Teen murders sister and mother.

[Razz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBn1uQJq7L4

I'm not sure what to think of this, apparently the father was out of town and the son had been planning on "killing anybody for a long while." I've often been curious of criminal minds, reading and watching old cases and the like. They always have a motive, however small, something "clicks." This teenager just calmly picks up a gun, kills his family, and calls the police. Doesn't go for anyone else and turns himself in peacefully ... I just can't wrap my head around this one.

[HomicidialFrog]

At 10/6/12 06:50 AM, Razz wrote: I just can't wrap my head around this one.

Complete insanity? Anyway, my condolences to the father. I hate to be harsh and judgmental but the police should just put that kid down like a sick dog so he never hurts anyone else, IMO.

[Falonefal]

At 10/6/12 06:53 AM, HomicidialFrog wrote:

At 10/6/12 06:50 AM, Razz wrote: I just can't wrap my head around this one.

Complete insanity? Anyway, my condolences to the father. I hate to be harsh and judgmental but the police should just put that kid down like a sick dog so he never hurts anyone else, IMO.

Complete insanity? I don't know, according to general moral values yes, but I would rather classify this as anti-utopian.
Doing something like this isn't generally accepted, since we blindly believe life to be so important, but to someone like him life may have no value and it might seem like a completely normal action to just take it from someone.

[Razz]

At 10/6/12 07:12 AM, Falonefal wrote:

At 10/6/12 06:53 AM, HomicidialFrog wrote:

At 10/6/12 06:50 AM, Razz wrote: I just can't wrap my head around this one.

Complete insanity? Anyway, my condolences to the father. I hate to be harsh and judgmental but the police should just put that kid down like a sick dog so he never hurts anyone else, IMO.

Complete insanity? I don't know, according to general moral values yes, but I would rather classify this as anti-utopian.
Doing something like this isn't generally accepted, since we blindly believe life to be so important, but to someone like him life may have no value and it might seem like a completely normal action to just take it from someone.

I had considered tearing apart your post piece by piece, but I find it either absurd or laughable to do so. Statements such as "we blindly believe life to be so important" just make this post a work of art. A painting made of shit, if you will.

[HomicidialFrog]

At 10/6/12 07:17 AM, Razz wrote:

At 10/6/12 07:12 AM, Falonefal wrote:

At 10/6/12 06:53 AM, HomicidialFrog wrote:

At 10/6/12 06:50 AM, Razz wrote:

I had considered tearing apart your post piece by piece, but I find it either absurd or laughable to do so. Statements such as "we blindly believe life to be so important" just make this post a work of art. A painting made of shit, if you will.

He's far too cool, dark, deep and edgy for us mere simpleminded plebs to make fun of. One day, with a such a deep, open and complex view of the world he's bound to one day become the greatest philosopher the world has ever known!

Remember us when you get to the top, Falonefal!

[Lintire]

An article for people who likewise avoid YouTube videos.

I've contemplated acts like this too; apathetically killing people in cold blood for no real reason at all, certainly not out of misanthropy, maybe just because I can? Wanting to utterly dominate others, deciding wether they live or die, for no particular reason. Figure this kid has more severe sociopathic behaviour, and had access to a gun.

[mandog]

lol

[BumFodder]

At 10/6/12 07:53 AM, Lintire wrote: I've contemplated acts like this too; apathetically killing people in cold blood for no real reason at all, certainly not out of misanthropy, maybe just because I can? Wanting to utterly dominate others, deciding wether they live or die, for no particular reason.

Thats pretty sad and pathetic lol.

[Lintire]

At 10/6/12 08:17 AM, BumFodder wrote:

At 10/6/12 07:53 AM, Lintire wrote: I've contemplated acts like this too; apathetically killing people in cold blood for no real reason at all, certainly not out of misanthropy, maybe just because I can? Wanting to utterly dominate others, deciding wether they live or die, for no particular reason.

Thats pretty sad and pathetic lol.

Yeah, I did a double take after I posted that. A sort of "that was probably not the best thing to share" type deal. I read into the thing I linked and did a bunch of other reading and it's like huh, I'm a textbook sociopath.
Whatever I don't really give a shit. The whole fantasy thing comes with the territory, I guess.

