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At 9/2/12 09:12 PM, 24901miles wrote: Music provides nothing substantial, it's a service and not a good.

AND WHAT THE FUCK MAKES YOU THINK YOU'RE SO FUCKING SPECIAL YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THIS MOTHER FUCKING SERVICE LIKE EVERY OTHER SANE PERSON ON THE PLANET

Please, for FUCKS sake, quit making yourself look like an inbred retard and just admit that you are completely wrong, what you're doing is wrong, and piracy, ILLEGALLY OBTAINING THEIR MUSIC, helps them in NO FUCKING WAY AT ALL

At 9/2/12 07:37 PM, Step wrote:

At 9/2/12 07:06 PM, Computer112 wrote: Music industry IS SO STARVING? How long did you live under the rock?

Of course the music industry is starving. We've got like a hundred or a few hundred highly rated artists and bands who are swimming in money (Skrillex, Linkin Park, Lady Gaga, Eminem), a fair amount of moderately popular artists who probably gain a good amount of money with their music, and then millions of musicians finding it extremely hard to get noticed. Sure, you'll need good business skills and strategies to get to the top, but piracy sure is making it a lot harder.

It's in human nature that when you face something you can't solve, find something else to blame.

If you KNOW Skrillex, Linkin Park, Lady Gaga, Eminem... make bucks out of "good business skills and strategies to get to the top" then why don't you shut up and do it?

Jeez, we get a lot of conformists around here.

It's practically impossible to throw viruses into music torrents (unless you throw in some hidden .exe or something). Music isn't massive in filesize unlike games and movies so it's very portable and easy to transfer. To top that, sites like YouTube to MP3, The Pirate Bay, etc... make it so easy to just download a track or album you like for free rather than paying for it.

Actually it's possible to inject malicious codes to audio file especially ogg & mp3, and this technique is older than you.

You have problem with people sharing things? Piracy was born out of this whole "sharing is caring". Someone bought an album, a friend listened to it and wanted to get one. As a good friend, would you share it? Or point your fatty finger at him/her and shout "Go get it yourself." Unless you are forever alone.

2 days ago, I just spent a few hundreds of buck on Hollywood Brass, bust the iLok and distribute it on P2P, for free and ask no return except respects.

Like many other said, we share because we care and can do it. Simple.

Piracy is a problem. It's absolutely ridiculous trying to justify free, illegal downloads without consent from the musician in question and then say it's so hard to get to the top because you're not employing good business strategies. Piracy massively impedes the progress of an aspiring musician and while good business strategies are vital, piracy is a big obstacle for musicians, artists in general... even software and game developers.

Piracy is ALWAYS a problem no matter what you pirate. Up to the time that it is normal to go parallel with legitimate activities.

No offense but what where you thinking when you join your LogicalDefiance company? Were you expecting the business is just a piece of cheese cake? If every single business on this world is so fucking easy like yours then hundred thousands of people world wide wouldn't get laid off, would they?

Please stop blaming on shit that you don't fully understand. And don't even talk about game/software.

How to remove it? It's impossible to remove it completely. You can shut down sites like TPB and YouTube2MP3 but there's nothing stopping people from throwing music they bought in a ZIP archive and distributing it to their friends, or getting some sort of program that records sound output from your computer to rip music from music previews or YouTube videos. But piracy can still be reduced.

Fact: TPB is already whining on its copycat sites. In fact the TPB database has been mirrored over a few thousands of time, good luck with shutting down it unless you plan to arrest the whole Internet. Put this in your mind:

The more you oppress people, the more they rise.

Of course I won't just r00t MPAA for vengeance but I'm sure someone else will do it. A lot of "Someone Else".

But yeah, piracy is wrong. I'm baffled by the amount of people here trying to justify it and at this point I think these efforts to justify it are largely drawn from the greedy truth that people simply like free stuff and don't want piracy to go away.

