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Response to The Chicago teachers are on strike 2012-09-10 18:22:43 Reply

It's like they'll strike if the city school district doesn't wipe their ass for them

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Response to The Chicago teachers are on strike 2012-09-10 18:24:46 Reply

Some of the lowest scores in the nation, with a high average wage?

Better strike about how we're not getting paid enough for our performance


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Response to The Chicago teachers are on strike 2012-09-10 18:27:47 Reply

i hate teachers why the heck do i hav to go to school \!!!!!!!!!!!


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Response to The Chicago teachers are on strike 2012-09-10 18:29:14 Reply

At 9/10/12 06:24 PM, RacistBassist wrote: Better strike about how we're not getting paid enough for our performance

That part came out wrong. What I meant to say was something along the lines of job performance and guaranteed jobs, not money lol.


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Response to The Chicago teachers are on strike 2012-09-10 18:29:17 Reply

I have also heard about this


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Response to The Chicago teachers are on strike 2012-09-10 18:29:19 Reply

as a teacher myself, i have more authority to say this, but fuck chicago teachers

seriously

this is only going to be detrimental to the students who depend on them

it's the wrong way of handling this situation


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Response to The Chicago teachers are on strike 2012-09-10 18:48:26 Reply

At 9/10/12 06:29 PM, Sekhem wrote: this is only going to be detrimental to the students who depend on them

Like they were learning much in the first place


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Response to The Chicago teachers are on strike 2012-09-10 18:49:28 Reply

My school is affected by this (teachers don't have contracts) but the they aren't on strike. It's kind of dumb. Most of the staff wore blue last week to protest. I don't live in the city though.


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Response to The Chicago teachers are on strike 2012-09-10 18:56:54 Reply

How weird, in class today we talked about the same thing.

this is like the 3rd topic that has been the same at school :o

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Response to The Chicago teachers are on strike 2012-09-10 21:53:21 Reply

At 9/10/12 06:05 PM, MrSoxfan wrote: Just when you thought the people of Chicago couldn't be any more uneducated.

IMO they're just whiny. "Oh boo hoo, we couldn't go and get a 4% wage increase and they tried to give us 2% instead."

Ask least they have their god damn jobs.


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Response to The Chicago teachers are on strike 2012-09-10 21:59:12 Reply

Oh please like the kids in chicago need school they can learn everything on the streets.

Ya feel homes?

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Response to The Chicago teachers are on strike 2012-09-11 19:36:49 Reply

At 9/10/12 09:53 PM, Crazywill wrote: IMO they're just whiny. "Oh boo hoo, we couldn't go and get a 4% wage increase and they tried to give us 2% instead."

Ask least they have their god damn jobs.

They turned down a 16% pay raise.


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Response to The Chicago teachers are on strike 2012-09-11 19:44:31 Reply

At 9/11/12 07:36 PM, RacistBassist wrote: They turned down a 16% pay raise.

why!?

Im guessing they wernt maths teachers then.


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Response to The Chicago teachers are on strike 2012-09-11 20:23:33 Reply

all they want is a pay raise and a annual bullet proof vest. thats not to much to ask.

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Response to The Chicago teachers are on strike 2012-09-11 21:01:22 Reply

At 9/10/12 06:48 PM, Xenomit wrote:
At 9/10/12 06:29 PM, Sekhem wrote: this is only going to be detrimental to the students who depend on them
Like they were learning much in the first place

When the government is paying them regardless of if they teach or not, why the fuck should they even try?

Public sector unions...fuck

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Response to The Chicago teachers are on strike 2012-09-11 21:35:15 Reply

Now they're just being butthurt.

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Response to The Chicago teachers are on strike 2012-09-11 21:46:48 Reply

unions > not unions.

Srsly, the 19th century sucked.


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Response to The Chicago teachers are on strike 2012-09-11 22:04:07 Reply

I can't believe they're putting money before students, how the fuck do you call yourself a teacher who cares about education when you would undermine the very thing you stand for? Unless, of course, your out there standing up for pay raises, like they are, then you're just a shitty, jobless teacher because fuck you, there's plenty of other would-be teachers waiting in the wings who actually give a damn. I feel for the kids man.


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Response to The Chicago teachers are on strike 2012-09-11 22:34:58 Reply

At 9/11/12 10:04 PM, HollowedPumkinz wrote: how the fuck do you call yourself a teacher who cares about education when you would undermine the very thing you stand for?

Yeah let's all just go to work and not speak out against unfair decisions made by rich beauraucrats which affect our health and livelihood amongst other things.
That's totally the American thing to do; go out and slave away for the greater good and not voice one's opinion.

fuck you, there's plenty of other would-be teachers waiting in the wings who actually give a damn.

No there aren't.

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Response to The Chicago teachers are on strike 2012-09-11 22:38:01 Reply

I wish my teachers went on strike when I was in high school. The closest thing that happened were some kids decided to do a sit-in and they all got written up for skipping class.


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Response to The Chicago teachers are on strike 2012-09-11 22:38:58 Reply

I LIKE ASSUMING A POSITION ON AN ISSUE WITHOUT RESEARCHING TOO


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Response to The Chicago teachers are on strike 2012-09-13 18:21:48 Reply

At 9/11/12 10:34 PM, yurgenburgen wrote: Yeah let's all just go to work and not speak out against unfair decisions made by rich beauraucrats which affect our health and livelihood amongst other things.
That's totally the American thing to do; go out and slave away for the greater good and not voice one's opinion.

