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For a fact that God exists? Aug. 28th, 2012 @ 09:00 PM

Tell me the facts.

Here are mine.

I have never walked on water.

I have never heard voices from a above or met a sane person who has heard voices.

I have never seen a angel.

I have never seen a ghost.

I have never had a vision.

I have never burning bush talk to me.

I have never believed one being can control the fate and turn of the universe/multiverse on a whim. If such a entity did exist, then they surely would be alien to me. One could even speculate that they could be billions and billions of years more advanced than us.

We can create primitive exotic materials nanotechnology. We communicate with out ever meeting a person, akin to speaking through the room with the "holy voice of god" (our computer)

It is clear to me, that we are the gods..

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Response to For a fact that God exists? Aug. 28th, 2012 @ 09:01 PM

At 8/28/12 09:00 PM, StrapOnFetus wrote: It is clear to me, that we are the gods..

have you gone 2 a strip club lately bro


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Response to For a fact that God exists? Aug. 28th, 2012 @ 09:02 PM

At 8/28/12 09:00 PM, StrapOnFetus wrote:
It is clear to me, that we are the gods..

The bible predicts that man would become lovers of themselves rather than lovers of their creator.


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Response to For a fact that God exists? Aug. 28th, 2012 @ 09:05 PM

At 8/28/12 09:02 PM, JBK wrote:
At 8/28/12 09:00 PM, StrapOnFetus wrote:
It is clear to me, that we are the gods..
The bible predicts that man would become lovers of themselves rather than lovers of their creator.

The Bible says a lot of things that ended up being true. It also says a lot of things that are questionable without proof.


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Response to For a fact that God exists? Aug. 28th, 2012 @ 09:06 PM

At 8/28/12 09:05 PM, Scarface wrote:
At 8/28/12 09:02 PM, JBK wrote:
At 8/28/12 09:00 PM, StrapOnFetus wrote:
It is clear to me, that we are the gods..
The bible predicts that man would become lovers of themselves rather than lovers of their creator.
The Bible says a lot of things that ended up being true. It also says a lot of things that are questionable without proof.

There were some great philosophers that contributed to it but people are flawed. As the bible says.


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Response to For a fact that God exists? Aug. 28th, 2012 @ 09:26 PM

There were some great philosophers that contributed to it but people are flawed. As the bible says.

So by your logic if man wrote the bible, then the bible is flawed?

I like your style :D

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Response to For a fact that God exists? Aug. 28th, 2012 @ 09:30 PM

At 8/28/12 09:30 PM, AnonymousOfCali wrote: no i am the gods

I am still trying to turn blood into wine, why is it not working!!

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Response to For a fact that God exists? Aug. 28th, 2012 @ 09:31 PM

At 8/28/12 09:26 PM, StrapOnFetus wrote:
There were some great philosophers that contributed to it but people are flawed. As the bible says.
So by your logic if man wrote the bible, then the bible is flawed?

I like your style :D

Yet it accomplishes what it was set out to do. Pretty much.


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Response to For a fact that God exists? Aug. 28th, 2012 @ 09:38 PM

At 8/28/12 09:31 PM, JBK wrote:
At 8/28/12 09:26 PM, StrapOnFetus wrote:
There were some great philosophers that contributed to it but people are flawed. As the bible says.
So by your logic if man wrote the bible, then the bible is flawed?

I like your style :D
Yet it accomplishes what it was set out to do. Pretty much.

Who are our creators? "Please say space dust" "please say space dust"

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Response to For a fact that God exists? Aug. 28th, 2012 @ 09:40 PM

At 8/28/12 09:38 PM, StrapOnFetus wrote:
Who are our creators? "Please say space dust" "please say space dust"

I can't answer that, I'm "agnostic."


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Response to For a fact that God exists? Aug. 28th, 2012 @ 09:41 PM

Pretty much. We are the creators.

At 8/28/12 09:02 PM, JBK wrote: The bible predicts that man would become lovers of themselves rather than lovers of their creator.

That's a pretty fucking easy prediction for anyone that has a basic understanding of human behavior.