[BumFodder]

At 10/6/12 08:27 AM, Lintire wrote: Yeah, I did a double take after I posted that. A sort of "that was probably not the best thing to share" type deal. I read into the thing I linked and did a bunch of other reading and it's like huh, I'm a textbook sociopath.
Whatever I don't really give a shit. The whole fantasy thing comes with the territory, I guess.

Everyone thinks something like that atleast once in their life, but actually going through with it is a different thing. Its still a stupid thing to think though.

[ICY-HURR]

I really wonder what they are thinking in their last moments too.

[T3XT]

At 10/6/12 06:53 AM, HomicidialFrog wrote: Complete insanity? Anyway, my condolences to the father. I hate to be harsh and judgmental but the police should just put that kid down like a sick dog so he never hurts anyone else, IMO.

I believe he's a minor, so they can't. The worst thing they can do is give him a very long sentence until he's 18.

[Silverdust]

I can't wait for someone to blame the parents for having a gun.

[Piggler]

What a nice lad.

[Silverdust]

At 10/6/12 12:23 PM, 24901miles wrote:

At 10/6/12 12:18 PM, Silverdust wrote: I can't wait for someone to blame the parents for having a gun.

You think it's OK for depressed and hormonal teenagers to have access to devices which are made to kill people?

Based on the information we know so far, this boy probably exhibited no evidence of any unusual thoughts. Moreover, there are no details on how difficult it was to obtain the weapon. Of course it should not have been within easy access, regardless of his mental condition (in my opinion). But, immediately finding fault in the household for having a weapon is nonsensical. Assuming they have the average modern kitchen, the suspect could have just as easily used a knife. Perhaps the parents should have kept all cooking appliances out of reach of a, to the best of their knowledge, normal 17 year old?

Your rhetorical straw-man assumes a position that could not have been taken prior to the two murders under the premise that the teen had no clear indication of being mentally questionable. Judging by his demeanor, this was probably the case.

[HipnikDragomir]

How ironic that the very weapon meant to defend from outsiders, is always used by a demented insider to kill their own.

[II2none]

He may be calm because he was coping with what he did before contacting the police. Anyway maybe therapy could've prevented this if someone was paying attention.

[Sensationalism]

People like that are scary. It'd be cool if there was a test in the womb to determine sociopaths and then they could be killed before birth. They are scary as shit, i'd hate to have a weird kid like that. I care so much about others, it'd be very weird. When I was a kid, I'd go save living struggling bugs from spiderwebs. But i'd make sure to leave all the dead bugs there and leave the webs intact. I wanted to save the bugs but I wanted the spiders to live and be able to eat too.

At 10/6/12 12:18 PM, Silverdust wrote: I can't wait for someone to blame the parents for having a gun.

Well it probably wasn't his gun. His dad should have had it LOCKED in a safe separate from the ammo. I love guns, but idiots who misuse them are the ones who give fuel for the anti gun people.
In this case I don't know how the gun was stored, but my point is you can't really point fingers at antigun people no more than they can do the same.

[DevinArcane]

At 10/6/12 07:17 AM, Razz wrote: I had considered tearing apart your post piece by piece, but I find it either absurd or laughable to do so. Statements such as "we blindly believe life to be so important" just make this post a work of art. A painting made of shit, if you will.

So are you saying we don't blindly believe life to be important or...?

[Sentio]

At 10/6/12 06:53 AM, HomicidialFrog wrote:

At 10/6/12 06:50 AM, Razz wrote: I just can't wrap my head around this one.

Complete insanity? Anyway, my condolences to the father. I hate to be harsh and judgmental but the police should just put that kid down like a sick dog so he never hurts anyone else, IMO.

I thought that was how American police usually acted... shoot first, ask questions later. From an outside perspective I often can't quite believe quite how readily cops take human life in the States, regardless of the crime committed. The justice system exists for a reason...

[TheKlown]

Sounds like he is unoriginal and copied Amityville Horror.

Next you know it, he'll be blaming that movie or saying his house told him to do it.

[ohbombuh]

At 10/6/12 01:01 PM, jjjkuk wrote: How ironic that the very weapon meant to defend from outsiders, is always used by a demented insider to kill their own.

If we didn't have guns, he'd have used a knife. If we didn't have knives, he'd have used a blunt object. If we didn't have blunt objects, he'd have just strangled them.

