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A small EXP boost would be a neat feature for the supporter upgrade. Also, just boost up the porno section money will guzzle out of fat lonely man dicks and land right in your lap. Sounds dirty, but the money is clean. jk lol
At 9/17/12 06:37 PM, Sequenced wrote: Once I scrap up and find $25, I'll definitely hand it over to you Tom. :)
Same here man; it's the least I can do for the front page exposure you gave me last week!
At 9/17/12 06:53 PM, Mr-Shark wrote: A small EXP boost would be a neat feature for the supporter upgrade. Also, just boost up the porno section money will guzzle out of fat lonely man dicks and land right in your lap. Sounds dirty, but the money is clean. jk lol
don't you remember newdgrounds?
At 9/17/12 06:35 PM, Narcissy wrote: So, am I in the cool kid's club now?
Deja vu at the signature there hombrÃ©
At 9/17/12 05:05 PM, TomFulp wrote:
"Oh we could have just had them send it to our Paypal email instead of building an entire feature around it."
Does the NG store have a PayPal e-mail that I could send to at this time?
Don't have much money right now but I'm really hoping Newgrounds can make it together through these tough times.
At 9/17/12 04:17 PM, SamIam wrote: Anything to help the guys who got me into animation in the first place.
Word. Seriously. Without NG, probably wouldn't be where I am today and knowing such rad people.
Supporter all the waaay.
At 9/17/12 07:16 PM, FBIpolux wrote: Stop asking for Exp boosts.
I don't think they're going to do it. Ever.
Yeah, that is a terrible idea. It's mainly the same people asking for it over and over. I'm sure Tom knows that it would cause a MASSIVE shit-storm if it were to happen.
Incoming stupidly long rant.
First of all Newgrounds has been part of my life for over 10 years, and its been integral to my growth as both an animator and as an artist and the last thing I want to see happen to Newgrounds is to see it fall by the wayside. HOWEVER, this new $25 "premium membership" idea makes no sense to me for a number of reasons and really comes across as a move forced by sheer desperation. Im just going to list some of the issue's I see with the site as it currently stands as someone who works in advertising and understands the importance and does a lot of work in the field of social media.
The major issue facing this premium membership for Newgrounds is its audience. The sites main viewership are young teen males, usually of school age and as a general rule have no money. Thats not to say that there aren't hundreds of people like me in their mid 20's and 30's who dont visit the site, but the vast majority of the user base are of an age where money is an issue. The second issue is aside from games, theirs very little by way of exclusive content for people who pay for that premium experience.
This leads into the fact that the idea of punishing non paying users with a worse and slower experience will also scare away many new potential users, the site already has some massive issues with speed, I personally find myself a lot of the time just grabbing the name of a film from this site and then looking for it on youtube just because I know it will load faster then it will on this site. We live in an age of convenience and at the moment the site is anything but.
This brings up another point which is youtube's social media integration and the fact it runs fine on mobile. Newgrounds dedication to the flash format is only going to damage the site more and more over time as mobile platforms take up more of the webs browsing space. Newgrounds as a site is hope to largely short fun movies and games, this content is ideal for mobile and tablet platforms, yet the site makes it impossible to view the content on them. As time goes on this is going to become more and more of an issue. Then theirs the fact you can embed youtube/vimeo videos into facebook/tumblr for quick and easy sharing, and for watching the content within a container. Newgrounds requires you to click a link that will bring you to an external site, which is something people stopped wanting to do years ago, its clunky, its unintuitive, and its completely backwards. Social media is the most powerful force of traffic online, and Newgrounds through its very nature as a flash content based site completely blocks it.
Which brings me to my last point, the level of flash content on the site. I love the IDEA of the new video player, it brings the site up, superficially, to the web standards of 2006/2007. The largest problem with it (aside from the obvious lack of advertising within it) is the speed it loads content and its limitations. The fact I can only watch David Firths most recent film in standard definition on this site, and even then it takes five times as long to load as it does in full 1080p on youtube renders the video player completely pointless. Not only that, but the video player should have been an open invitation to animators from all styles and backgrounds to submit content, but no push as far as I can see was made to encourage new and higher end animators to submit there content to the site. How do you even attract new artists to a site like this when the purpose of the site isn't even clear, i mean its great that its a hub for art, games, videos and music, but its has a its fingers in all these pies without coming close to mastering any of them, its unfocused and as such excels at nothing other then being cluttered and undirected.