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Response to For a fact that God exists? Aug. 28th, 2012 @ 09:56 PM

At 8/28/12 09:41 PM, GuerrilleroHeroico wrote:

^Very true

I ponder a deeper question....Why is it that some cultures will wage war for their "creator" while the scientific would rather "create" ie, AI,Robotics...

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Response to For a fact that God exists? Aug. 28th, 2012 @ 10:00 PM

At 8/28/12 09:56 PM, StrapOnFetus wrote:
At 8/28/12 09:41 PM, GuerrilleroHeroico wrote:
^Very true

I ponder a deeper question....Why is it that some cultures will wage war for their "creator" while the scientific would rather "create" ie, AI,Robotics...

If I had to guess it would be because religion is supported primarily by emotion which is better suited to steering people towards violence. To justify aggressive warfare in a secular way you have to either admit that the goal of the war is to gain wealth away from someone or invent a logical reason which is more difficult than just saying "it's God's will". Also you can dehumanize your opponents by saying that they're heathens or something.

I'm not much of a philosopher though.

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Response to For a fact that God exists? Aug. 28th, 2012 @ 10:00 PM

At 8/28/12 09:56 PM, Painbringer wrote: If everyone is a god, then there is no god.

I wish there was a like button on newgrounds, cause I want to give you a thumbs up for getting it.

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Response to For a fact that God exists? Aug. 28th, 2012 @ 10:01 PM

At 8/28/12 09:02 PM, JBK wrote:
At 8/28/12 09:00 PM, StrapOnFetus wrote:
It is clear to me, that we are the gods..
The bible predicts that man would become lovers of themselves rather than lovers of their creator.

But what if man became lovers of the Ubermensch?

Then your bible would have predicted nothing, and that is as far as I will get into this inevitable flamewar.


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Response to For a fact that God exists? Aug. 28th, 2012 @ 10:11 PM

At 8/28/12 10:01 PM, Heretic-Anchorite wrote:
At 8/28/12 09:02 PM, JBK wrote:
At 8/28/12 09:00 PM, StrapOnFetus wrote:
It is clear to me, that we are the gods..
The bible predicts that man would become lovers of themselves rather than lovers of their creator.
But what if man became lovers of the Ubermensch?

Then your bible would have predicted nothing, and that is as far as I will get into this inevitable flamewar.

Your asking questions from which you already know the answer to. What if? It happened, the Allies stomped the Nazis and there Ubermensch back into the stone age. Sure some countries might try to imitate with communism and Fascism. But Fact, it has not worked.

Flamewar? I would see this thread locked and buried before that happens.

This last bit is the juiciest, god says he loves us. Then why would he damn us and our souls, to hell for eternal damnation. For the FACT of not believing or acknowledging that he exist.

You ask me...he is a Nazi..

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Response to For a fact that God exists? Aug. 28th, 2012 @ 10:13 PM

That's a pretty loaded statement. We can't even cure a few fatal diseases. We need to take control of some more planets and make contact with other lifeforms before we can consider ourselves as gods at least.


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Response to For a fact that God exists? Aug. 28th, 2012 @ 10:18 PM

At 8/28/12 10:11 PM, StrapOnFetus wrote:
Your asking questions from which you already know the answer to. What if? It happened, the Allies stomped the Nazis and there Ubermensch back into the stone age. Sure some countries might try to imitate with communism and Fascism. But Fact, it has not worked.

You do realize that Nietzsche hated mass movements, anti-Semites, and that the Nazi's basically butchered his philosophy to use it for propaganda, right?


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Response to For a fact that God exists? Aug. 28th, 2012 @ 10:19 PM

At 8/28/12 10:11 PM, StrapOnFetus wrote:
At 8/28/12 10:01 PM, Heretic-Anchorite wrote:
At 8/28/12 09:02 PM, JBK wrote:
At 8/28/12 09:00 PM, StrapOnFetus wrote:
This last bit is the juiciest, god says he loves us. Then why would he damn us and our souls, to hell for eternal damnation. For the FACT of not believing or acknowledging that he exist.

You ask me...he is a Nazi..

It's your choice to be damned or not. Just so long as you choose to follow God. Its his kingdom and he can accept who he wants.


