13 key signifiers of Fascism.

[leanlifter1]

13 points to identify that you may live in a Fascist Nation !

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism
2. Disdain for the importance of human rights
3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause
4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism
5. A controlled mass media
6. Obsession with national security
7. Religion and ruling elite tied together
8. Power of corporations protected
9. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated
10. Obsession with crime and punishment
11. Rampant cronyism and corruption
12. Fraudulent elections
13. Denial of any or all of the above

[Light]

At 10/4/12 06:11 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: 13 points to identify that you may live in a Fascist Nation !

I'm just going to assume that this thread is implying the U.S. is a fascist nation.

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism

Not at all.

Examining the displays of nationalism in fascist states, I can safely say that nothing of that sort exists in the U.S. Americans don't attend military parades because they don't occur here. They don't swear allegiance to the President or to values that most would find objectionable. Instead, Americans often pledge allegiance to the ideals of justice and liberty. Hardly fascist.

Also, patriotism =/= nationalism.

2. Disdain for the importance of human rights

The U.S. doesn't disdain human rights.

Although we could be doing better in promoting them.

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause

That didn't really happen in the U.S. Maybe in the Iraq War, but even then, our involvement there resulted from a case of faulty intelligence and nothing more.

4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism

How so?

5. A controlled mass media

I'm not so sure about that.

6. Obsession with national security

Nonexistent.

7. Religion and ruling elite tied together

Not really.

8. Power of corporations protected

Ya got me there.

9. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated

Not at the federal level, really. If this suppression/elimination isn't taking place at a federal level, it's really not fascist.

10. Obsession with crime and punishment

Nonexistent in the U.S.

11. Rampant cronyism and corruption
12. Fraudulent elections

Not a common occurrence in the U.S.

13. Denial of any or all of the above

Flawed logic.

[leanlifter1]

At 10/4/12 11:21 PM, Light wrote:

At 10/4/12 06:11 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: 13 points to identify that you may live in a Fascist Nation !

I'm just going to assume that this thread is implying the U.S. is a fascist nation.
Examining the displays of nationalism in fascist states, I can safely say that nothing of that sort exists in the U.S. Americans don't attend military parades because they don't occur here. They don't swear allegiance to the President or to values that most would find objectionable. Instead, Americans often pledge allegiance to the ideals of justice and liberty. Hardly fascist.

I see you are a young man just out of or still in high school so I will break it down for you as high school is an indoctrination camp with much propaganda to desensitize, dumb down and disorient the youth so this is why I will break it down just for you in another post on this thread and please read it with an open mind before damming it :-)

[Light]

At 10/5/12 12:01 AM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 10/4/12 11:21 PM, Light wrote:

At 10/4/12 06:11 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: 13 points to identify that you may live in a Fascist Nation !

I'm just going to assume that this thread is implying the U.S. is a fascist nation.
Examining the displays of nationalism in fascist states, I can safely say that nothing of that sort exists in the U.S. Americans don't attend military parades because they don't occur here. They don't swear allegiance to the President or to values that most would find objectionable. Instead, Americans often pledge allegiance to the ideals of justice and liberty. Hardly fascist.

I see you are a young man just out of or still in high school so I will break it down for you as high school is an indoctrination camp with much propaganda to desensitize, dumb down and disorient the youth

Don't patronize me.

so this is why I will break it down just for you in another post on this thread and please read it with an open mind before damming it :-)

I'm familiar with the aspects of fascism and most of them aren't possessed by the U.S. at this point in time.

[Camarohusky]

What's your goal here?

[leanlifter1]

At 10/5/12 12:19 AM, Light wrote:

At 10/5/12 12:01 AM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 10/4/12 11:21 PM, Light wrote:

At 10/4/12 06:11 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: 13 points to identify that you may live in a Fascist Nation !

I'm familiar with the aspects of fascism and most of them aren't possessed by the U.S. at this point in time.

Well that is a matter of opinion weather or not America is a fascist nation however I will provide more clarification in another post as to why I believe America to be highly Fascist even though I agree with you that the way America was founded was not Fascist but times have changed sadly.

[leanlifter1]

At 10/5/12 01:16 AM, Camarohusky wrote: What's your goal here?

