At 10/5/12 02:33 AM, HollowedPumkinz wrote:
Well, you can try to prove me wrong but I honestly don't think W. Bush was a bad president.
I'm not going to try to prove you wrong. That's impossible. It's all opinion.
Everyone hates on him, well, a lot of people do, people think poorly of him for mainly, I suppose, the Iraq War, the Economy, and Katrina. But honestly, I think he just got the shit end of the stick that ALL of these things would happen during his presidency.
He was despised mostly because of going to war with Iraq. Katrina and the economy didn't damage his reputation as much.
But with that being said, he poorly handled the government response to that tragedy.
Once again, prove me wrong, but I can't see how Bush was the MAIN contributor to ALL those major problems.
Bush was almost entirely responsible for sending our armed forces to Iraq. That's why most Americans disapprove of his presidency.
fair warning: these comments are based off of prior knowledge, so if anything seems nonfactual or you'd like to correct me, feel free.9/11 (ignoring conspirators) was an unpredicted attack on US soil, it took the lives of so many Americans, wanting to destroy the organization that did that is only natural, I don't know if many of you were old enough to fully comprehend the atrocities of such an event (hey, I hardly was either) but such a thing, at such a time, War seemed only appropriate, such as Pearl Harbor did with the Japanese. Was staying there a good idea? Many say no, but hey, all I know is that both of the Main leaders are dead and we dealt a massive blow to Al-Queda/related terrorist groups even if they are still up and kicking (those Middle Eastern companies need to fight back too, instead of harboring them or being intimidated).
The War of Afghanistan was justified. The Iraq War was not.
The Economy, yes, Bush spent so much money its pretty much unreal but the main source of the recession can be found actually where Clinton left off in 1999 when he allowed Berny Mac and Bernie Fae to "subprime" equities and such, and when both then bankrupted, ta-da, the economy was officially in the shitter. Could Bush have seen this coming? Maybe, his economic advisers should have at least noticed something was up or about to go down before it did. Not to mention the then insane prices of Gas due to all the Middle Eastern activity.
I don't know much about this particular issue, so I won't comment.
And then Katrina, hell some people act like he created the damn Hurricane, from what I gather, yes, he should have been more on the ball and yeah, Relief should have come sooner. But this was like Icing on a presidential Shit cake, not only was the economy bad,
The economy was doing fine in 2005. Bush was an idiot for failing to have the government respond immediately.
not only was there a War, but now a huge Natural disaster that totally fucked up NO, I think Bush was really relying on his cabinet for this one and they really did not deliver.
No. He's just dumb.
Now I'm not saying that these events couldn't have been handled better. But don't sit there and act like you could've been a better president
Actually, most people would've made better presidents. Most people would probably not make the horrendous mistakes that Bush did.
because we both know the pressure of all these thing would have made you fold like a lawn chair.
I actually do very well under pressure, so no.
They'd find you under the president's desk crying to yourself.
I'm not likely to cry in that situation. Neither are most people, I imagine.
Furthermore, People, and I mean a lot of people, act like he was/is a fucking idiot.
He was. His decisions didn't indicate that he was an intellectual or anything, you know.
He also made up words frequently, such as "misunderestimate." What does that even mean?
Well, he's a lot smarter than you, smarter than you'll ever be,
I'm a very smart person. I'd have to disagree.
But even if I weren't, I strongly doubt that Bush's intelligence would ever exceed mine or anyone else's. I say this not only because of how he talked with reporters and the like, but because of the foolish decisions he made on a frequent basis.
I actually take offense to someone from the Internet claiming that a president they don't seem to know very well is more intelligent than the people on this board, whom you also don't know very well.
Yes, you could say that we don't know GWB very well either, but that is incorrect. You've ignored all or most of the foolish mistakes made by that man and almost desperately look for examples to prove the man has a high intellect in an attempt to defend him. You've made yourself rather oblivious to that man's shortcomings. Most of us have not.
And come on, you shouldn't underestimate the intelligence of the average politics forum regular. We hold intellectually demanding conversations all of the time. Doesn't that say something about our intelligence?
so are most politicians due to the extreme amount of organizing, campaigning and politicking necessary to reach a status such as President of the United States.
Success in those activities which could ultimately culminate in the ascension to the Presidency of the United States doesn't require high intellect, but work ethic and determination. It doesn't take a genius to campaign, organize, or politick.
Sure, all his staff and cabinet members do most of the work, then again, in order to have staff and cabinet you kinda have to be doing something right to begin with.
Again, that requires work ethic and determination, not intellect.
Maybe the Media just puts too much liberal spin, then again, maybe they're right for the most part, but the guy, I think, was a pretty good leader for being able to handle all these terrible events and not leave the country in (total) turmoil.
He destroyed a budget surplus and added trillions and trillions of dollars to our debt. That may not leave a country in turmoil, but it is indicative of a leader who isn't exactly "good."
I don't think Gore could've done better, I don't think he would have the right stuff to hard ball Foreign anything
Gore most likely had extensive foreign policy experience since he was the former Vice President and a senator for a period of time. GWB was just a governor.
and I think his Green Energy spin, though efficient, would've caused too much strain on an already delicate economy for large businesses,
Please tell me how the economy was "delicate" and how Gore's plans for green energy would severely harm it.
And please tell me why we should care so much about large businesses. They make massive profits, you know.
and he wouldn't have stopped 9/11
That's not why people think GWB was so bad. No one expected him to prevent 9/11. So I doubt that anything different would be expected of Gore.
and he couldn't have kept Bernie Mac and Fae from bankrupting
Most didn't expect GWB to prevent this from happening either.
or block Katrina with a laser force-field (using clean energy of course) around New Orleans.
It's not that GWB didn't prevent Katrina from happening that helped diminish his popularity, but the government's terribly slow response to it.
And frankly, I think if Gore had been president, we'd all be bagging on him 24/7.
Not really. He's not an idiot.