed almost daily. The war is very much real, people are still dying.
Okay then... if all that is happening what do you think would happen if we told our men to drop their post and report to a C-5 Galaxy for evacuation? You've lost more troops in a hour then the entire war! Falling back isn't easy, we've only had to do it once.

If the War Machine that is the US Military had orders to pull out they could do it in record time no problem. Remember the US Military are the aggressors so once they go away the Arabs will be just happy to have them the fuck out of there country and homes man. The Arabs will commence back to throwing rocks at each other meanwhile the Americans back on the home front will continuing eating there Mc cheese burgers and texting on there new iphone 5 and everything will be alright sorta well maybe not but it will be better than it was.


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Response to Obama should not be in power. 2012-10-12 23:08:20 Reply

At 10/12/12 10:37 PM, Slacker013 wrote:
Okay then... if all that is happening what do you think would happen if we told our men to drop their post and report to a C-5 Galaxy for evacuation? You've lost more troops in a hour then the entire war! Falling back isn't easy, we've only had to do it once.

This isn't the issue. You're saying the war isn't real. It is.

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Response to Obama should not be in power. 2012-10-12 23:15:49 Reply

At 10/12/12 11:11 PM, Slacker013 wrote:
At 10/12/12 10:56 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:
and everything will be alright sorta well maybe not but it will be better than it was.
We can only wish that it was that easy...

See the hard part was already done and over with 10 years ago mission accomplished which is to get the public behind another false war.


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Response to Obama should not be in power. 2012-10-12 23:19:55 Reply

At 10/12/12 10:25 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

:as well many others such as law,

?????

:age,

Let 3 year olds vote? LOL 18 is a decent compromise.

:retarded mental function,

I didn't know we disenfranchised "special" people.

:incarceration,

Too bad!

:work,

Most people who vote actually work.....they find the time.

:out of the country during voting period,

Absentee voting

:health issues in general both mental and physical etc .....

I'm sure we can do without really insane people voting.

Anyone who is eligible and really cares, will find a way to cast their ballot.

Move to safe location it's very simple really meanwhile let the retards use there archaic primal part of the brain and there bullets until they kill each all other off "god willing".

Unfortunately, that won't happen. Whoever wins will make the rules.


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Response to Obama should not be in power. 2012-10-12 23:26:13 Reply

At 10/12/12 11:20 PM, Slacker013 wrote:
At 10/12/12 11:15 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:
See the hard part was already done and over with 10 years ago mission accomplished which is to get the public behind another false war.
You can blame the Bush administration for that one...

No that's to easy not to mention the sole reason Bush was put into power. See I don't blame Bush I blame the mass public for being so gullible.


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Response to Obama should not be in power. 2012-10-12 23:39:53 Reply

At 10/12/12 11:20 PM, Slacker013 wrote:
At 10/12/12 11:15 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:
See the hard part was already done and over with 10 years ago mission accomplished which is to get the public behind another false war.
You can blame the Bush administration for that one...

Hi, Obama's been president for 4 years

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Response to Obama should not be in power. 2012-10-12 23:40:36 Reply

At 10/12/12 11:33 PM, Slacker013 wrote:
do you recall voting to go to war against Iraq?

I don't recall people ever "voting" to go to war however I do recall let it was yesterday people voting for some well known first black president that said he would bring the troops back home as his campaigning cornerstone rhetoric.
As I said people are to gullible here is proof.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr9ywEFRQkQ


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Response to Obama should not be in power. 2012-10-12 23:42:15 Reply

At 10/12/12 11:14 PM, Slacker013 wrote:
Define war?

In this context

war âEU' [wawr]
noun
1. a conflict carried on by force of arms, as between nations or between parties within a nation; warfare, as by land, sea, or air.
2. a state or period of armed hostility or active military operations: The two nations were at war with each other.
3. a contest carried on by force of arms, as in a series of battles or campaigns: the War of 1812.
4. active hostility or contention; conflict; contest: a war of words.

