Teacher needs to be fired

[TheKlown]

This teacher deserves to lose their job.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/teacher-ridicules-student-romn ey-t-155305823.html

Sick of this crap, we shouldn't let bad teacher harass students like this. [B]Teachers are suppose to be adults, so why don't they start acting like Adults? [/B]

[leanlifter1]

At 10/6/12 12:46 AM, TheKlown wrote: This teacher deserves to lose their job.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/teacher-ridicules-student-romn ey-t-155305823.html

Sick of this crap, we shouldn't let bad teacher harass students like this. [B]Teachers are suppose to be adults, so why don't they start acting like Adults? [/B]

Good for the Teacher as Romney is a dumb ass and even worse he is an extremely dangerous idiot with extremely Fascists beliefs. That teacher most likly understand allot more than you and that teacher had good reason to scold and inform that child about why Romney is a dangerous man to freedom as we know it.

[BloodPact]

At 10/6/12 01:30 AM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 10/6/12 12:46 AM, TheKlown wrote: This teacher deserves to lose their job.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/teacher-ridicules-student-romn ey-t-155305823.html

Sick of this crap, we shouldn't let bad teacher harass students like this. [B]Teachers are suppose to be adults, so why don't they start acting like Adults? [/B]

Good for the Teacher as Romney is a dumb ass and even worse he is an extremely dangerous idiot with extremely Fascists beliefs. That teacher most likly understand allot more than you and that teacher had good reason to scold and inform that child about why Romney is a dangerous man to freedom as we know it.

And I suppose you would have handled it well if a teacher made fun of your beliefs? If she had been wearing an Obama shirt, she probably would have been praised by the teacher and maybe gotten an A on her report card too. If that teacher had done what he did to her if she was wearing an Obama shirt, ACLU would step in a he'd be labeled a racist, and probably blacklisted from ever teaching again. Yet it's okay to criticize the right and not expect backlash? Oh, that's right, the media will cover for him, no worries.

[Korriken]

At 10/6/12 01:30 AM, leanlifter1 wrote:

Good for the Teacher as Romney is a dumb ass and even worse he is an extremely dangerous idiot with extremely Fascists beliefs. That teacher most likly understand allot more than you and that teacher had good reason to scold and inform that child about why Romney is a dangerous man to freedom as we know it.

General Forum is that way
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this is the grownups side of the pool.

[leanlifter1]

At 10/6/12 02:11 AM, Korriken wrote:

General Forum is that way

this is the grownups side of the pool.

Keep drinking the koolaid my friend.

[Pride]

At 10/6/12 01:30 AM, leanlifter1 wrote: Good for the Teacher as Romney............ extremely Fascists beliefs.

You've not made the case for such an argument nor have you provided any relevant details to support such a claim. Don't be glib.

The idea that somehow people whose viewpoints "are contrary to your own" are somehow not worth engaging and should be ridiculed is quite misguided. This teacher was not being paid to promote political ideology, her duty was to teach students a high-school curriculum. Whether the student was wearing an Obama or Romney shirt, the teacher had no right to make fun of the student or assert that the student was a fool for her political beliefs. Regrettably, there are people out there like this and one of them even tried to harm a family member of mine recently because of something so trivial as a political bumper-sticker (a non-offensive one, I might add). Unfortunately it seems this election is stirring up a lot of pent up emotions in some people and a situation like this doesn't surprise me.

Hopefully this teacher will be relieved of her duties.

[leanlifter1]

At 10/6/12 02:05 AM, BloodPact wrote:

And I suppose you would have handled it well if a teacher made fun of your beliefs? If she had been wearing an Obama shirt, she probably would have been praised by the teacher and maybe gotten an A on her report card too. If that teacher had done what he did to her if she was wearing an Obama shirt, ACLU would step in a he'd be labeled a racist, and probably blacklisted from ever teaching again. Yet it's okay to criticize the right and not expect backlash? Oh, that's right, the media will cover for him, no worries.