We don't have to worry about piracy disappears because practically it can't. But we do have to worry about little musicians like you get sunk deeper in the shits with his narrowed mind.

Jeez, we get a lot of conformists around here.

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Fucking conformists.

At 9/2/12 09:25 PM, Xenomit wrote: AND WHAT THE FUCK MAKES YOU THINK YOU'RE SO FUCKING SPECIAL YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THIS MOTHER FUCKING SERVICE LIKE EVERY OTHER SANE PERSON ON THE PLANET

Please, for FUCKS sake, quit making yourself look like an inbred retard and just admit that you are completely wrong, what you're doing is wrong, and piracy, ILLEGALLY OBTAINING THEIR MUSIC, helps them in NO FUCKING WAY AT ALL

Jesus fucking Christ!! Please, just calm the fuck down.

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At 9/2/12 09:38 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: because it's free and I can. speaking of which I have to get to start Pirating some Wutang and ACDC.

I have some songs, which ones you looking for?

At 9/2/12 09:38 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

At 9/2/12 09:25 PM, Xenomit wrote: AND WHAT THE FUCK MAKES YOU THINK YOU'RE SO FUCKING SPECIAL YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THIS MOTHER FUCKING SERVICE LIKE EVERY OTHER SANE PERSON ON THE PLANET

because it's free and I can. speaking of which I have to get to start Pirating some Wutang and ACDC.

Lets see... Pay $1000s for the entire Adobe suite, or spend 10 minutes pirating it for free?

HMM YES, I WONDER, HMM WHICH SHOULD I DO, YES HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Lets see... Pay $1000s for the entire Adobe suite, or spend 10 minutes pirating it for free?

HMM YES, I WONDER, HMM WHICH SHOULD I DO, YES HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

The morally right choice is often the harder one. It's clear what kind of person you are.

It would be really hipster if somebody said that the Pirate Bay is overrated and that you should use other torrent sites

the truth is TPB is a very good site

At 9/2/12 09:41 PM, OwnageGiy223 wrote: Lets see... Pay $1000s for the entire Adobe suite, or spend 10 minutes pirating it for free?

HMM YES, I WONDER, HMM WHICH SHOULD I DO, YES HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Lets see... Pay $1000s for a 52 inch plasma screen tv, or spend (I dunno, a day maybe) stealing it for free

in other words, you're a fucking shit bag, and you don't deserve to be protected from nature by modern civilization

At 9/2/12 09:24 PM, Step wrote: And it's all harder to gain the necessary funds to make investments such as advertising when there's piracy messing everything up.

Do you even check out fact before popping shits out of your mind? You are truly a cave-dueler.

Many artists use piracy to advertise their music. In fact TPB promote amateur artists from world wide, from all kinds of genre. They have been doing this with musicians for over a year. https://thepiratebay.se/promo

Ain't this a good business skill and strategy?

There's orchestral, for example. Do you think orchestral composers are going to hire whole orchestras to perform for them? Now THAT is a big investment. Trance is hard to perform live unless you know what you're doing and have good equipment. I'm just providing two examples, but there are countless other situations where performing live simply isn't feasible. And performing live in itself often requires investments and funding anyway. Where will the musician get that money from? Piracy certainly isn't helping in that department.

Like you bragged above, business. You need investments, strategy and plans on shit you want to gain while calculate stuff that you are going to lose. It's no matter how fucking skillful you are but you don't know how to do business in proper way then you are busted.

It doesn't matter what genre. Stop pulling excuses out to defend your blindspot. In fact many electronic & orchestra musicians started out from piracy root. I'm talking about warez, demo & tracker scene. Takes Deadmau5 for trance? Or Jesper Kyd, Warder (Vera Norilo) or Purple Motion, for orchestra.

Some musicians just want to sell their music online to earn them a living without having to worry about some bastards posting it up for free and luring potential customers away from the purchase. As I've said before, if the musicians themselves think that free distribution will help them exposure-wise, then it's their choice whether to incorporate it through some sort of name-your-price deal or not. Having other people choose for them is totally not respecting the rights of the musician's ownership of the music and will almost definitely make it harder for the musician to actually get anywhere.