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Response to Obama should not be in power. 2012-10-12 23:54:26 Reply

At 10/12/12 11:46 PM, Slacker013 wrote:
At 10/12/12 11:39 PM, LemonCrush wrote:
Hi, Obama's been president for 4 years
And I hope he stays elected so we don't end up backing Israel in a war that will lead to WW3. Bush was president at the start and his family made a buck or 2 war profiteering... we've had chances to kill Bin Laden during his term in office but I think he was just stalling.

Obama is proof that the majority of the public or many of them are gullible.


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Response to Obama should not be in power. 2012-10-13 00:00:48 Reply

At 10/12/12 11:53 PM, Slacker013 wrote:
And the first 2 said exactly my point "between nations" we aren't at war with the nation of Afghanistan. Geneva code would agree as well as the people we are fighting.

What a weak stance and are you serious really.


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Response to Obama should not be in power. 2012-10-13 00:04:27 Reply

At 10/13/12 12:01 AM, Slacker013 wrote:
At 10/12/12 11:54 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:
Obama is proof that the majority of the public or many of them are gullible.
Have you ever watched the South Park episode where the kids were voting on a new mascot and they only could choose between a giant douche or a turd sandwich? That's kind of how things have been going down lately... I don't believe an independent is going to win the election. I sure as hell don't want Romney to win though... you talk about the end of a war then you can't wait till he is in office!

The point is that I have just irrefutably proven that politicians lie to you to get into wars and then they lie to you some more to stay in them.


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Response to Obama should not be in power. 2012-10-13 00:18:36 Reply

At 10/13/12 12:12 AM, Slacker013 wrote:
At 10/13/12 12:04 AM, leanlifter1 wrote:
The point is that I have just irrefutably proven that politicians lie to you to get into wars and then they lie to you some more to stay in them.
We're just gonna have to wait and see how this plays out. This could be it, the last deployment. If not, then you are 100% right about Obama and I wouldn't argue about it. He still has a little bit of this term to go so we can wait and see. Maybe they'll be back before Christmas. Elect Romney and we can say hello to Iran!

It's not justifiable as the War on Afghanistan is where it all started 10 years ago and officially it has ended but then what is the justification of this current war on Iraq and why would Obama bring the troops home from Iraq and "End the War" when he already did what he said he would do which was to end the war on Afghanistan. We seem to forget to fast.


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Response to Obama should not be in power. 2012-10-13 01:18:28 Reply

At 10/10/12 10:16 AM, leanlifter1 wrote: Why try and back up a lying war monger and Wall Street man heck he could be a murder and you would still justify his actions. People that have the ability to create solutions in society include engineers, tradesmen, architects, scientists, mathematicians, properly trained teachers & Philosophers, etc. Politics try and keep things archaic and subservient to the ruling monarchy.

Then why don't we elect an engineer, tradesman, architect, scientist, mathematician, properly trained teacher or philosophers?

At 10/10/12 12:01 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: That's not the point the point is you have a Dictator for a 4 year reign.

Republicans have voted against everything Obama has done or tried to do, moreso than with any other president. You're talking about dictatorship? Why don't you go criticize a president who was given the means to do whatever they wanted to? Namely Bush and his spying on the American people...

At 10/11/12 01:21 AM, Thecrazyman wrote: First thing he promised to bring troops back home was the first promise he broke, again this is one of the big reasons why our current President shouldn't be re-elected, broken promises bring corruption to one's inner self.

I'm not crazy about Obama myself, but I think singling him out for his lack to fulfill a promise is kind of a lame thing to pin on him. Maybe the fact that he allowed NDAA to pass would be something more solid to use against him, but I can't think of a single president that didn't break a promise.

At 10/12/12 07:04 PM, Warforger wrote: If you don't vote they don't have a reason to care about you, all they have to do is go after people who will.