I would have used my Semantics and rhetoric to make the teacher look like a real fool only in this case if I was a student in that classroom I would have agreed with the Teacher and in fact I would have stepped in and took the heat for the teacher and ridiculed that student for being so retarded as to wear a dumb shirt with the picture or a archaic wrinkled old man with on it.

[leanlifter1]

At 10/6/12 02:48 AM, Pride wrote:

You've not made the case for such an argument nor have you provided any relevant details to support such a claim. Don't be glib.

The idea that somehow people whose viewpoints "are contrary to your own" are somehow not worth engaging and should be ridiculed is quite misguided. This teacher was not being paid to promote political ideology, her duty was to teach students a high-school curriculum. Whether the student was wearing an Obama or Romney shirt, the teacher had no right to make fun of the student or assert that the student was a fool for her political beliefs. Regrettably, there are people out there like this and one of them even tried to harm a family member of mine recently because of something so trivial as a political bumper-sticker (a non-offensive one, I might add). Unfortunately it seems this election is stirring up a lot of pent up emotions in some people and a situation like this doesn't surprise me.

Read my post called "What is Fascism ?" in the thread "13 key signifiers of Fascism." More specifically to this instance read and watch the subsection "- Religion and ruling elite tied together at the hip" as this will explain in detail my exact position on the dangers that Romney presents to your freedoms that you still have or rather the ones that Bush and Obama have not taken away yet by way of directly violating and stripping your constitutional rights.

[Pride]

At 10/6/12 02:58 AM, leanlifter1 wrote: Read my post called "What is Fascism ?" in the thread "13 key signifiers of Fascism." More specifically to this instance read and watch the subsection "- Religion and ruling elite tied together at the hip" as this will explain in detail my exact position on the dangers that Romney presents to your freedoms that you still have or rather the ones that Bush and Obama have not taken away yet by way of directly violating and stripping your constitutional rights.

The only thing I would add is that once again I fail to see any point or conclusive evidence to establish such an argument. Obama and Romney are both religious, both have presences in the media, and neither have yet to advocate for a Fascist system. These are facts.

The argument being made in this thread was that it is not the high-school teacher's place to be humiliating a student for expressing a different political viewpoint nor was it right for her to use hate to validate her opinion. Likening the KKK to the Republican Party is obviously an extremely offensive analogy and it should be relatively obvious that it is extremely inappropriate. If you believe contrary, then I am worried.

[leanlifter1]

At 10/6/12 03:24 AM, Pride wrote:

The argument being made in this thread was that it is not the high-school teacher's place to be humiliating a student for expressing a different political viewpoint nor was it right for her to use hate to validate her opinion. Likening the KKK to the Republican Party is obviously an extremely offensive analogy and it should be relatively obvious that it is extremely inappropriate. If you believe contrary, then I am worried.

You just displayed extreme "StrawMan" tactics just like a true fascist rendering you post irrelevant in invalid. Obama and Romney both display textbook theistic fascist traits.

[aviewaskewed]

Ok...just going to step round some of the cow flop here, and get back to the main issue:

This is appalling. Full disclosure? The Romney/Ryan ticket is not something I support in anyway, shape, or form. They are totally against my beliefs, and it makes me almost ill when I see people supporting it. That being said, that's MY reaction. That's MY hang up, and I need to deal with it. Either through statement of such like I just did, shutting up, or just the simple action I will take in not voting for them.

What it is NOT ok for me to do, is use any sort of position of trust or power I may hold (and I can't think of much of such a position I have outside of maybe this site) to bash, harass, or force others to conform to my views. What this teacher did is beyond shameful, inappropriate, unprofessional, and a gross violation of the trust placed in her. If even HALF of what has been alleged is true, then yes, she does need to be fired and never allowed back into a classroom. I can't see where in any way that shirt would violated any reasonable or sane school dress code, so there's absolutely no reason to say a word about it just because it gives the teacher some personal offense. Dismissal, absofuckinlutely.

