Matriarchy, what would it be like?

[naronic]

We all know we live in a male dominated society, to the dismay of the feminists, but I always wondered what it would be for the other way around.

Women getting frowned upon by masculists for domestic violence etc.
Men getting paid less than women, or ending up with less decisive jobs.
Rap music about women picking up cheap boys at the club?
Fat men leading absolutely miserable lives of ridicule from frat girls.
Men ending up in beauty magazines, thus pressuring other men to get plastic surgery and pump steroids to keep up.

would the sociological tables completely turn?

[naronic]

bump

[Korriken]

same shit, different genitals would be the best way i can think to describe it.

[X-Gary-Gigax-X]

Sounds like society would be run like a hyena pack, where the female hyena is bigger, meaner, and has both male and female organs.

That's assuming there really is such a thing as "patriarchy" or "matriarchy"

[Entice]

Women wouldn't act like that because they're not the socially dominant gender.
For that to happen you'd basically have to swap out genitals and keep everything else the same.

[Dawnslayer]

At 9/2/12 03:26 PM, GuerrilleroHeroico wrote: Women wouldn't act like that because they're not the socially dominant gender.
For that to happen you'd basically have to swap out genitals and keep everything else the same.

So your answer to the question "what would the world be like if women were the socially dominant gender" is that nothing would change because women aren't not the socially dominant gender?

Makes perfect sense.

[Entice]

At 9/2/12 04:55 PM, Dawnslayer wrote: Makes perfect sense.

I meant that psychologically I don't think that women could fill that role. The only way for it to happen is if women were just like men and vice versa, so nothing would really change.

[Brae]

In this hypothetical magical world, women would need to produce a lot more testosterone, and a lot less estrogen which would allow them to build more muscle and increase their aggression. And men would need to swap out their hormones as well, or they'd be just as aggressive and resist this world. It's very contrary to natural design, because one dominant woman sleeping with lots of submissive men can only produce about one child every year on the average, while one dominant male can impregnate many women.

A woman with a boatload of testosterone in her system would probably find full contact sports a lot more satisfying than all of those identical crying movies on the Hallmark channel, would be driven to be more career oriented and earn enough to support her family, and so on. There wouldn't be many significant ways this world would be different than the current world, except for the genders just swapping places.

Now, if this hypothetical world were to magically happen tomorrow, rather than assuming humanity had always been reversed like this, things would be a little more interesting. Because the genders wouldn't automatically acquire the other one's skills or preferences. Women who were suddenly more dominant and manly wouldn't stop liking Gray's Anatomy, forget how to cook, start hating their kids, or forget how to change a diaper, nor would they automatically acqure engienering and law degrees and suddenly have jobs or skills that make them empoyable in traditional male roles. And men wouldn't suddenly forget their skills and acquire domestic ones. I think in this second hypothetical world, you'd just have a lot of unhappy people in roles that don't agree with their hormone levels.

[Camarohusky]

A bunch of single men discussing that for women to rule the world they would need to be more like men...

Women don't need to be like men to rule the world. That's stupid. As they are right now, women have a shitload more power than you guys know. It would be very easy under our current circumstances for women to become the dominant gender. They do not need brute force or aggressiveness to achieve or remain in power.

There are other ways to control people.

[Brae]

At 9/4/12 11:24 AM, Camarohusky wrote: A bunch of single men discussing that for women to rule the world they would need to be more like men...

Women don't need to be like men to rule the world. That's stupid. As they are right now, women have a shitload more power than you guys know. It would be very easy under our current circumstances for women to become the dominant gender. They do not need brute force or aggressiveness to achieve or remain in power.

There are other ways to control people.

The topic is a "female-dominated society," where maladjusted women beat their male spouses, men are discriminated against in the workplace and paid less, etc. Not whether, in general, women have power. I get my ass handed to me by powerful, willful female attorneys regularly, who make more money than I do and work at more prestigeous firms, and command all manner of male underlings at their workplace. But "other wasy to control people" (e.g., pulling strings via intelligent manipulation) isn't something exclusive to women (I dare say many men are better at this), and it's a far cry from a female-dominated society. Men control other men (and women) just as often, if not moreso, and just as easily, if not moreso, than crafty women do.

[ScrumTurd]

Ah the gender debate.
Adsiduis argumentum ad hominem - how I missed thee.
What's so interesting about this mass psychosis?
Like a chinese finger trap it confirms it's own premise and exacerbates it's conclusions in one move.
It must have been designed by a genius.

Would you care to back up your premise "we live in a male dominated society"?
I'm male, according to your argument, I have more power, money and influence than women.
I'm free from stereotypes, discrimination and objectification.
The media doesn't tell me how to look, feel or behave.
Nor do my colleagues, employers or friends.
Oh wait a minute, no I don't and yes they do.
But apparently gender issues only apply to women, darn.
Maybe I should suck it up like a real man, take responsibility for being born male.
And accept the blame, every time a woman wants to project her insecurities on to all men and by extension, me.

As far as I'm aware, matriarchal societies were just as violent and slave-powered as their contemporaneous counterparts.
But alas, I must search my soul, what would I do if the tables were turned?
I guess would join some overtly biased human rights group and demand privilege above my own merit.
Raise my kids to be power hungry women haters.
And make sweeping generalizations about 'society'.
Or if I genuinely cared about equality, I might derive my arguments from reason and facts rather than repeating self fulfilling prophecies from the '70s.

FYI: women in the games industry make more money than men.
There is no legislation demanding this.
They are more valuable in this industry.

See also
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNWFX48anik
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

[joe9320]

Try living in Indonesia. Minangkabau people have this.