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I am almost done with her skin, after which will be the clothes. Also, I redirected the hair detailing, as JackDaGreatest pointed, so thanks so much for that. Really appreciate the favor on that one!

At 11/13/12 08:30 PM, HiryuGouki wrote: I am almost done with her skin, after which will be the clothes. Also, I redirected the hair detailing, as JackDaGreatest pointed, so thanks so much for that. Really appreciate the favor on that one!

Can you please complete something, it's rather hard to judge and critique an incomplete work. I wanna say that I feel that the skin and hair conflict with each other just by the way it's painted but I cannot be sure until it's done. I also noticed in another comment of your's you said that you were gonna stick this in a background, I don't think that's the wise thing to do because in my opinion it's much harder to make a background's shading/lighting to match a character/object than vice-versa.

At 11/13/12 09:52 PM, TheLulzyArtist wrote:

At 11/13/12 08:30 PM, HiryuGouki wrote:

Can you please complete something, it's rather hard to judge and critique an incomplete work. I wanna say that I feel that the skin and hair conflict with each other just by the way it's painted but I cannot be sure until it's done. I also noticed in another comment of your's you said that you were gonna stick this in a background, I don't think that's the wise thing to do because in my opinion it's much harder to make a background's shading/lighting to match a character/object than vice-versa.

I've already made a concept sketch for that. Also, how would you shade the skin, might I ask? I like the way it's turning out so far, but a little bit of advice wouldn't hurt.

At 11/13/12 10:28 PM, HiryuGouki wrote:

At 11/13/12 09:52 PM, TheLulzyArtist wrote:

At 11/13/12 08:30 PM, HiryuGouki wrote:

Can you please complete something, it's rather hard to judge and critique an incomplete work. I wanna say that I feel that the skin and hair conflict with each other just by the way it's painted but I cannot be sure until it's done. I also noticed in another comment of your's you said that you were gonna stick this in a background, I don't think that's the wise thing to do because in my opinion it's much harder to make a background's shading/lighting to match a character/object than vice-versa.

I've already made a concept sketch for that. Also, how would you shade the skin, might I ask? I like the way it's turning out so far, but a little bit of advice wouldn't hurt.

A concept sketch isn't a complete work. And I pretty much told you that I would shade based on the surroundings. You've already received critiques on the hair and nobody can truly give you advice on the skin because you said it yourself it is not done. It's like trying to judge a cake that hasn't been mixed and baked yet, if you don't put all of the ingredients together it will taste odd with missing components. All I'm saying is finish up the character so people can see all of the flaws at once and point them out.

At 11/13/12 11:26 PM, KaDoYuu wrote:

At 11/13/12 10:28 PM, HiryuGouki wrote:

a little bit of advice wouldn't hurt.

I'll definitely keep that in mind. Though, isn't there another way to construct a pose other than using a skeleton that's a little...simpler?

Just dropping by to actually (hopefully) give honest tips for a change.
http://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/blud-shot/male-anatomy-back-reference?context=ratings:e t.search:anatomy.offset:8http://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/blud-shot/female-anatomy-front-reference?context=rating s:et.search:anatomy.offset:6http://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/blud-shot/male-anatomy-side-reference?context=ratings:e t.search:anatomy.offset:7http://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/blud-shot/male-anatomy-front-reference?context=ratings:
et.search:anatomy.offset:9http://aniruddha.deviantart.com/art/Basic-Shapes-for-Pose-Dr awing-168258422
http://bittersweetdisease.deviantart.com/art/UNDERSTANDING-A NATOMY-part-II-244656865

Hope this helps a little.

At 11/14/12 10:36 AM, Amaranthus wrote: Just dropping by to actually (hopefully) give honest tips for a change.
http://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/blud-shot/male-anatomy-ba ck-reference search:anatomy.offset:8http://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/bl ud-shot/female-anatomy-front-reference et.search:anatomy.offset:6http://www.newgrounds.com/art/view /blud-shot/male-anatomy-side-reference context=ratings:e t.search:anatomy.offset:7http://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/

blud-shot/male-anatomy-front-reference
et.search:anatomy.offset:9http://aniruddha.deviantart.com/ar t/Basic-Shapes-for-Pose-Drawing

http://bittersweetdisease.deviantart.com/art/UNDERSTANDING-A NATOMY-part-II-244656865

Hope this helps a little.

let me try that again

At 11/14/12 10:38 AM, Amaranthus wrote:

At 11/14/12 10:36 AM, Amaranthus wrote:

Hope this helps a little.

let me try that again

I give up, apologies.

At 11/14/12 10:39 AM, Amaranthus wrote:

At 11/14/12 10:38 AM, Amaranthus wrote:

At 11/14/12 10:36 AM, Amaranthus wrote:

Hope this helps a little.

let me try that again

I give up, apologies.

It's fine. I found one of the links that works, and I have to say that I am quite surprised that I didn't think of that method earlier.

At 11/14/12 12:43 PM, Otto wrote:

At 11/14/12 10:27 AM, HiryuGouki wrote: Though, isn't there another way that's a little...simpler?

Nope. You wanna get better, you work harder.

Agreed, but there's always an easier route to get what needs to get done done. Does it still require hard work? Tons. So while the method is easier, the amount of drawing you will be doing will be more or less the same.

At 11/14/12 12:43 PM, Otto wrote:

At 11/14/12 10:27 AM, HiryuGouki wrote: Though, isn't there another way that's a little...simpler?