[TheKlown]

At 10/6/12 04:13 AM, 24901miles wrote: The teacher doesn't need to be fired over this. Although she will lose her job if Romney wins this election, after he slashes the education budget.

I hope she is the first one who loses her job then. Get rid of the idiots who don't deserve to be teachers, and leave the good teachers.

[leanlifter1]

At 10/6/12 04:12 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: Ok...just going to step round some of the cow flop here, and get back to the main issue:

This is appalling. Full disclosure? The Romney/Ryan ticket is not something I support in anyway, shape, or form. They are totally against my beliefs, and it makes me almost ill when I see people supporting it. That being said, that's MY reaction. That's MY hang up, and I need to deal with it. Either through statement of such like I just did, shutting up, or just the simple action I will take in not voting for them.

What it is NOT ok for me to do, is use any sort of position of trust or power I may hold (and I can't think of much of such a position I have outside of maybe this site) to bash, harass, or force others to conform to my views. What this teacher did is beyond shameful, inappropriate, unprofessional, and a gross violation of the trust placed in her. If even HALF of what has been alleged is true, then yes, she does need to be fired and never allowed back into a classroom. I can't see where in any way that shirt would violated any reasonable or sane school dress code, so there's absolutely no reason to say a word about it just because it gives the teacher some personal offense. Dismissal, absofuckinlutely.

WHat is painful is how quick and easy some people are to believe and eat up some propaganda from a mainstream news network on an issue that in reality may or may not have actually taken place and the actual underling circumstances that were involved again if any.

[leanlifter1]

At 10/6/12 05:19 AM, 24901miles wrote:

At 10/6/12 04:39 AM, TheKlown wrote:

At 10/6/12 04:13 AM, 24901miles wrote: The teacher doesn't need to be fired over this. Although she will lose her job if Romney wins this election, after he slashes the education budget.

I hope she is the first one who loses her job then. Get rid of the idiots who don't deserve to be teachers, and leave the good teachers.

Teaching is a highly specialized field, good luck convincing any competent Principal that she/he should ruin a teacher's life because that teacher had an emotional response to someone's political T-Shirt during campaign season. I believe the only reason a Principal would fire a teacher is overwhelming pressure from the community or broken guidelines. There's a real reason the teacher's name isn't printed on these press releases and news stories.

Both of my parents are teachers, and they have to go through strict background checks and testing, take new classes, and verify all sorts of information throughout the year. The pressure from the Government, the DOE, the Faculty, and their students is often overwhelming, and they have no energy left to do anything when they get home. I can absolutely sympathize with a teacher losing her cool during class when something like this happens, especially if the student in question is a troublemaker.

The best teachers that I have ever had were the ones that would loose their cool every now and again because at leased then you know they are human but you know what they were always justified and they always had a point they were making to "Teach" a real life lesson with real human emotion and consequence. It's ridiculous for a teacher to be reprimanded for teaching even if a little bit of god forbid "Emotion" was in the air. That kid should not have been wearing that shirt and her parents should be held accountable because you know for a fact they are the ones whom brainwashed there child into supporting a specific "Politician". Did the kid know her teacher did not support Romney before the incident ? Do we actually know the gravity of the situation ? Could this be some sick campaigning PR for Romney ? If I was a teacher and a kid walked into my classroom brandishing any controversial attire I would have gave the student a piece of my and sent her to the Principles office as well.

[leanlifter1]

At 10/6/12 10:14 AM, 24901miles wrote:

At 10/6/12 08:00 AM, leanlifter1 wrote: That kid should not have been wearing that shirt and her parents should be held accountable because you know for a fact they are the ones whom brainwashed there child into supporting a specific "Politician".

You don't know that at all. That could be the dumbest thing you've written.

Please think yourself through before posting that sort of nonsense.