People who sells shit online are those who waits for low hang fruits to happen. If you are fucking serious about your music business then you should be actively get notice, not sitting in a basement and wag on Starcraft.

As usual, I'm happy to be the 'bastard' you described here. I like to share.

1) Music industries are not starving, but they do starve their own musicians. Do you agree?

2) People steal all of the time, may it be a physical object or a mental subject. Do you agree?

3) You always hear about cities, states and countries that are in poverty, but you never hear about the music industries. Agreed?

4) There are more people that legitimately buys something than those that pirate that something. Would you agree?

5) Piracy is based on a false premise of value that does not actually exist. Ideas do not have an ownership. Agreed?

6) Are you actually stealing from other people? Or is this another societal lie based entirely off of greed? Yes or no.

5) Piracy is based on a false premise of value that does not actually exist. Ideas do not have an ownership. Agreed?

It's called copyright.

At 9/2/12 10:05 PM, Darthdenim wrote: 5) Piracy is based on a false premise of value that does not actually exist. Ideas do not have an ownership. Agreed?

It's called copyright.

Ideas might not have ownership, but what can total up to hundreds of hours of hard ass work does

At 9/2/12 06:26 AM, Step wrote:

At 9/2/12 05:51 AM, Decky wrote: Who cares about the musician? They get enough money from other things then sales, if somebody likes their music chances are they'll see them live, that can't be pirated and you have to pay. Unless you have broke into a festival but that is unlikely. I doubt most musicians really care about piracy.

That logic is highly flawed. Piracy is probably reason #1 why the music industry is so starved today. I can assure you that a musician does not want to see the music he worked hard on to make a living with distributed illegally and for free on a site without his consent.

Also I highly doubt people download music illegally after seeing the musician live most of the time. Usually, people hear a song on the radio or a friend shows them a song through YouTube, they like it and find a way to download it for free. Whoever pirates must come to terms with the fact that s/he is doing something illegal, unfair and will not be able to justify it. You are not sharing when you're pirating. In a world that's run by earning money, that's called stealing.

I'm going to have to disagree with this post.

Record labels make money off of the sales and the artists generally get most of their money off of merchandise and live shows. That's why tickets are so expensive. It's how the artists make there money. A vast majority of CD sales goes directly to the label.

Then again, this can vary by contract.

wat if 2 stop piracy we make the pirate bay make people pay for the things they pirate

wat do u guys think

I don't even care about piracy, but I can't stand when people not only convince themselves that piracy is in no way illegal, but convince themselves that they are somehow doing God's work by sharing copyrighted material.

At 9/2/12 10:05 PM, Darthdenim wrote: 5) Piracy is based on a false premise of value that does not actually exist. Ideas do not have an ownership. Agreed?

It's called copyright.

1) Copyright is created by the same mind that creates the ideas that we have created the imaginary system (copyright) to protect. Agreed?

2) Absorbing other people's ideas and interpersonal values is a part of human nature. Yes or no?

At 9/2/12 10:11 PM, Darthdenim wrote: I don't even care about piracy, but I can't stand when people not only convince themselves that piracy is in no way illegal, but convince themselves that they are somehow doing God's work by sharing copyrighted material.

This, in so many ways

At 9/2/12 04:31 AM, DevinArcane wrote: You're happy that someone will be put behind bars longer than murderers and rapists for selling other's intellectual property?

Long live this shitty world, I guess.

Seriously, a rapist got 15 years in prison, while the founder of MegaUpload got 50 years, I guess money > actual crimes.

At 9/2/12 10:06 PM, Xenomit wrote:

At 9/2/12 10:05 PM, Darthdenim wrote: 5) Piracy is based on a false premise of value that does not actually exist. Ideas do not have an ownership. Agreed?