I understand now that the team is incredibly small, I know most advertisers wont touch you because of some of the subversive content on the site. I just wonder if the site has grown into something too big for you and your small team to handle now, and honestly wonder how long the site can keep going as it is without imploding under its own weight. Something has got to give, and Newgrounds can no longer exist in the vacuum that its been hiding in for the last 6 years.
As I said at the beginning, Newgrounds has been a part of my life for over 10 years, and I dont want to see it go. But the way things are going, without some massive reforms to the site and the way its directed I dont see Newgrounds being here in another 5 years and I think that would be a real shame.
I dont have any solutions, but I would recommend taking a look at http://fillim.com/ to see the sort of social media and multiplatform development that independent film makers and potentially game makers will be using as a standard in the future.
DOUBLE POST! BAM! I thought that was fixed.
At 9/17/12 03:23 PM, big-jonny-13 wrote: NG is the only site I keep adblock turned off for.
At 9/17/12 03:29 PM, TomFulp wrote:GOOD ENOUGH.
Agreed! Often, if I see someone has created something great, I ACTUALLY CLICK on their ads to give them a penny.Then, if it wasn't something I'd be interested in, I close the window once it opens. I still click to give a penny and support people who actually try.
That's also why I rag on the bad quality submissions so much. If we allow Newgrounds to have bad quality submissions, why will the masses want to be here?
Hey quick question.
Anyone know why im having NO ads show up on my end?
Its just black boxes everywhere ads are supposed to be.
Done, and WHOAAAA look at that, instantly no ads. I almost kind of miss them, it's a little nostalgic or something... but one thing I've definitely noticed is that some of the busier Flash ads will sap some processing power and can degrade the performance of some Flash movies. The "dim lights" feature was always great for dealing with that but this'll work too, heh.
On the other hand I do like to support everyone who uploads content, and I know that people using the rev share get a small cut from the page ads as well... I've never even considered using adblock for those and I still wouldn't mind browsing with ads ads present. I think a toggle option would be great, then again I guess anyone who cares about that could always sign out to watch stuff.
At 9/17/12 09:33 PM, Gerkinman wrote: How do you even attract new artists to a site like this when the purpose of the site isn't even clear, i mean its great that its a hub for art, games, videos and music, but its has a its fingers in all these pies without coming close to mastering any of them, its unfocused and as such excels at nothing other then being cluttered and undirected.
While your rant was well structured and argued meticulously, (and thanks for the link to fillim) I have to disagree here.
I really think that's the whole point of beauty and Newgrounds. If you're an animator, Newgrounds isn't just a place to post your movies, and same for all other fields. What amazes me about Newgrounds is the collaboration. You could be making your art, and have no idea how games work for example, but then you come across a guy learning to program and you start talking, and team up and eventually make games. If I'm not mistaken that's how Tommy and Edmund, the creators of Super Meat Boy, met.
And there's a lot of other stories like this. Or perhaps you'd even benefit from the people you meet and work with through game jams. Sure, there's a lot of other places that make game jams, but Newgrounds it the only one that assigns you in random teams so you work with people you may never have considered working with before. And I'm not sure if any other place does movie jams either.
Argh! The day they announce the Support feature is the day I've got Â£29 left in the bank. It's gonna be next month til I can buy this, sorry guys!
I agree with Gerkinman that Newgrounds can be too punk-rock for it's own good. I still think introducing Following to everyone as a line of white text on their user page is PAINFULLY weak!
People who don't read their own profiles, or don't HAVE profiles, STILL DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT FEATURE!
Y'know... the kind of people WHO THAT WOULD BE USEFUL TO?
At 9/17/12 05:05 PM, TomFulp wrote:At 9/17/12 03:58 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: yeah PayPal would be useful.We've been talking about finally adding Paypal. We have a fear of adding it, then having like 10 people use it and being like "Oh we could have just had them send it to our Paypal email instead of building an entire feature around it."
So who do we contact to make this happen? I do understand your problems with Paypal, but I think you're missing out on a ton of money by having so few payment options, especially for non-US folks. Like I said in my previous post, I really want to support you guys, but I have no clue how to get my money in your pockets.