How Much Does "freedom" Cost.

[leanlifter1]

What is the cost of freedom ?

[Feoric]

10 bucks

[leanlifter1]

At 10/9/12 06:50 PM, Feoric wrote: 10 bucks

LOL

[Warforger]

The destruction of all forms of governance.

[JoS]

At 10/9/12 06:55 PM, Warforger wrote: The destruction of all forms of governance.

Is absolute freedom really desirable?

Sure you are free from taxes, laws, regulations, but aren't those things that make life as we know it possible? Without laws, without courts, without the police, what is there stopping your bigger, stronger neighbour from taking your property, your wife or even your life? Without some form of government to create and enforce a social contract we resort to a state of nature, where life is nasty brutish and short.

Look at places like Somalia, no central government, no social contract. Should be a paradise.

My freedom should end when it encroaches on yours and vice verse. The trick is finding that balance.

[leanlifter1]

At 10/9/12 07:04 PM, JoS wrote:

Sure you are free from taxes, laws, regulations, but aren't those things that make life as we know it possible? Without laws, without courts, without the police, what is there stopping your bigger, stronger neighbour from taking your property, your wife or even your life? Without some form of government to create and enforce a social contract we resort to a state of nature, where life is nasty brutish and short.

I don't think anyone will disagree that to be Civilized means organization which means some basic control mechanisms are necessary however I draw the line when balanced organization starts to cross over into Subjugation. I think if you are American you should probably be more worried about your own government taking away more of your rights and property rather than another country.

[JoS]

At 10/9/12 07:13 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: I don't think anyone will disagree that to be Civilized means organization which means some basic control mechanisms are necessary however I draw the line when balanced organization starts to cross over into Subjugation. I think if you are American you should probably be more worried about your own government taking away more of your rights and property rather than another country.

I'm Canadian, just saying......

Don't like it, find somewhere else to live. Nothing is stopping you or anyone else who has a problem with the government of the country they live in from moving, with a few exceptions like North Korea.

[leanlifter1]

At 10/9/12 07:17 PM, JoS wrote:

I'm Canadian, just saying......

Don't like it, find somewhere else to live. Nothing is stopping you or anyone else who has a problem with the government of the country they live in from moving, with a few exceptions like North Korea.

Even us Canadians are not unmolested by cronyism with our neighbors to the south.

[RightWingGamer]

At 10/9/12 06:50 PM, Feoric wrote: 10 bucks

Buck O'Five.

[Mr-Shark]

Apparently it costs the blood of 100 000s of Muslims and blacks, orphan tears , and puppy tails.

[Dimitrilium]

A gun and some bullets. Plus the will to do whatever you want.

[leanlifter1]

At 10/12/12 11:04 PM, Dimitrilium wrote: A gun and some bullets. Plus the will to do whatever you want.

I would say that's an easy recipe for an 8x10 accommodation + 3 squares a day on the governments dollar for 25 to life.

[Dimitrilium]

At 10/12/12 11:12 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 10/12/12 11:04 PM, Dimitrilium wrote: A gun and some bullets. Plus the will to do whatever you want.

I would say that's an easy recipe for an 8x10 accommodation + 3 squares a day on the governments dollar for 25 to life.

Never said it would last forever.

[Iron-Hampster]

the cost of living.

[morefngdbs]

At 10/9/12 07:04 PM, JoS wrote:

At 10/9/12 06:55 PM, Warforger wrote: The destruction of all forms of governance.

Is absolute freedom really desirable?

it sure is !

Sure you are free from taxes, laws, regulations, but aren't those things that make life as we know it possible? Without laws, without courts, without the police, what is there stopping your bigger, stronger neighbour from taking your property, your wife or even your life? Without some form of government to create and enforce a social contract we resort to a state of nature, where life is nasty brutish and short.

;;;I've got no problem with laws that make some sense,
having tobacco legal
Alcohol legal & pot illeagal .... makes no sense.
It is proven every single week alcohol causes more problems than pot .
More marriages, assaults, are commited because of alcohol...so regualte it like alcohol & stop treating pot heads like crack & meth heads,,, there is NO DAMN comparison

If a crime isn't violent, I don't care if you steal bread on 10 different occassions, you don't deserve 3 strikes your out for petty crime, being a low risk person that is stupid & poor. is no reason for life in jail.

If my neighbor trys to come & take my wife (fiance actually) she's just as apt to shoot him as I am. Government needs to be responsible to the people not rule over the people. Elected officials should not have seporate laws & or no consequence for their actions. They, like police need to be held to a higher standard than the poor asshole that's swiped another loaf of bread !

While taxes are necessary for Government & a military, the Government should be forced to licve within the meas of the GDP to pay. No government should be allowed to go into debt. You can't balance the budget , you either take a complete pay cut & everyone in your administration lose their pay or get cut back until the budget balances .... INCENTIVE there is no incentive to stay within the budget .
Politicians should never be able to make a promise unless they can explain how they are going to pay for it.
IF elected on those promises they dshould be forced to follow their promises or lose office .
The system could be geared better.
Responsibility shouldn't just be a law abiding citizens responsibility, those whoare elected to do a job should have to do it or should be stripped of all responsibility & told they are done with any position in any level of Government ever.

Look at places like Somalia, no central government, no social contract. Should be a paradise.

If there wasn't such a thing as 'religion' it probably would be !

My freedom should end when it encroaches on yours and vice verse. The trick is finding that balance.

[Halberd]

MURRICA STRONG

WE GONNA FREEDOM THE FUCK OUT OF YOU

[BUTANE]

In 2010 the Cost of freedom was 683.7 billion dollars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_S tates