That's really bad logic. Someone's going to win the election either way, you might as well pick the lesser of two evils. If you want to protest, do it with words. Inaction won't do shit.

At 10/12/12 09:22 PM, Slacker013 wrote: I remember my dad telling me someone I know is a part of the last regiment to be shipped off to Afghanistan but I just can't remember who it was. Try looking at the war on terror in a tactical point of view, backing out isn't as easy as its seem. We can't just turn our back on them and walk away cause they're the kind that will take advantage of that. Tell me how you'd do it, I want to know!

I think it would be irresponsible for us to just pull out of the war right now, given that we've totally screwed up most of the middle east. But if we did, I don't think there would be many consequences as far as terrorists attacking us. We haven't had very many terrorists trying to invade the US, plus the 9/11 attacks were planned. I guess it could fall into debate whether it was an inside job or not, but between the vanishing plane, the third building that went down, the news that reported the attacks before they happened, etc. I would say at the very least our government gave Al Qaeda the green light.

At 10/12/12 09:53 PM, TucoM wrote: Obama is a gun toting, pro military, religious nut? OK, he does love drone strikes, but he really, really hates what is in my gun cabinet.

Who knows what Obama thinks and wants, and who cares? Mitt Romney was in the middle back in the day, but he has to project a far right ideology to get votes. Similarly, Obama has to say or do whatever liberals will like. What he as a person has a problem with is inconsequential; his personal preferences will never be made clear to the public.


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Response to Obama should not be in power. 2012-10-13 08:53:20 Reply

At 10/12/12 08:09 PM, LemonCrush wrote:
At 10/12/12 07:47 PM, SenatorJohnDean wrote: To Everybody who doesn't like Obama in power: let's all go back to anarchy. You start.
The fuck are you talking about?

Apparently you people don't appreciate brevity. And I don't care.

All I see here are the same old "I hate everybody but I'm not going to actually DO anything so fuckit just close your eyes and vote" comments. BOOOORING.


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Response to Obama should not be in power. 2012-10-13 10:20:10 Reply

At 10/13/12 12:27 AM, Slacker013 wrote:

Sure we fought them and people died but they did more running then fighting.

This is not a fight it is a slaughter and I hope you realize that wars are not fought with courage and valor like the movies try and brainwash you into thinking on the contrary wars are won by machines and bombs dropped from many moons away in the comfort of an arm chair. When you say fight that means two willing opponents that both have an equal chance and if you think the Arabs have an equal chance than you are sadly mistaken.


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Response to Obama should not be in power. 2012-10-13 10:28:01 Reply

At 10/13/12 01:18 AM, Kwing wrote:
Then why don't we elect an engineer, tradesman, architect, scientist, mathematician, properly trained teacher or philosophers?

You seem to think we have a choice in the matter as voting citizens LOL.

Republicans have voted against everything Obama has done or tried to do, moreso than with any other president. You're talking about dictatorship? Why don't you go criticize a president who was given the means to do whatever they wanted to? Namely Bush and his spying on the American people...

There all to blame and there all the same man.


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Response to Obama should not be in power. 2012-10-13 13:30:57 Reply

At 10/13/12 12:01 AM, Slacker013 wrote:
At 10/12/12 11:54 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:
Obama is proof that the majority of the public or many of them are gullible.
Have you ever watched the South Park episode where the kids were voting on a new mascot and they only could choose between a giant douche or a turd sandwich? That's kind of how things have been going down lately... I don't believe an independent is going to win the election. I sure as hell don't want Romney to win though... you talk about the end of a war then you can't wait till he is in office!

Which speeches are you thinking of where Romney is doing any sabre rattling? Or at least more sabre rattling than Obama has?

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Response to Obama should not be in power. 2012-10-13 13:34:00 Reply

At 10/13/12 01:30 PM, LemonCrush wrote:
Which speeches are you thinking of where Romney is doing any sabre rattling? Or at least more sabre rattling than Obama has?

