Sega Saturn

[OreganoKicker]

Does anyone remember the Sega Saturn? Sure it wasn't as amazing as the Playstation, but I still enjoyed it. I still have fond memories of playing Command & Conquer, Sonic Jam, and Resident Evil. Too bad Sega stopped making consoles.

[koopahermit]

SONIC R WAS TEH BE$T GAEM EVAR!

[qbitdubs]

Well done, you've done it now. I'm going to be singing this everywhere i go for the next couple of weeks.

[Dean]

I have a Sega Saturn and I must say, it's probably one of my least favourite consoles in my collection. The controller feels like it belongs in the previous generation and the library of games for it, at least the ones I've encountered, aren't all that great.

Having said that, it is one of the systems I wish I had more games for, just to see if there are many decent games on it. Seems a lot of the best ones were Jap exclusives.

[tyler2513]

Other than the poor library the console looks capable of some great games, to bad it's most memorable ones seem to be just poorer versions of PS1 or N64 games.

[FlockMastaBack]

At 8/29/12 04:55 PM, tyler2513 wrote: Other than the poor library the console looks capable of some great games, to bad it's most memorable ones seem to be just poorer versions of PS1 or N64 games.

Yeah, Guardian Heroes, Dragon Force, NiGHTs, Panzer Dragoon series, and Shining series are much better played on the other consoles.

[tyler2513]

At 8/29/12 05:04 PM, FlockMastaBack wrote:

At 8/29/12 04:55 PM, tyler2513 wrote: Other than the poor library the console looks capable of some great games, to bad it's most memorable ones seem to be just poorer versions of PS1 or N64 games.

Yeah, Guardian Heroes, Dragon Force, NiGHTs, Panzer Dragoon series, and Shining series are much better played on the other consoles.

I never said every single fucking game that ever was released on the console didn't master it as well as other consoles, I just said it's more memorable (A.K.A the majority of it's library) were not as well done on the Sega Saturn.

[FlockMastaBack]

At 8/29/12 05:07 PM, tyler2513 wrote:

At 8/29/12 05:04 PM, FlockMastaBack wrote:

At 8/29/12 04:55 PM, tyler2513 wrote: Other than the poor library the console looks capable of some great games, to bad it's most memorable ones seem to be just poorer versions of PS1 or N64 games.

Yeah, Guardian Heroes, Dragon Force, NiGHTs, Panzer Dragoon series, and Shining series are much better played on the other consoles.

I never said every single fucking game that ever was released on the console didn't master it as well as other consoles, I just said it's more memorable (A.K.A the majority of it's library) were not as well done on the Sega Saturn.

And those are by far the most memorable titles on the console, according to majority opinion. Look at any top Saturn games list and at least 3/5 of those will be in the top 10.

[tyler2513]

At 8/29/12 05:14 PM, FlockMastaBack wrote:

At 8/29/12 05:07 PM, tyler2513 wrote:

At 8/29/12 05:04 PM, FlockMastaBack wrote:

At 8/29/12 04:55 PM, tyler2513 wrote: Other than the poor library the console looks capable of some great games, to bad it's most memorable ones seem to be just poorer versions of PS1 or N64 games.

Yeah, Guardian Heroes, Dragon Force, NiGHTs, Panzer Dragoon series, and Shining series are much better played on the other consoles.

I never said every single fucking game that ever was released on the console didn't master it as well as other consoles, I just said it's more memorable (A.K.A the majority of it's library) were not as well done on the Sega Saturn.

And those are by far the most memorable titles on the console, according to majority opinion. Look at any top Saturn games list and at least 3/5 of those will be in the top 10.

Yes but you also seem to be forgetting these are exclusives therefore they do not have any counterpart to compete with whatsoever but I'm sure if there was a PS1 version of Guardian Heroes or maybe even some of the Shining games I'm sure it would have been just as good.

[FlockMastaBack]

At 8/29/12 05:31 PM, tyler2513 wrote: Yes but you also seem to be forgetting these are exclusives therefore they do not have any counterpart to compete with whatsoever but I'm sure if there was a PS1 version of Guardian Heroes or maybe even some of the Shining games I'm sure it would have been just as good.

The Saturn was much better for 2D games than the PS1, so Guardian Heroes would definitely be inferior. Also, what the fuck? Your initial point was the alleged lack of exclusives, if I'm interpreting it correctly.

[tyler2513]

At 8/29/12 05:44 PM, FlockMastaBack wrote:

At 8/29/12 05:31 PM, tyler2513 wrote: Yes but you also seem to be forgetting these are exclusives therefore they do not have any counterpart to compete with whatsoever but I'm sure if there was a PS1 version of Guardian Heroes or maybe even some of the Shining games I'm sure it would have been just as good.

The Saturn was much better for 2D games than the PS1, so Guardian Heroes would definitely be inferior. Also, what the fuck? Your initial point was the alleged lack of exclusives, if I'm interpreting it correctly.

Yeah, those four or five exclusives do not make up for shit all. Every other console in that generation had a few DOZEN exclusives to fall back on, but my initial points was lack of exclusives (which it has) and the fact that it's 3rd party games aren't as good when compared to PS1/N64 versions.