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Response to For a fact that God exists? Aug. 28th, 2012 @ 10:21 PM

LETS MAKE THIS A SERIOUS THREAD. I'll start.

I am atheist and I am right about everything. Fuck religion.

I'll take the affirmative.


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Response to For a fact that God exists? Aug. 28th, 2012 @ 10:31 PM

At 8/28/12 10:18 PM, Heretic-Anchorite wrote:

You do realize that Nietzsche hated mass movements, anti-Semites, and that the Nazi's basically butchered his philosophy to use it for propaganda, right?

Yes, and same could be said about the swastika

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Response to For a fact that God exists? Aug. 28th, 2012 @ 10:31 PM

At 8/28/12 09:56 PM, StrapOnFetus wrote: I ponder a deeper question....Why is it that some cultures will wage war for their "creator" while the scientific would rather "create" ie, AI,Robotics...

That's not a deeper question. Actually, grammatically, that wasn't a question at all. Anyways, you're assuming war is fought for religious reasons, and that all religions will fight wars in the name of their religion, which is not the case. Then, you're assuming all those who pursue science do so for peaceful means. "The scientific," as you so call them, also created the atomic bomb. Plus, we can assume that since you have separated the religious from "the scientific," that you believe that all who pursue scientific studies do not believe in God, which is not true.

Please, if you're going to argue against somebody else's religion, do so in a less pretentious, more thought out fashion. The lack of thought people put into religious threads is insulting enough to the religion that these threads ridicule.


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Response to For a fact that God exists? Aug. 28th, 2012 @ 10:33 PM

At 8/28/12 09:38 PM, StrapOnFetus wrote: Who are our creators? "Please say space dust" "please say space dust"

Energy. Space dust is the bread, the peanut butter, and the jelly, while energy is what puts them together to makes a PB&J sandwich.

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Response to For a fact that God exists? Aug. 28th, 2012 @ 10:36 PM

Jon Finkel is god.


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Response to For a fact that God exists? Aug. 28th, 2012 @ 10:36 PM

At 8/28/12 10:31 PM, StrapOnFetus wrote:
Yes, and same could be said about the swastika

Because there is no difference between a simple graphic and an entire system of thought, and ideas.

Since you aren't even providing an argument at this point, I'm done here.


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Response to For a fact that God exists? Aug. 28th, 2012 @ 10:38 PM

At 8/28/12 09:56 PM, Painbringer wrote: If everyone is a god, then there is no god.

Unless...

Everybody is a God, all 7 Billion of us have our own planet with a species that we preside over, but we're all ruled by one God, and as punishment for some unknown thing we have done in the past, the Supreme God trapped us all on Earth, knowing that massive amounts of bloodshed would ensue. What if we're all Gods, but our purpose in the eye of the one God is too kill all the other Gods/people and exterminate our own kind and fulfill the punishment we were given?

wut

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Response to For a fact that God exists? Aug. 28th, 2012 @ 10:40 PM

At 8/28/12 10:36 PM, Heretic-Anchorite wrote:
At 8/28/12 10:31 PM, StrapOnFetus wrote:
Yes, and same could be said about the swastika
Because there is no difference between a simple graphic and an entire system of thought, and ideas.

Since you aren't even providing an argument at this point, I'm done here.

The swastika is cool.


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Response to For a fact that God exists? Aug. 28th, 2012 @ 10:41 PM

At 8/28/12 10:19 PM, JBK wrote: Its his kingdom and he can accept who he wants.

Totally fair, especially when the only alternative to his wonderful kingdom is hell which is literally a dimensional of eternal punishment and suffering.

Just like when people get murdered during robberies. They had a choice to give up their stuff in exchange for life but they obviously blew it.

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Response to For a fact that God exists? Aug. 28th, 2012 @ 10:41 PM

At 8/28/12 09:56 PM, Painbringer wrote: If everyone is a god, then there is no god.

The context of which you have failed to consider is the individuality of each of our vessels [the human body] that of which is encompassed by a sense of interpersonal control that could lead to the notion that we are our own gods, while applying the notion that our status of having a god-esque means absolutely nothing to that of which lies outside of our interpersonal realm [the human mind]