Why is everything always personal?

[Lintire]

Education, Job, House, Family, rinse and repeat. Systems there, and it's there for a good reason (species would have a hard time continuing otherwise), but why do we bother dressing it up as anything different? Everyone gets their own little spwecial education, job, house and family that means the world to them. We live in an age where there are 7 billion people on the planet, each and every single one of them following their own version of that 4 step plan, so ignoring the whole tragedy of the commons deal, let me ask you this:

If you didn't have to prove yourself to society, what would you do with your life?

Is it really surprising that people are putting off the most unwanted parts of the plan (house and family) for longer, each generation? Is it right to vilify those who reject their education in favour of simply enjoying life (and popularizing shitty acronyms)? How many people are trying to prove themselves fervently by exceeding at that plan and are making themselves miserable in the process? How many people are doing the same, but are ecstatic about it?

Or is what I'm saying balderdash? I dunno, I set out to prove a point to some other fucker and accidentally made some good points in the progress. Whatever, my thread is still way better. I don't expect anyone to change their lives over this; I mean, food and shelter needs pay, pay needs job, job needs education etc, but what would you do without that plan? What would you WANT to do?

Philosphical thinking is the number one cause of existential crises

[Sekhem]

At 9/16/12 01:15 AM, Addict wrote: But this is a really gay thread so I can't type anymore

very well said

[BeckyRawr]

I do what the fuck i like for my sake and no one else's.
I don't give a shit about society. I have fuck all to prove .

[Lintire]

At 9/16/12 01:15 AM, Addict wrote: But to prove yourself to society is to prove to yourself that you can handle reality easily, and to handle reality easily is to live your life stress-free for the most part. However, if there wasn't such luxurious things to purchase & experience in life (like yachts and diamonds and sports cars), most people wouldn't be trying to live their lives and would probably be off either getting high or killing themselves, which is the case for most people.

Well said. Though videogames also seem to be prime incentive for continued survival.

But this is a really gay thread so I can't type anymore

Homosexuality is a running theme in my threads. I've tried sending them to one of those Christian camps to gain some sort of of semblance of heterosexuality but my fingers are so fruity they keep pumping out distilled Gay Pride Parades.

Plus they're lame.

[Insanctuary]

At 9/16/12 01:02 AM, Lintire wrote: Education, Job, House, Family, rinse and repeat. Systems there, and it's there for a good reason (species would have a hard time continuing otherwise), but why do we bother dressing it up as anything different? Everyone gets their own little spwecial education, job, house and family that means the world to them. We live in an age where there are 7 billion people on the planet, each and every single one of them following their own version of that 4 step plan, so ignoring the whole tragedy of the commons deal, let me ask you this:
I must say, this was a much better and appropiate response, sir. +1

To answer your question, 1) we should not have 7 billion+ people on this planet in the first place, 2) the systems are corrupted and insipid, which hinders critical and better processes of the human mind, and 3) degenerating ourselves is never a good reason.

If you didn't have to prove yourself to society, what would you do with your life?
Live it, while appreciating it for what it is and formulating a system of critical thought and action, hence my mind grants me the cognition to do so. If I can fix something, I am going to fix it and give a big 'fuck you' to people who do not want it fixed, like prideful father that wants to keep his power in the household (that's all he has!)
Is it really surprising that people are putting off the most unwanted parts of the plan (house and family) for longer, each generation? Is it right to vilify those who reject their education in favour of simply enjoying life (and popularizing shitty acronyms)? How many people are trying to prove themselves fervently by exceeding at that plan and are making themselves miserable in the process? How many people are doing the same, but are ecstatic about it?
These people vilify the human race and give us the wrong ideas. 2) we are much more advanced than any animal or life form on this planet, 2) we have the tools to apply our advanced cognition, and 3) we are better than this, so why not climb; run or speak with every ounce of your will as a being?
Or is what I'm saying balderdash? I dunno, I set out to prove a point to some other fucker and accidentally made some good points in the progress. Whatever, my thread is still way better. I don't expect anyone to change their lives over this; I mean, food and shelter needs pay, pay needs job, job needs education etc, but what would you do without that plan? What would you WANT to do?

The system we are in could have been distributed with a more competent concept. The system we are in now, is an utter crock of shit. We do not ''NEED'' what you say we need. Knowledge came before buildings. None of this existed until Mankind created it. We still had our brains and we could have done anything with it - preferably much better.

Also, existential crisises are for babies.

[NeverHundred]

Things are personal because we're people. You're a person, the people you deal with are persons. It's no wonder things are personal.

[Insanctuary]

At 9/16/12 01:34 AM, NeverHundred wrote: Things are personal because we're people. You're a person, the people you deal with are persons. It's no wonder things are personal.