To open minds and restore the constitutional rights to freedom, prosperity, and truth 100% back to the American people and the world.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

sounds like something some right wing tea party nut.

[leanlifter1]

At 10/5/12 01:35 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: sounds like something some right wing tea party nut.

I don't know about that.

[Light]

At 10/5/12 01:20 AM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 10/5/12 12:19 AM, Light wrote:

At 10/5/12 12:01 AM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 10/4/12 11:21 PM, Light wrote:

At 10/4/12 06:11 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: 13 points to identify that you may live in a Fascist Nation !

I'm familiar with the aspects of fascism and most of them aren't possessed by the U.S. at this point in time.

Well that is a matter of opinion weather or not America is a fascist nation

Not at all.

The U.S., by definition, is not fascist. It's not a matter of opinion. It's a matter of fact.

[leanlifter1]

At 10/5/12 12:44 PM, Light wrote:

The U.S., by definition, is not fascist. It's not a matter of opinion. It's a matter of fact.

A fact with no circumstantial evidence is no fact at all.

[Light]

At 10/5/12 12:57 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 10/5/12 12:44 PM, Light wrote:

The U.S., by definition, is not fascist. It's not a matter of opinion. It's a matter of fact.

A fact with no circumstantial evidence is no fact at all.

None of the evidence I cite or will cite is circumstantial. The U.S. doesn't fit the definition of a fascist state. It's just that simple.

It's like calling Sweden a communist state because it's a socialist state.

[leanlifter1]

At 10/5/12 01:21 PM, Light wrote:

At 10/5/12 12:57 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 10/5/12 12:44 PM, Light wrote:

The U.S., by definition, is not fascist. It's not a matter of opinion. It's a matter of fact.

A fact with no circumstantial evidence is no fact at all.

None of the evidence I cite or will cite is circumstantial. The U.S. doesn't fit the definition of a fascist state. It's just that simple.

It's like calling Sweden a communist state because it's a socialist state.

That's in your opinion that the US does not fit the typical Fasict profile. Many experts and people disagree with you including one Pulitzer prize winning writer and author of "American Fascists." Chris Hedges.

[morefngdbs]

At 10/4/12 11:21 PM, Light wrote: Examining the displays of nationalism in fascist states, I can safely say that nothing of that sort exists in the U.S. Americans don't attend military parades because they don't occur here. They don't swear allegiance to the President or to values that most would find objectionable. Instead, Americans often pledge allegiance to the ideals of justice and liberty. Hardly fascist.

Also, patriotism =/= nationalism.

2. Disdain for the importance of human rights

The U.S. doesn't disdain human rights.

;;;;
cough (Gitaminmo bay ) cough ! ....secret prisons in other parts of the worlld
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11 /01/AR2005110101644.html

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause

That didn't really happen in the U.S. Maybe in the Iraq War, but even then, our involvement there resulted from a case of faulty intelligence and nothing more.

Cough ... Lybia ! cough .... you know why the USA supported the distruction of Ghadaffi after 40+ years as a dictatorial ass ?
One simple reason .... when Gaddafi became President of the African Union his agenda was quite clear. For the African NAtions to form a single currency, (to put it in direct conflict with the American dollar) a unified single purpose Armed forces of the 53 member NAtions, & he continued to work behind the scenes to push for stronger economic/military with all African Nations supporting each other....a direct threat to the USA's interests (big businesses resource rape actually) on that fractured continent !

4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism

How so?

C'mon are you living under a rock ...Homeland Security Duuhhhhh ,so many fucking policing agencies you can't even name them all any more !

5. A controlled mass media

I'm not so sure about that.

;;;; Ah an answer to my question about if you are living under a rock...its now obvious & its in a rural location !

6. Obsession with national security

Nonexistent.

L M F A O & R O T F

7. Religion and ruling elite tied together

Not really.

8. Power of corporations protected

Ya got me there.

9. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated

Not at the federal level, really. If this suppression/elimination isn't taking place at a federal level, it's really not fascist.