You know for a fact her whole family was sitting around the idiot box or rather TV soaking up all the propaganda and rhetoric possible from there favorite puppet. Out of the whole comment that's all you pulled from it is ": You don't know that at all" and called me a name LOL sure bud come again without the use of personal attacks otherwise don't even bother. YOU don't know just as much as I DON'T know what really went on and we are bickering over unsubstantiated sensationalized news rhetoric so lets leave it at that :-)

[Memorize]

At 10/6/12 07:46 AM, leanlifter1 wrote:

WHat is painful is how quick and easy some people are to believe and eat up some propaganda from a mainstream news network on an issue that in reality may or may not have actually taken place and the actual underling circumstances that were involved again if any.

Lol, the shear irony in that statement.

It's always funny when Barack "Bush 3rd term" Obama's supporters actually think he's any different than Romney when all they have to do is a simple review of his record to realize he's almost identical.

Who voted to bail out the banks and auto industry like Bush did? Obama
Who passed a stimulus bill in an attempt to "revive" the economy like Bush did? Obama
Who extended the patriot act that Bush signed into law? Obama
Who expanded the wars in the middle east started by Bush (well, Clinton really)? Obama
Who increased drone strikes into Pakistan that Bush started? Obama

You talk about how stupid the kid is for wearing a Romney shirt in class... you might want to look in the mirror you useless, little dipshit.

[leanlifter1]

At 10/6/12 10:39 AM, Memorize wrote:

At 10/6/12 07:46 AM, leanlifter1 wrote:

WHat is painful is how quick and easy some people are to believe and eat up some propaganda from a mainstream news network on an issue that in reality may or may not have actually taken place and the actual underling circumstances that were involved again if any.

Lol, the shear irony in that statement.

It's always funny when Barack "Bush 3rd term" Obama's supporters actually think he's any different than Romney when all they have to do is a simple review of his record to realize he's almost identical.

Who voted to bail out the banks and auto industry like Bush did? Obama
Who passed a stimulus bill in an attempt to "revive" the economy like Bush did? Obama
Who extended the patriot act that Bush signed into law? Obama
Who expanded the wars in the middle east started by Bush (well, Clinton really)? Obama
Who increased drone strikes into Pakistan that Bush started? Obama

You talk about how stupid the kid is for wearing a Romney shirt in class... you might want to look in the mirror you useless, little dipshit.

What are you on about LOL I literally advocate neither Romney, Obamney and defiantly never advocated Bush for day one in any way shape or form. I also agree that it's as they say "Business as usual" and that as you say the similarities between candidates far out way the trivial differences. Know who you are talking to before popping off next time please :-)

[leanlifter1]

At 10/6/12 12:09 PM, 24901miles wrote:

Worst nutcase on the video game website's political subforum, 2012.

Ad hominem attacking - is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or unrelated belief of the person supporting it. AKA a "Logical Fallacy"

If you want to debate do so in an intelligent manor however all you have accomplished here is name calling which I might add was not called for and not even close to being anything based on fact.

[Memorize]

At 10/6/12 10:58 AM, leanlifter1 wrote:

What are you on about LOL I literally advocate neither Romney, Obamney and defiantly never advocated Bush for day one in any way shape or form. I also agree that it's as they say "Business as usual" and that as you say the similarities between candidates far out way the trivial differences. Know who you are talking to before popping off next time please :-)

Oh, I know who you are.

You're what I call a fake "lefty". Someone who pretends to care about certain issues, but when push comes to shove, we all know who you'll pull the lever for.

It amuses me how you talk about fascism, only to run around demanding people not wear certain things because it "offends" you.

Dumbass.

[Entice]

At 10/6/12 12:53 PM, Memorize wrote: You're what I call a fake "lefty". Someone who pretends to care about certain issues, but when push comes to shove, we all know who you'll pull the lever for.

Nothing that he said suggested that.

It amuses me how you talk about fascism, only to run around demanding people not wear certain things because it "offends" you.

I'm offended that leftists are being compared to this idiot.

[leanlifter1]

At 10/6/12 12:53 PM, Memorize wrote:

Oh, I know who you are.

Really do you ?

You're what I call a fake "lefty". Someone who pretends to care about certain issues, but when push comes to shove, we all know who you'll pull the lever for.