Where does it say that our ideas, feelings and experiences should be subjected to our reality? When our reality is tangible, solid and observable? Why are we trying to mix an illusionary system with a realistic system? We have to be responsible with our imagination - to spread our own interpersonal values is incredibly dangerous in this world. We have to make critical decisions and NO, we can not fit everyone's ideas into this world - to think so is highly absurd.

[Lintire]

At 9/16/12 01:29 AM, Insanctuary wrote: To answer your question, 1) we should not have 7 billion+ people on this planet in the first place

Well, considering the sheer mass of the Earth, and the shitty societal conditions that led to such a population boom in the first place, 7 billion is a whole lot less worse then it could be.

The system we are in could have been distributed with a more competent concept. The system we are in now, is an utter crock of shit. We do not ''NEED'' what you say we need. Knowledge came before buildings. None of this existed until Mankind created it. We still had our brains and we could have done anything with it - preferably much better.

Well, okay, what would you propose would be a better system? Nothing in depth of course, because no-one wants a novel, but just an outline of a system. Our current one just arose haphazardly out of the fundamental concerns of food and the continuation of the race, but neither seem to be dire problems right now.

Also, existential crisises are for babies.

I still remember my first one.

At 9/16/12 01:32 AM, AnonymousOfCali wrote:

At 9/16/12 01:02 AM, Lintire wrote: If you didn't have to prove yourself to society, what would you do with your life?

lol what the fuck I dont

Was that hard to understand or just so wrong that it disgusted you? Help me make my thread less gay, I'm trying here.

[4urentertainment]

At 9/16/12 01:02 AM, Lintire wrote: Is it really surprising that people are putting off the most unwanted parts of the plan (house and family) for longer, each generation? Is it right to vilify those who reject their education in favour of simply enjoying life (and popularizing shitty acronyms)? How many people are trying to prove themselves fervently by exceeding at that plan and are making themselves miserable in the process? How many people are doing the same, but are ecstatic about it?

It's not about trying to prove yourself to society though.

Society is like a well oiled machine (or rather a fickle, duct taped structure, but that's another issue) that wants to exist. And in the process of doing so it enslaves everyone. We are all working for society. And that's not necessarily a bad thing. The reason we got so far in our history is that we learned to stick together and form larger and larger communities. So by doing all those "horrible" things you said, instead of doing the things you might otherwise love to do, you're helping society. And society promises to pay you back by offering any services you want, depending on how much services you gave it, via the system of money.

[HollowedPumkinz]

Be useful to a Democratic society, or society will fuck you upside down and backwards. M'kay? Welcome to Capitalism, if you don't get a job, you don't get a house, you don't get food, and you live on a street. It's not hard, there are actually very few requirements to living in a Democratic society, and depending on how well you can provide to society generally determines the size of your pay check. If you provide a service, talent, or skill that is deemed valuable, you will go far. Generally, this means sharpening/creating this skill via an education. And to obtain an Education, one generally relies on Family.

Family, Job, Education. It's hard to have one without the other. Just deal with it or live in Africa/Antarctica/ 3rd world country where you can be free to "love life" and not prove yourself to anything but a lion or a polar bear.

[Insanctuary]

At 9/16/12 01:42 AM, Lintire wrote:

At 9/16/12 01:29 AM, Insanctuary wrote: To answer your question, 1) we should not have 7 billion+ people on this planet in the first place

Well, considering the sheer mass of the Earth, and the shitty societal conditions that led to such a population boom in the first place, 7 billion is a whole lot less worse then it could be.

No, it is a whole 5billion too much. This is beyond excessive behaviour.

The system we are in could have been distributed with a more competent concept. The system we are in now, is an utter crock of shit. We do not ''NEED'' what you say we need. Knowledge came before buildings. None of this existed until Mankind created it. We still had our brains and we could have done anything with it - preferably much better.

Well, okay, what would you propose would be a better system? Nothing in depth of course, because no-one wants a novel, but just an outline of a system. Our current one just arose haphazardly out of the fundamental concerns of food and the continuation of the race, but neither seem to be dire problems right now.

A system that actually focuses on real problems and not needless money problems (such as to save a dime). A system that eliminates all turmoil that is greatly associated with poor education systems, religious fervor, excessive ideals people spread without reason or critical thought. A system that starts worrying about itself and not other people in other countries (which was obviously foreboding ulterior motives). A system that concentrates on both the fundmentals and the critical developments we have made that encompasses the changes we have made and our external and internal growth as a human race. A system that is more of an fully operational aggregation of humane qualities and less of ungodly fecal matter taped to scrap metal.

Also, existential crisises are for babies.

I still remember my first one.

I have never had an existential crisis. I was never afraid of questioning the unknown.