[OreganoKicker]

At 8/29/12 04:55 PM, tyler2513 wrote: Other than the poor library the console looks capable of some great games, to bad it's most memorable ones seem to be just poorer versions of PS1 or N64 games.

I do agree with this. Games like Panzer Dragoon and Mega Man 8 just seem to play better on the Playstation. However, some ports, like Resident Evil, still seem great on Sega Saturn. It's sad that Sega Saturn didn't have many exclusives or that many amazing ports.

Nights Into Dreams was a great exclusive though.

[Cootie]

Nobody I knew even had a Saturn, and from all of the online videos I have seen of it the library looks anemic. Probably the worst Sega console made.

[FlockMastaBack]

At 8/29/12 06:01 PM, tyler2513 wrote: Yeah, those four or five exclusives do not make up for shit all. Every other console in that generation had a few DOZEN exclusives to fall back on, but my initial points was lack of exclusives (which it has) and the fact that it's 3rd party games aren't as good when compared to PS1/N64 versions.

I was giving the primary exclusives, you fucking dolt. And even if those were the only exclusives, that wouldn't change the fact that you completely contradicted yourself.

[tyler2513]

At 8/29/12 07:51 PM, FlockMastaBack wrote:

At 8/29/12 06:01 PM, tyler2513 wrote: Yeah, those four or five exclusives do not make up for shit all. Every other console in that generation had a few DOZEN exclusives to fall back on, but my initial points was lack of exclusives (which it has) and the fact that it's 3rd party games aren't as good when compared to PS1/N64 versions.

I was giving the primary exclusives, you fucking dolt. And even if those were the only exclusives, that wouldn't change the fact that you completely contradicted yourself.

Ok Mr. Pissy Pants, let's take a look here. I said the Saturn wasn't that great because it's library and any legitimate user has to agree that Saturn's library was weak if anything. Then I stated all it's games were mostly better played on different consoles and that it barely had any exclusives. So let's the "fucking dolt" dumb things down for you:
Does the Saturn have a weak library: Durp!!
Most of it's games are better ported on other consoles: Quite true.
The console lacks exclusives: Hmmm, gee this is a toughie.

[SineRider]

At 8/29/12 07:03 PM, Cootie wrote: Nobody I knew even had a Saturn, and from all of the online videos I have seen of it the library looks anemic. Probably the worst Sega console made.

Never played one and don't know any of the games? THIS CONSOLE IS AWFUL!!!

[FlockMastaBack]

At 8/30/12 04:50 PM, tyler2513 wrote: Ok Mr. Pissy Pants, let's take a look here. I said the Saturn wasn't that great because it's library and any legitimate user has to agree that Saturn's library was weak if anything. Then I stated all it's games were mostly better played on different consoles and that it barely had any exclusives. So let's the "fucking dolt" dumb things down for you:
Does the Saturn have a weak library: Durp!!

Not necessarily that weak; almost the same as the N64, the Saturn's library being a lot more diverse. Also haha wow derp I love old internet terms. :-)

Most of it's games are better ported on other consoles: Quite true.

Not the 2d games, AKA a good 50% of its library.

The console lacks exclusives: Hmmm, gee this is a toughie.

Once again, there's plenty of good exclusives, nowhere near as quantitative as the PS1, but a handful nonetheless.

[tyler2513]

At 8/30/12 06:54 PM, FlockMastaBack wrote:

At 8/30/12 04:50 PM, tyler2513 wrote: Does the Saturn have a weak library: Durp!!

Not necessarily that weak; almost the same as the N64, the Saturn's library being a lot more diverse. Also haha wow derp I love old internet terms. :-)

Yes, but the N64 had quite a few of strong franchises to fall back on like DK64, Super Mario 64, Star Fox 64, Super Smash Bros, Kirby 64 and quite a few others.

Most of it's games are better ported on other consoles: Quite true.

Not the 2d games, AKA a good 50% of its library.

Also true but the console was supposed to be a promising step towards 3D gaming as was shown with Sonic Jam.

The console lacks exclusives: Hmmm, gee this is a toughie.

Once again, there's plenty of good exclusives, nowhere near as quantitative as the PS1, but a handful nonetheless.

I'm interested in the exclusives I do know of but the main problem with the Saturn's exclusive games is there mostly all to hard to find and many of them considered rare, such as the rare collectible Dragon Force. The few times the Saturn did return to the 32-bit genre it proved to be masterful as shown with Astal but a large quantity of them were already done on previous generation consoles like the Mortal Kombat games.

[FlockMastaBack]

Well it looks as though this argument's plateaued.

[tyler2513]

At 8/30/12 08:01 PM, FlockMastaBack wrote: Well it looks as though this argument's plateaued.

Indeed, I feared that our bickering alone would take this to a second page.

[Cootie]

At 8/30/12 05:49 PM, SineRider wrote:

At 8/29/12 07:03 PM, Cootie wrote: Nobody I knew even had a Saturn, and from all of the online videos I have seen of it the library looks anemic. Probably the worst Sega console made.

Never played one and don't know any of the games? THIS CONSOLE IS AWFUL!!!

Just scrolling through the library of games and seeing reviews I can see that this thing didn't have games that competed with its rivals.