Nice generalization there. This isn't like some unjust travesty that they are striking against, what they want is more job security with performance being irrelevant.

No there aren't.

Uh, yes there is. Almost every sub or student teacher out there would fucking hop on any opening within distance.

At 9/11/12 08:01 PM, Light wrote: Well, to be fair, their salaries are supposed to increase by 16% over four years.

Why did you neglect to mention that part?

Because it still ends up being a 16% increase over a relatively short career time?


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Response to The Chicago teachers are on strike 2012-09-13 18:51:14 Reply

At 9/11/12 09:04 PM, hiddeninthecrowd wrote:
At 9/10/12 06:49 PM, EJR wrote: Most of the staff wore blue last week to protest.
i know this might cause shit but:

that's about as dumb as wearing pink to support the fight against breast cancer

Yeah. It's pretty dumb.


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Response to The Chicago teachers are on strike 2012-09-13 19:01:44 Reply

At 9/11/12 09:46 PM, Bolo wrote: unions > not unions.

Srsly, the 19th century sucked.

Harp darp, a higher standard-of-living came from union protesters and not industrialization. If cavemen wanted their lives to be easier, they could've just killed any extra hunters and that would mean more food for everyone!


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Response to The Chicago teachers are on strike 2012-09-13 19:32:01 Reply

Why do all the best-paid people go on strike?

Teachers, construction workers, basketball players (yes, basketball players)...

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Response to The Chicago teachers are on strike 2012-09-13 20:02:58 Reply

At 9/10/12 06:24 PM, RacistBassist wrote: Some of the lowest scores in the nation, with a high average wage?

Better strike about how we're not getting paid enough for our performance

That's not what they're striking about. Have a read through this.

http://www.ctunet.com/blog/excerpt/Contract_Bargaining_Updat e_8_22_2012.pdf

Here's some gems:

The Board is proposing to do away with 18 separate articles in the
contract that relate to details of our work day such as our class load, our breaks, and the nature of our
work assignments. These include Article 4 (Elementary School), 5 (Middle School), 6 (High School), 7
(Elementary School Counselors), 9 (PSRPs), etc. The Union is proposing language that would guarantee
that the Board follow their promises on prep time, staffing, and breaks.

Class Size: The Board is proposing that it continue following its current policy. The Union is seeking to
lower class sizes and make class size subject to effective enforcement.

Evaluation: The Board is proposing to implement a plan in which student test scores and surveys will
eventually be 50% of a teacherâEUTMs evaluation (by year 5). The Union is proposing a lower cap on âEUoeStudent
Growth Measures,âEU revisions to the âEUoecut scoresâEU that determine ratings (i.e., how many points are
required for a proficient rating) as well as an appeal process.

The UNION is seeking (1) the ability to grieve any disciplinary matters. Currently discipline is NOT
subject to appeal through the grievance procedure. The Union is also proposing to (2) eliminate unpaid
suspensions, (3) to require the Board to provide relevant documentation to our field staff prior to
hearings involving our members and (4) the removal of the âEUoeDo Not HireâEU designation.
The BOARD attempted to eliminate our long-standing definition of a grievance, place restrictions on
Union access to the schools, allow the Board to consolidate grievances at will, remove the requirement
for principals to attend grievance hearings and give us less time to file grievances while giving the Board
more time to respond.

The BOARD is still trying to remove the following articles completely: Article 4 (Elementary School), 5
(Middle School), 6 (High School), 7 (Elementary School Counselors), 8 (Professional Development
Teachers), 9 (PSRPs), 10 (Counselors), 11 (Driver Education Teachers), 13 (Extracurricular Personnel), 15
(Librarians), 16 (Physical Education Teachers), 17 (Playground Teachers), 19 (Psychologists), 20 (School
Social Workers), 21 (Special Education Teachers), 22 (Stadium Directors), 25 (Teacher Assistants), and
26 (School Nurses).

I support the teachers. Education is the absolute LAST place cuts should being made. Furthermore, to counter your point about low test scores, how is that the teacher's fault? The STUDENT is responsible for his own learning. If he doesn't do his homework, or doesn't study, or doesn't pay attention in class, how is that the teacher's fault? Or what about the kids in Chicago who live in dire poverty? How is it the fault of the teacher if a child can't or wont do his class work because he's busy worrying about his wretched home situation? If we pay teachers based on test scores, then all the good teachers will go to the rich kid schools and the D average teachers will teach in the slums. Then what are we left with? A well educated rich and an uneducated poor. Isn't it time for some actual PROGRESS?

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Response to The Chicago teachers are on strike 2012-09-13 20:34:03 Reply

At 9/10/12 06:05 PM, MrSoxfan wrote: The chicago teachers are on strike

AGAIN?


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Response to The Chicago teachers are on strike 2012-09-15 22:02:51 Reply

At 9/13/12 08:02 PM, WeHaveFreshCookies wrote: I support the teachers. Education is the absolute LAST place cuts should being made. Furthermore, to counter your point about low test scores, how is that the teacher's fault? The STUDENT is responsible for his own learning. If he doesn't do his homework, or doesn't study, or doesn't pay attention in class, how is that the teacher's fault?

There is such a thing as a bad teacher, and such a thing as an extremely good teacher, and I would have thought that peer evaluation cross referenced with student performance would be a much more accurate choice. Also such a thing as a shitty student, so I agree; having student test scores count for such a gigantic slice of a teachers evaluation is stupid.

Anyway, I was reading through the thread and wondering if anyone else actually read the article, considering they all decided to focus on the money. At least I know one person did.