It's called copyright.

Ideas might not have ownership, but what can total up to hundreds of hours of hard ass work does

1.1) What is to blame? The system or the people of the system?

1.2) If you want to improve the payments of the musicians, then piracy is not the problem, it is the people that manage the musicians and their music under shady contracts and business ethics. Would you agree?

At 9/2/12 09:44 PM, Xenomit wrote::

Lets see... Pay $1000s for a 52 inch plasma screen tv, or spend (I dunno, a day maybe) stealing it for free

At 9/2/12 09:44 PM, Darthdenim wrote: The morally right choice is often the harder one. It's clear what kind of person you are.

You're both implying that I care.

Also, the difference is that when stealing a plasma screen, the owner no longer has it, and will never get it back. By stealing music, I'm making a copy of said song, and keeping it for myself. The owner still has his. It costs nothing to make another copy of a song. It does cost money to remake the TV I stole.

Also, don't bother replying, because again, I don't care. At all. In any way.

We live in an age where it's ridiculously easy to pirate, bootleg, copy, or recreate anything thanks to computers and the internet. I don't think anyone deserves a jail sentence or to be fined an exorbitant amount just for illegally downloading movies or music.

Last I heard, a graduate from wherever got fined $600k for illegally downloading 13 songs. He wasn't sharing the songs or anything, was just lucky enough to get caught and downloaded from an FBI sting file. Now I understand the Feds think he's pirating and stealing or whatever.

But why can't he just pay the actual price per song instead of inflated punishing prices that are asked for by music companies and their lawyers?

I hope more people set up sites like Pirate Bay but in areas where there isn't a law for pirating. The internet is suppose to have freedom and privacy. I think it's ridiculous that just because movie/music companies are crying wolf and being able to convince/pay off the Feds to create a witch hunt that more resources go to talking internet files than trying to prevent murder or focusing on poor areas of the country.

You're both implying that I care.

Also, the difference is that when stealing a plasma screen, the owner no longer has it, and will never get it back. By stealing music, I'm making a copy of said song, and keeping it for myself. The owner still has his. It costs nothing to make another copy of a song. It does cost money to remake the TV I stole.

Also, don't bother replying, because again, I don't care. At all. In any way.

Just say that you like getting shit for free.

Don't try and justify it with your mental gymnastics. Just admit that you are addicted to free stuff.

Fuck this, first went BTJunkie. Then, Demonoid. Now ThePirateBay too?

Where else can I continue to distribute our warez? EastWest products are fucking gigantic dinosaurs. Hollywood Strings only get like 12 seeds. Sites like TPB only has constant seeders.

I don't want to go back to darknet or Onion net. :(

At 9/2/12 10:22 PM, Darthdenim wrote:
Just say that you like getting shit for free.

Don't try and justify it with your mental gymnastics. Just admit that you are addicted to free stuff.

No shit, Sherlock. I know I'm stealing music, games, and movies. My point was, comparing tangible theft to digital theft is a logical fallacy. Also, how can I be "addicted to free stuff"? I usually just delete pirated movies and games when I finish them or get bored with them. I don't pirate just to pirate. I pirate things that look interesting or fun to me, then drop them when they cease to be.

At 9/2/12 04:31 AM, DevinArcane wrote: You're happy that someone will be put behind bars longer than murderers and rapists for selling other's intellectual property?

Long live this shitty world, I guess.

You win the internet and many virgins.

At 9/2/12 10:26 PM, OwnageGiy223 wrote:

No shit, Sherlock. I know I'm stealing music, games, and movies. My point was, comparing tangible theft to digital theft is a logical fallacy. Also, how can I be "addicted to free stuff"? I usually just delete pirated movies and games when I finish them or get bored with them. I don't pirate just to pirate. I pirate things that look interesting or fun to me, then drop them when they cease to be.

Well then I don't know what to tell you, man. I see nobody can convince you that you are breaking the law.