I am not a label "left" or "right" I am a Human Being and one that does not support politics and or voting heck I haven't even payed taxes since the war on Afghanistan began years ago.

It amuses me how you talk about fascism, only to run around demanding people not wear certain things because it "offends" you.

IMO the classroom should be a place of learning where it is comfortable & relaxed environment for all students and teachers as well Opinions, Egos, and questionable attire should be checked at the door for the benefit and comfort of all students and teachers. How is advocating a neutral, safe, and balanced learning environment to be considered fascist ?

Dumbass.

Ad hominem attack = irrelevant and signifies you may have personal issues you need to take care of. May Peace be onto my brother :-)

[leanlifter1]

At 10/6/12 01:11 PM, 24901miles wrote: No.

Lean Lifter, I have an interest in the subject and the facts of the matter. I have no interest in reading the typo-ridden verbal dribble of a hypocrital thinker who makes extreme judgements without any information. Either shape up your game or get off the court.

So attacking the person and there typos in your eyes makes there message erroneous or irrelevant LOL ok. Hey speaking of typos you misspelled hypocritical so by way of virtue as the age old adage goes "Practice what you preach" renders your own message one of as you said "typo-ridden verbal dribble". I suggest you add something valuable or at least enlightening to this topic or any other or just don't bother posting please if all you do is attack people that you disagree with on really what amounts to trivial matters of opinion :-)

[leanlifter1]

At 10/6/12 03:54 PM, RightWingGamer wrote:

At 10/6/12 05:19 AM, 24901miles wrote: Teaching is a highly specialized field, good luck convincing any competent Principal that she/he should ruin a teacher's life because that teacher had an emotional response to someone's political T-Shirt during campaign season.

So screaming at her, intimidating her, manhandling her, encouraging other students to bully her, and trying to scribble on the shirt are all fine?

This bitch should be imprisoned for assault, firing is only the first logical step.

Lets just say we don't even begin to understand or even really know the actual circumstances and leave it at that.

[TheKlown]

More of the story.

The exchange led to critical comments from both classmates and the janitor. Now, PawlucyâEUTMs parents are outraged and calling for the teacherâEUTMs dismissal. While sheâEUTMs been taken out of the classroom temporarily, they say they want her removal to be permanent.

The teacher ordered her to strip in the middle of class. When she refused, the teacher began drawing on her with a red marker then shouting that was a democrat school. Says shirt is racist, equates it to KKK, tells her to strip

"She told me to take off my shirt and said that she has another one if I need one. And then the teacher asked meâEU¦ 'are your parents Republican?' I said, 'I don't know.' She said that's like her wearing a KKK shirt," Pawlucy explained

I think this girl must guy to a crackhead school or something, the teacher drew Marker on her and told the classmates to harass her? Wow, this is ridiculous. The Janitor should also be fired if it's true he was acting like a child.

[TucoM]

At 10/6/12 01:30 AM, leanlifter1 wrote: Good for the Teacher as Romney is a dumb ass and even worse he is an extremely dangerous idiot with extremely Fascists beliefs. That teacher most likly understand allot more than you and that teacher had good reason to scold and inform that child about why Romney is a dangerous man to freedom as we know it.

So, you advocate government employees in positions of authority to indoctrinate our students. North Korea can use someone like you.

[TheMason]

At 10/6/12 03:38 AM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 10/6/12 03:24 AM, Pride wrote:

The argument being made in this thread was that it is not the high-school teacher's place to be humiliating a student for expressing a different political viewpoint nor was it right for her to use hate to validate her opinion. Likening the KKK to the Republican Party is obviously an extremely offensive analogy and it should be relatively obvious that it is extremely inappropriate. If you believe contrary, then I am worried.

You just displayed extreme "StrawMan" tactics just like a true fascist rendering you post irrelevant in invalid. Obama and Romney both display textbook theistic fascist traits.