[TheKlown]

At 10/6/12 03:10 PM, ohbombuh wrote:

At 10/6/12 01:01 PM, jjjkuk wrote: How ironic that the very weapon meant to defend from outsiders, is always used by a demented insider to kill their own.

If we didn't have guns, he'd have used a knife. If we didn't have knives, he'd have used a blunt object. If we didn't have blunt objects, he'd have just strangled them.

While this is true, it always seem some scrawny looking kid ends up shooting people up. Something makes me think that with a knife, that someone can actually survive the attack and possibly beat the kid up or kill the kid in self-defense. You can't really kill or beat the shit out of someone with a gun, unless you have a gun too.

[HipnikDragomir]

At 10/6/12 03:10 PM, ohbombuh wrote: If we didn't have guns, he'd have used a knife. If we didn't have knives, he'd have used a blunt object. If we didn't have blunt objects, he'd have just strangled them.

Everything after the gun takes effort. It also sees so easy that people feel like they can man up to using it.

[ohbombuh]

At 10/6/12 03:12 PM, TheKlown wrote: While this is true, it always seem some scrawny looking kid ends up shooting people up. Something makes me think that with a knife, that someone can actually survive the attack and possibly beat the kid up or kill the kid in self-defense. You can't really kill or beat the shit out of someone with a gun, unless you have a gun too.

On the other hand, with no guns, the world would be run by Michael Myers and his ilk. But at least no weaklings would give us trouble.

[TheKlown]

Michael Myers isn't real, he is given like Superman powers in the movie. You stab him in the eyes and he is still able to see in the next movie. You shoot him in the eyes, he is still able to see in the next movie...

[ohbombuh]

At 10/6/12 04:14 PM, TheKlown wrote: Michael Myers isn't real, he is given like Superman powers in the movie. You stab him in the eyes and he is still able to see in the next movie. You shoot him in the eyes, he is still able to see in the next movie...

I know he's not real (and that the series is bad about believable continuity etc.), but he's the best example I could think of for an overpowered violent maniac.

[Sensationalism]

At 10/6/12 02:33 PM, ScaryPicnic wrote:

At 10/6/12 01:33 PM, Sensationalism wrote: It'd be cool if there was a test in the womb to determine sociopaths and then they could be killed before birth.

what am i reading even

They do that with other problems that can be detected. Not that I expect this to ever be detected but it'd be sweet. Everyone would be safer.
Or are you implying that anyone for abortion is a psychopath?

[Sensationalism]

At 10/6/12 05:04 PM, ScaryPicnic wrote:

At 10/6/12 05:00 PM, Sensationalism wrote: They do that with other problems that can be detected. Not that I expect this to ever be detected but it'd be sweet. Everyone would be safer.

i hope you understand that people aren't just born "psychopaths" like it is some disorder

its almost entirely based upon the upbringing, social environment + events in early life

you cannot possibly tell if somebody is going to be a murderer in the womb; we are all potential "psychopaths"

*facepalm*
You realize people can wish for impossible things, right?
I also wish I could sit on top of a rainbow even though rainbows aren't solid blah blah blah. ohmagoshNG.

[Silverdust]

At 10/6/12 01:43 PM, 24901miles wrote: It's impossible to rid the world of guns, ending all gun violence.

I'm not sure what the purpose of this was, unless you were making a broad point and not responding to something in my post.

At 10/6/12 01:43 PM, 24901miles wrote: The blame absolutely lies on the shoulders of the father, both for owning a gun, and for allowing his 17-year-old son access to it.

The full background of this family is not known, so I cannot see how you could possibly blame the father. The reality is, most teenagers his age do not shoot their parents for the hell of it. Seventeen is a reasonably mature age, and I can understand the lack of foresight, even if the weapon was laying on the living room couch. I would not blame the father for this crime if he allowed his son access (although, I would question his responsibility) - and I certainly do not pin this situation on a gun that was purchased for self-defense and/or hunting. Most people do not suspect their own children, especially ones who are nearly adults, to pull a gun on them.

For some reason, it seems as if accusations with cases such as this fly all over the place, yet few of them are directed at the alleged murderer. Questioning the father is reasonable, but far too many people jump to blame the tool used. Of course, this is a new case, and no one has the full story as of yet.