Nope. You wanna get better, you work harder.

You do realize that it's possible to simplify the framework, right? Yeah, I'm willing to bet you do, so why not simply tell him?

At 11/14/12 06:23 PM, Otto wrote: Obviously there are easier ways to look at structuring the frame of a body; I would cite Andrew Loomis as a source that needed no other references really, unless you wanted the comfort of plenty of sources.

All of Andrew Loomis' books can be downloaded here for free as .pdfs and the one you want is Figure Drawing For All It's Worth. Although really, you want it all, because it's all good good good good stuff.

Why is it that everyone and their mom constantly give loomis as generic art advise, there are way better artists to study and he's not the end all be all of art skill. Glen Vilpu, Burne Hogarth, Bridgeman,Nicolaides or for Hiryu the McDonalds coloring books, which i'm sure he won't even finish coloring until first he posts them here 5 times asking for advice and not taking it.

Obviously there are easier ways to look at structuring the frame of a body; I would cite Andrew Loomis as a source that needed no other references really, unless you wanted the comfort of plenty of sources.

All of Andrew Loomis' books can be downloaded here for free as .pdfs and the one you want is Figure Drawing For All It's Worth. Although really, you want it all, because it's all good good good good stuff.

I'll definitely check it out, and after I am done with this painting I am working on, I will definitely be doing a shit ton o' pose practice.

I had no idea that was the case. Still, his guidance is very structured towards from-the-ground-up learning, and it's all very easy on the eye (and pretty hilarious, some of the outdated terminology present in the books). Sorry I didn't name drop the ones you know of. I am actually salivating at Vilppu.

Haha all good dude, nothing personal i just get sick of hearing bout circlehead loomis, Vilppu is amazing when learning life drawing, he puts so much info into his lessons i cant survive more than 2 at a time my head hurts too much haha

At 11/14/12 08:17 PM, Lucky wrote:
Haha all good dude, nothing personal i just get sick of hearing bout circlehead loomis, Vilppu is amazing when learning life drawing, he puts so much info into his lessons i cant survive more than 2 at a time my head hurts too much haha

Who is this Vilppu person?

At 11/14/12 08:17 PM, Lucky wrote:

Haha all good dude, nothing personal i just get sick of hearing bout circlehead loomis, Vilppu is amazing when learning life drawing, he puts so much info into his lessons i cant survive more than 2 at a time my head hurts too much haha

I've actually torrented a full 3 day course in human anatomy, and have been bing practicing to reach that level. Hvae you guys ever heard of Neil Fontaine?

At 11/14/12 09:22 PM, Absinthe wrote:

At 11/14/12 08:17 PM, Lucky wrote:

Haha all good dude, nothing personal i just get sick of hearing bout circlehead loomis, Vilppu is amazing when learning life drawing, he puts so much info into his lessons i cant survive more than 2 at a time my head hurts too much haha

I've actually torrented a full 3 day course in human anatomy, and have been bing practicing to reach that level. Hvae you guys ever heard of Neil Fontaine?

I am skeptical about this Neil Fontaine guy, but I do want to improve. You sure he's not just there to run away with my money?

I've actually torrented a full 3 day course in human anatomy, and have been bing practicing to reach that level. Hvae you guys ever heard of Neil Fontaine?

his cartooning skills look preeeeeeeeetty bad.

At 11/14/12 10:40 PM, Lucky wrote:

I've actually torrented a full 3 day course in human anatomy, and have been bing practicing to reach that level. Hvae you guys ever heard of Neil Fontaine?

his cartooning skills look preeeeeeeeetty bad.

Not just that, most of his videos are... well, deleted (or photo manipulations)

At 11/14/12 10:40 PM, Lucky wrote:

I've actually torrented a full 3 day course in human anatomy, and have been bing practicing to reach that level. Hvae you guys ever heard of Neil Fontaine?

his cartooning skills look preeeeeeeeetty bad.

Well he's the first person that made me actually appreciate the basics. I sift through his crap tutorials for his gesture/painting ones. The more knowledge you have, the more you have in your arsenal of techniques.

I don't believe in hero worship.

At 11/14/12 11:14 PM, Escalus wrote:

At 11/14/12 10:40 PM, Lucky wrote:

I've actually torrented a full 3 day course in human anatomy, and have been bing practicing to reach that level. Hvae you guys ever heard of Neil Fontaine?

his cartooning skills look preeeeeeeeetty bad.

Not just that, most of his videos are... well, deleted (or photo manipulations)

I see...Just some scumbag scammer looking to get money. Typical. Fucking typical and to think I nearly trusted his ad.

At 11/15/12 12:38 AM, HiryuGouki wrote:

I see...Just some scumbag scammer looking to get money. Typical. Fucking typical and to think I nearly trusted his ad.

You know it won't give you a virus to check one of his videos

I'm not going to argue, but denying a source because you believe he's a "scammer" without legitimate information is asinine. It doesn't take a lot of willpower to click on and watch a 20 minute video that could help you learn how to paint.

Burne Hogarth is worth a look. I used him a bunch for anatomy back in school and still think its great stuff

I am hoping this perspective is correct. This is just a sort of plan from a perspective standpoint. I didn't include the knight because I want to paint him first before I work on the background. For him, I know the light source is going to be the opposite of the archer, and since I can't paint him while he's facing right, it's going to be one hell of a mind game (my brain does not like working with things facing right, so I will have to end up flipping the image).