@ The rest of the NG Politics Community

Considering that LL1 just used the "StrawMan" fallacy...as a strawman tactic (ie: pride's comments were completely based on the facts presented in the link as well as established professional ethics for teachers therefore NOT qualifying as a strawman fallacy)...that this is a sign that he is ShaggyTheClown/PurePress reincarnate and just here to troll and spread idiotic, ill-informed drek.

I propose we either:
A) Mock him constantly until the trolling ends or
B) Ignore him until he goes away just as Shaggy did?

Basic Staw Man Fallacy Explanation

[TheMason]

At 10/6/12 04:12 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: Stuff...

...that I couldn't say better myself. Total agreement.

That said...

This should be an action that means immediate termination of the teacher. However, it does warrant an investigation to ensure that it really happened and not a student making shit up to get back at a teacher who pissed her off.

[TheMason]

At 10/6/12 05:19 AM, 24901miles wrote: Teaching is a highly specialized field, good luck convincing any competent Principal that she/he should ruin a teacher's life because that teacher had an emotional response to someone's political T-Shirt during campaign season. I believe the only reason a Principal would fire a teacher is overwhelming pressure from the community or broken guidelines. There's a real reason the teacher's name isn't printed on these press releases and news stories.

It depends on the level of the infraction. According to the story the allegation is more than an 'emotional response'. From my reading the student is making the following allegations:

1) The teacher inappropriately made physical contact with her; pulling her outside the classroom.
2) The teacher marked on her t-shirt...destruction/vandalizing of personal property. This would also be another allegation of inappropriate physical contact.
3) The teacher encouraged other students to make fun of her and/or harass her. This is highly unprofessional and injurous to the student's emotional wellbeing.
4) Instructed the student to take-off her shirt. This could constitute sexual harassment, even if the teacher meant for her to go to the women's restroom and change. If the student understood it as 'take off my shirt in front of the class'...it could count. Every sexual harassment workshop I've been to...it's been drilled into my head that it is not the intent of the person saying something that counts as sexual harassment...but how the person hearing (even if it's not directed at them, but someone else) the comment understands it.

These are serious allegations, and if verified so offends professional ethics and standard school board policies that the teacher's immediate dismissal (or removal from teaching if tenured) is not only justified but required. If it does not violate school board policy...then the school would not be able to be covered under liability insurance.

Both of my parents are teachers, and they have to go through strict background checks and testing, take new classes, and verify all sorts of information throughout the year. The pressure from the Government, the DOE, the Faculty, and their students is often overwhelming, and they have no energy left to do anything when they get home. I can absolutely sympathize with a teacher losing her cool during class when something like this happens, especially if the student in question is a troublemaker.

My mother is a teacher. I'm currently in a teacher certification program under Troops To Teachers and substitute teaching.

So a few things:

1) You are wrong to say that this would be fireable only under pressure from the community. Given the severity of the complaint, if verified it justifies dismissal. Probably even the loss of the teacher's certificate.
2) This should be investigated.
3) While I admit the student may be a troublemaker (hence my last point), why jump to the conclusion with no evidence that the girl is a trouble maker?
4) People snap and change. In the military you have to have a clean psychological profile to join. However, overtime pressures from the job and family and money mount-up and people develop depression and anxiety disorders. Sometimes a servicemember snaps and kills themselves. My point is, with all that government intervention (background checks, antisuicide programs, etc) people's behavior changes over time. It is rare, and it does happen. Same thing with teachers...this could be a rare case of a teacher going nuts.

[TheKlown]

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20121007_More_threats_alle ged_in_shirt_flap.html?c=0.894099761889889&posted=y&viewAll=
y#comments

Aunt of the teacher uses racial slur and threatens the 16 year old girl?

"Watch your back, (racist slur). I'mma blow your (profanity) brains out," one of Lynette Gaymon's aunts said Saturday.

[TheKlown]

Oh, I misread that the aunt said that she was the one who received racist calls. Oh well, guess what I don't care, because her niece is probably a racist the way she treated that 16 year old girl.