Are you kidding me ? the anti Union rhetoric & anti union laws being passed in many states, making it illegal to strike, canceling the right to contract barganing
http://rt.com/usa/news/usa-state-anti-union-laws/

10. Obsession with crime and punishment

Nonexistent in the U.S

Bloody hell !
this is an unbelievably naive answer.... It has almost stunned me in its stupidity !
http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-ndaa-bill-2012-1

11. Rampant cronyism and corruption
12. Fraudulent elections

Not a common occurrence in the U.S.

Man , you gotta be 4 or 5 years old !?!
That's the only way you couldn't have heard of the election fraud in the Bush elections

13. Denial of any or all of the above

Flawed logic.

Yeah, its flawed all right according to the blind, deaf, mute who is obviously you sole source of information in this world !
Man you really need to get out into the real world & away from the Government (aka Big Business) controled media .

[Light]

At 10/5/12 01:35 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

2. Disdain for the importance of human rights

The U.S. doesn't disdain human rights.

;;;;
cough (Gitaminmo bay ) cough ! ....secret prisons in other parts of the worlld
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11 /01/AR2005110101644.html

Yeah, those are examples. But it doesn't seem to reach fascist levels.

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause

That didn't really happen in the U.S. Maybe in the Iraq War, but even then, our involvement there resulted from a case of faulty intelligence and nothing more.

Cough ... Lybia ! cough .... you know why the USA supported the distruction of Ghadaffi after 40+ years as a dictatorial ass ?
One simple reason .... when Gaddafi became President of the African Union his agenda was quite clear. For the African NAtions to form a single currency, (to put it in direct conflict with the American dollar) a unified single purpose Armed forces of the 53 member NAtions, & he continued to work behind the scenes to push for stronger economic/military with all African Nations supporting each other....a direct threat to the USA's interests (big businesses resource rape actually) on that fractured continent !

Please cite a reputable source to substantiate this claim.

4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism

How so?

C'mon are you living under a rock ...Homeland Security Duuhhhhh ,so many fucking policing agencies you can't even name them all any more !

That doesn't mean that the military is supreme...whatever that means, I guess.

It's a little difficult to think the military controls the U.S. when civilian control of the armed forces is a well-established and well-defended tradition.

5. A controlled mass media

I'm not so sure about that.

;;;; Ah an answer to my question about if you are living under a rock...its now obvious & its in a rural location !

wut

I live in a large urban city.

6. Obsession with national security

Nonexistent.

L M F A O & R O T F

Do you always lose your composure when you observe others expressing views that you find disagreeable?

7. Religion and ruling elite tied together

Not really.

8. Power of corporations protected

Ya got me there.

9. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated

Not at the federal level, really. If this suppression/elimination isn't taking place at a federal level, it's really not fascist.

Are you kidding me ?

No.

the anti Union rhetoric & anti union laws being passed in many states, making it illegal to strike, canceling the right to contract barganing

I'm well aware of that, but you seem to have ignored the fact that I stated that these kinds of laws don't currently exist at the federal level.

http://rt.com/usa/news/usa-state-anti-union-laws/

10. Obsession with crime and punishment

Nonexistent in the U.S

Bloody hell !
this is an unbelievably naive answer.... It has almost stunned me in its stupidity !
http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-ndaa-bill-2012-1

It doesn't mean we're obsessed with crime and punishment. Furthermore, I recall Obama exempting American citizens from some of the provisions of the NDAA a while back.

11. Rampant cronyism and corruption
12. Fraudulent elections

Not a common occurrence in the U.S.

Man , you gotta be 4 or 5 years old !?!
That's the only way you couldn't have heard of the election fraud in the Bush elections

That wasn't definitively proven to be a case of election fraud. Even if it was, it doesn't refute what I said, that fraudulent elections aren't a common occurrence in the U.S.

Learn to read.

13. Denial of any or all of the above

Flawed logic.

Yeah, its flawed all right according to the blind, deaf, mute who is obviously you sole source of information in this world !
Man you really need to get out into the real world & away from the Government (aka Big Business) controled media .

You sound like a conspiracy theorist.

It's sad that you haven't matured enough to realize that there are people in the world who have decent reasons to disagree with you. Until you do mature enough to learn that, I won't be able to say that I can take you seriously or even respect you and your opinions.