I don't know just what as you say "sabre rattling" is but perhaps you can exsplane your point in better detail.


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Response to Obama should not be in power. 2012-10-13 13:34:41 Reply

At 10/12/12 11:46 PM, Slacker013 wrote:
At 10/12/12 11:39 PM, LemonCrush wrote:
Hi, Obama's been president for 4 years
And I hope he stays elected so we don't end up backing Israel in a war that will lead to WW3. Bush was president at the start and his family made a buck or 2 war profiteering... we've had chances to kill Bin Laden during his term in office but I think he was just stalling.

Wait, wait, wait. Are you actually suggesting that Obama doesn't back Israel?! We have sent 12 billion dollars to them n Obama's term...are you on crack?

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Response to Obama should not be in power. 2012-10-13 13:36:36 Reply

At 10/13/12 01:34 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:
At 10/13/12 01:30 PM, LemonCrush wrote:
Which speeches are you thinking of where Romney is doing any sabre rattling? Or at least more sabre rattling than Obama has?
I don't know just what as you say "sabre rattling" is but perhaps you can exsplane your point in better detail.

It was suggested that Mitt Romney was somehow "pro-war". I'm wondering what speeches Romney has given that indicate a "pro-war" stance, and why he is thought of as more "pro-war" than Obama is.

How many drone strikes and assassinations has Mitt Romney authorized?

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Response to Obama should not be in power. 2012-10-13 13:37:47 Reply

At 10/12/12 11:53 PM, Slacker013 wrote:
And the first 2 said exactly my point "between nations" we aren't at war with the nation of Afghanistan. Geneva code would agree as well as the people we are fighting.

Actually number 1 says "parties within a nation".

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Response to Obama should not be in power. 2012-10-13 16:43:01 Reply

At 10/13/12 01:36 PM, LemonCrush wrote: It was suggested that Mitt Romney was somehow "pro-war". I'm wondering what speeches Romney has given that indicate a "pro-war" stance, and why he is thought of as more "pro-war" than Obama is.

How many drone strikes and assassinations has Mitt Romney authorized?

If you saw the convention he called ending the Iraq war a "mistake". He's also called Russia our greatest Geo-political foe and if you saw the VP debates Ryan keeps bringing up Russia obstructing sanctions on Iran (like Russia is alone on that). Obama on the other hand has just increased sanctions, despite what Ryan tried to say in the VP debates the sanctions are devastating Iran, their economy is tanking and they have something like 25% inflation. Now Obama has been more aggressive in negotiations with Iran than Bush was which Ryan referenced how he took options away from Iran in terms of negotiations but he's only proposed cuts to The Department of Defense while Romney has tried increasing Defense spending in his budget (which the Department of Defense has said it actually wants less money because it's running out of things to spend it on that it needs).


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Response to Obama should not be in power. 2012-10-13 20:59:01 Reply

At 10/13/12 08:33 PM, Slacker013 wrote:
At 10/13/12 01:34 PM, LemonCrush wrote:
Wait, wait, wait. Are you actually suggesting that Obama doesn't back Israel?! We have sent 12 billion dollars to them n Obama's term...are you on crack?
I'm suggesting that we don't elect someone who seems to have an invasion plan in mind...

WTF? Where has Mitt Romney mentioned anything about the US invading anything, or it's supporting it's allies invading someone?

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Response to Obama should not be in power. 2012-10-13 21:12:14 Reply

At 10/13/12 08:59 PM, LemonCrush wrote:
WTF? Where has Mitt Romney mentioned anything about the US invading anything, or it's supporting it's allies invading someone?

Obama did not have any plans to invade Iraq.


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Response to Obama should not be in power. 2012-10-13 22:04:12 Reply

At 10/13/12 09:12 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:
Obama did not have any plans to invade Iraq.

Nor did Mitt Romney.