At 10/5/12 01:30 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 10/5/12 01:21 PM, Light wrote:

At 10/5/12 12:57 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 10/5/12 12:44 PM, Light wrote:

The U.S., by definition, is not fascist. It's not a matter of opinion. It's a matter of fact.

A fact with no circumstantial evidence is no fact at all.

None of the evidence I cite or will cite is circumstantial. The U.S. doesn't fit the definition of a fascist state. It's just that simple.

It's like calling Sweden a communist state because it's a socialist state.

That's in your opinion that the US does not fit the typical Fasict profile.

It's not opinion.

The U.S. doesn't possess most of the traits that fascist states do.

Many experts and people disagree with you including one Pulitzer prize winning writer and author of "American Fascists." Chris Hedges.

And the overwhelming majority of "experts" most likely disagree with you.

[leanlifter1]

What is Fascism ? IMO expressed below is a comperhensive list outlying some consistent regularities shared between all Fasist regimes of past and present.

- Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism

Prominent displays of national flags and lapel pins. catchy slogans, pride in military, suspicion and hate of many things of foreign nature often bordering on Xenophobia.

- Disdain for importance of Human rights

The American fascist Regime view's are brought to accept these Crimes Against Humanity by way of marginalizing , demonizing, and persecuting those being targeted.When Crimes Against Humanity and other abuses are blatantly obvious, the tactics used is to engage in secrecy, denial, Propaganda and disinformation by way of big corporate owned centrally controlled Mass Media Cartels.

-Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause

Scapegoating as a means to divert the people's attention from other issues to shift blame for failures and to chanle frustration in contolled directions. Presently it's the Islamic Terrorist threat. Today, in America, a true patriot and freedom lover might actually be labeled "the terrorist"

- The supremacy of the military/ avid militarism

Fasict nations always identify with the Military Industrial Complex. A disproportionate share of national and monetary resources are allocated to the military, even when domestic basic needs are not being met and home are being foreclosed on in the home front etc ... Today, the US spends more on "Defense" and locking up Criminals on the homefront than all other countries combined.

- A controlled mass media

The result is success in keeping the general public in the dark of the Fascist regiems and illegal policy ratifications. Today, all "major" media happens to be spewing propaganda and misinformation including but not limited to such firms as CBS, ABC, FOX, CNN, NYTimes, Washington Post and many others such as radio stations, magazines, Cable TV, Internet and even Hollywood is untouched.

- Obsession with national security

Inevitably, a national security apparatus is under control of the ruling elite. It is an instrument of oppression, operating in secret and beyond any constraints. It's actions are justified under the guise of enhancing "national security" and questioning it's activities is considered to be unpatriotic and even treasonous.

- Religion and ruling elite tied together at the hip

Unlike communist regimes, the fascist regimes were never proclaimed as godless by their opponents. Most of the Fasict regimes attached themselves to the predominant religion of the country and times and choose to portray themselves as militant defenders of that religion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-fbcy1tRoA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-VIhFQPo8o

- Power of corporations protected

The ability of large corporations to operate (WITH IMPUNITY) in relative freedom will never be compromised or questioned by the people or authority.

- Power of labor suppressed or eliminated

As labour unions are busted so are there jobs being shipped overseas, and the lower and middle classes wages have dropped or been frozen significantly in recent years as the cost of living dramatically increases with the price of oil in short order.

- Obsession with crime and punishment

Many of these Fasict regimes maintain a archaic systems of criminal justic with huge prison populations "America" has the largest prison poulation in the world. The police are often glorify and had almost unchecked power, leading to rampant abuse and coercion tactics.

- Rampant cronyism and corruption

Those in business circles and close to the power elite often used their position to enrich themselves at the cost of the many. This corruption worked both ways, the power elite would receive financial gifts and property from the economic elite, who in turn would gain the benefit of government favoritism. Members of the power elite were in a position to obtain vast wealth from other sources as well for example, by stealing national resources like Oil from Canadian Oil tar sands project and heroin from the Middle East and the Arab owned Oil of course.

- Fraudulent elections

Common methods include maintaining control over the election machinery, intimidating and mitigating opposition voters, destroying or disallowing legal votes, and as a last resort turning to a judiciary beholden to the power elite. In the US both Democratic and Republican parties are owned by the same money. Americans are given a choice between two candidates in the hands of the elite.

- Denial and outright disdain of any or all of the above

Or could it be that Fascism is all a matter of personal opinion and is really not a big deal at all for reason being some countries and people are just naturally superior and more entitled to others in the world ? Let me know what your guy's opinions are in a civil, intelligent, unbiased manor :-)

[BloodPact]

At 10/4/12 06:11 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:
5. A controlled mass media

Please listen to a audio clip of Rush Limbaugh and then an audio clip of Bill Maher, and after you compare the two, please try to present the evidence you're insinuating with this to show that this country does indeed have a controlled mass media.

And I'm not saying you have to be a fan of either one. But listen to their opinions and then you tell me that the media is all on the same page here.

[leanlifter1]

At 10/6/12 02:20 AM, BloodPact wrote:

At 10/4/12 06:11 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:
5. A controlled mass media

Please listen to a audio clip of Rush Limbaugh and then an audio clip of Bill Maher, and after you compare the two, please try to present the evidence you're insinuating with this to show that this country does indeed have a controlled mass media.

And I'm not saying you have to be a fan of either one. But listen to their opinions and then you tell me that the media is all on the same page here.

The media will sell you on whatever is going to get them paid just like politician work's for the same interests MONEY. You have to consider that behind all the words and hype and brands and divisions left or right, packers vs 49ers etc there is only one common denominator and ruler and that is "the market" it's the one thing that controls it all and people worship it without question and without knowing just what it really is and how it actually works MONEY.

[BoredLooney]

At 10/4/12 11:21 PM, Light wrote:

At 10/4/12 06:11 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: 6. Obsession with national security

Nonexistent.

Nonexistent? What about the anti-piracy campaigns using the argument that piracy can cause identity theft, data loss, etc. to justify vague bills like SOPA? There's also CISPA, an unneeded cybersecurity bill with lacking privacy protections which, unlike SOPA, actually passed in the house.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

nah.. leanlifter1 seems more like a OWS supporter than anything with all the shit he is spewing.

[leanlifter1]

At 10/6/12 05:52 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: nah.. leanlifter1 seems more like a OWS supporter than anything with all the shit he is spewing.

You seem like a parrot repeating what the statuesque requires you to repeat. Your logic is so failed and non existence it hurts for you pop off with unfounded misinformation just with the intent to attempt to create an atmosphere to disfranchise and mitigate the gravity and seriousness of our collective reality. To you I recommend to pull your head out of the sand and give it a shake :-) If you want to actually develop an intelligent ideal explaining and refuting the many or some of the points I have made I encourage you to do so in dignified as it is welcome but all I have seen so far from you guy's is ad hominem attacks and pre approved catch words and phrases that have been made available to you through your propaganda news network including but not limited to CNN, and Fox etc ... to demonize and mitigate spreaders of the truth. Anytime a person or group brings some detrimental social, political or environmental consequence of this system to the forefront, pejorative distinctions are usually branded upon their forehead to stifle such concern and frighten other detractors - such as being called an "OWS hippie" or âEUoeSocialistâEU or âEUoeCommunistâEU etc ... "He's speaking to much truth oh must be one of them "OWS hippies" or a "Communist" or a "terrorist etc ..." LOL which is complete bollocks as I am just like you in more ways than not ;-) Just because of some large and non related movement does that really justify and render what is going on in various levels of Corporation, Government and Wall Street as a vehicle to the betterment of society as a whole ?

[LemonCrush]

At 10/6/12 05:52 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: nah.. leanlifter1 seems more like a OWS supporter than anything with all the shit he is spewing.

This. Guys like Leaf Litter are the reason people think libertarians are crazy. People like Leaf Litter take simple ideas, or opinions, and injects so much fallacy (logical, factual and other), and demagoguery into it, that it makes anyone with a similar thought seem as stupid as he.

[leanlifter1]

At 10/6/12 01:27 PM, LemonCrush wrote:

This. Guys like Leaf Litter are the reason people think libertarians are crazy. People like Leaf Litter take simple ideas, or opinions, and injects so much fallacy (logical, factual and other), and demagoguery into it, that it makes anyone with a similar thought seem as stupid as he.

Once again you among some others erroneously and habitually engage in ad hominem attacking instead of developing intelligent and civil argument's to back up your opinions and claims. Am I the only adult here ? If you guy's can develop some quality and logical arguments I will consider changing my stance or at least look into your opinion and peruse it with an open mind. All you have proven is that people with whom you disagree with will be blasted with "personal" attacks but really it's not your fault as that is probable how the political party you support behaves so monkey see monkey do I presume.

[LemonCrush]

At 10/6/12 02:01 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

Once again you among some others erroneously and habitually engage in ad hominem attacking instead of developing intelligent and civil argument's to back up your opinions and claims. Am I the only adult here ? If you guy's can develop some quality and logical arguments I will consider changing my stance or at least look into your opinion and peruse it with an open mind. All you have proven is that people with whom you disagree with will be blasted with "personal" attacks but really it's not your fault as that is probable how the political party you support behaves so monkey see monkey do I presume.

Say some things that are based in reality, and then we can discuss.

I'm not gonna engage in civil, adult debate if you're just spouting a bunch of nonsense

[leanlifter1]

At 10/6/12 02:09 PM, LemonCrush wrote:

At 10/6/12 02:01 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

Once again you among some others erroneously and habitually engage in ad hominem attacking instead of developing intelligent and civil argument's to back up your opinions and claims. Am I the only adult here ? If you guy's can develop some quality and logical arguments I will consider changing my stance or at least look into your opinion and peruse it with an open mind. All you have proven is that people with whom you disagree with will be blasted with "personal" attacks but really it's not your fault as that is probable how the political party you support behaves so monkey see monkey do I presume.

Say some things that are based in reality, and then we can discuss.

I'm not gonna engage in civil, adult debate if you're just spouting a bunch of nonsense

I don't listen to CNN, MSNBC, FOX, CBC, or the like so I don't think you will be hearing any pre certified by the proverbial statuesque cookie cutter nonsensical rhetoric out of this one. Perhaps you should go back to debating and mulling over arbitrary topics such as "Gay Marriage" "Abortion" and Obama's birth certificate while some of us are thinking about real world issues.

[BoredLooney]

At 10/6/12 02:01 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 10/6/12 01:27 PM, LemonCrush wrote:

This. Guys like Leaf Litter are the reason people think libertarians are crazy. People like Leaf Litter take simple ideas, or opinions, and injects so much fallacy (logical, factual and other), and demagoguery into it, that it makes anyone with a similar thought seem as stupid as he.

Once again you among some others erroneously and habitually engage in ad hominem attacking instead of developing intelligent and civil argument's to back up your opinions and claims. Am I the only adult here ?

LemonCrush only made that one post before you cited him as evidence for people using ad hominem in arguments; You two aren't even in a debate. You can't just cite some guy just joining in the thread to insult you as evidence that the people arguing against you are illogical and immature. That just makes you look one-sided and uncredible.

[morefngdbs]

At 10/5/12 04:51 PM, Light wrote:

At 10/5/12 01:35 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

Yeah, those are examples. But it doesn't seem to reach fascist levels.

perhaps In Your Opinion.... according to a definition of facism , I believe you are incorrect
http://www.examiner.com/article/american-fascism-by-politica l-definition-the-us-is-now-fascist-not-a-constitutional-repu blic

Lybia !

Please cite a reputable source to substantiate this claim.

I don't see why i should be the one to educate you ... in other posts you claim to be staying away from Corporate American media aka governemnt controled, so If you don't already know this , In My Opinion it makes anything you say to be contemptable at best.
http://www.bornblackmag.com/African-single-currency-article.
html

4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism

How so?

http://www.24hgold.com/english/news-gold-silver-ron-paul-end -the-libyan-war-.aspx?article=3415640056G10020&redirect=fals e&contributor=Ron+Paul

NADA ....& Obama cannot exempt anyone under the law... look at the oath of office the President of the USA takes... He swears to uphold ALL LAWS OF THE NATION.... so if he doesn't do that he is in violation of his presidential oath ....man your making this too easy.... you write shit & you haven't got a clue .

6. Obsession with national security

Look at the nightmare you've got for security in airports.... you search baby diapers !, you frisk little old ladies, when there has never been 1 little old lady terrorist .... NOT EVEN ONE !
http://www.24hgold.com/english/news-gold-silver-the-ndaa-rep eals-more-rights.aspx?article=3921596458G10020&redirect=fals e&contributor=Ron+Paul

Nonexistent.

L M F A O & R O T F

Do you always lose your composure when you observe others expressing views that you find disagreeable?

I never lost my composure ...I can't believe you actually wrote that & kept a straight face ! ! !

10. Obsession with crime and punishment

Nonexistent in the U.S

Bloody hell !
this is an unbelievably naive answer.... It has almost stunned me in its stupidity !
http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-ndaa-bill-2012-1

It doesn't mean we're obsessed with crime and punishment. Furthermore, I recall Obama exempting American citizens from some of the provisions of the NDAA a while back.

WHat about 3 strikes your out ?
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Three+Strikes+
Laws
Mom gets 12 years for 31 dollars worth of pot !
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&art icleid=20111226_11_A1_CUTLIN819265
There are killers doing less time !
WHat about putting people in jail for years for stealing some food ?
THis guy used a complimentary water cup to take a soda... because he has done petty theft before he has had the charges upgeaded to a felony .... A FELONY for taking a buck soda .... possibly 5 years in prison & you say your country ISN'T FUCKING OBSESSED, particularly with petty crime & excessive penalties.
http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/04/24/man-arrested-for-stealin g-soda-refill/

The U.S. doesn't possess most of the traits that fascist states do.

Many experts and people disagree with you including one Pulitzer prize winning writer and author of "American Fascists." Chris Hedges.

I consider Ron Paul to be a bit of an expert on US politics & problems.
http://www.24hgold.com/english/news-gold-silver-tsa-thugs-on -the-loose-.aspx?article=3672687618G10020&redirect=false&con tributor=Ron+Paul

[thegarbear14]

You guys do realize that any facts/sources you show him will be discredited as they are apparently all 100% false, controlled, and biased to the benefit of these facists he are talking about....

[Iron-Hampster]

At 10/5/12 01:35 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: sounds like something some right wing tea party nut.

of course, its always your opposition that makes claims you don't agree with. Then some one from the right will say its just some OWS punks causing trouble.

[TheMason]

At 10/4/12 06:11 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: 13 points to identify that you may live in a Fascist Nation !

Fascist nation would not be capitalized unless it is at the beginning of the sentence. Also, there is no space before puncuation.

13. Denial of any or all of the above

You only put up 11 actual indicators of a fascist nation. However, there is no intellectual meat to your post because you do not provide examples that are either historical in nature or argue for the US (or any other nation) currently being a fascist nation. Thus you take it on faith that your readers have ESP and/or a priori knowledge that would allow us to know the point you are trying to make.

The points you miss are:
* Disdain for intellectuals and the arts.
* Rampant sexism and reinforcement of traditional gender roles.

source

But guess what? 'Dr' 'Lawrence' Britt, 'political scientist' was an anti-Right-wing former executive. Which explains why his points only have a patina of truth behind them and, as presented, thin intellectual gruel.

Source

Also, if you really were the intellectual you claim to be, you'd understand that you need to source especially when the ideas you are presenting are not your own but taken word-for-word from someone else. Even if you drop two points and add one of your own...it is still plaguerism. And once exposed you lose credibility.

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But as for 13...from a logical standpoint and from a political science standpoint; you lose all credibility when you throw this into the mix. In order for any statement to be an objective statement of truth (in other words scientific), it has to be falsifiable. Even in history and the social sciences (which are trying to practice in this post) it is important to be able to show that your statement can be shown to be false through empirical evidence and/or observation.

By throwing up the claim that 'denial of any of the above' is somehow proof of your argument sets yourself up for failure and exposes you as close minded. Furthermore, I cannot decide if your use is ironic or hypocritical or both. See, denial of the party line and making people who disagree with you out to be dumb, ignorant, sheeple or evil for disagreeing with you...is itself a sign of fascism.