At 5/19/04 02:59 AM, Elvarg wrote: Suggestion:

1: As has been suggested, use numbers only.

2: If you do it anyways, make it a bit harder to scan with a scanning program (tons of these around). A bot can scan the current text very easily. Use an italic font on a background or something - but not complex enough to annoy voters.

3: Have the code input in the same flash box that the vote panel is at, instead of opening a new window. In fact, just have it above the panel, so a user can enter the code and then click the voting button with just one click. Having it in flash will also fix the browser-compartibility problem.

I totally agree with putting the vote panel in the submission window.
maybe having to re-enter your password... or select a new password for submitting votes with no remembering option would work too.

i thinks its crap 2... its so annoying

No reentering your password, it's already long enough to vote. Plus, voting restrictions are IP and cookie based as well as username based.

Maybe what is possible is having a code request not always, but say always the first time you vote every day, and after that with a random chance of 10-20% (but if you failed to enter the code once you are asked for it, you will be asked for it every time you vote until you get it right). That will not annoy people as they only have to enter the code once in a while, but will stop bots dead before they cast more then a few votes.

It doesn't work with me >:( it says

"Error - invalid/missing parameters. Please go back and try again."

Damn, and that deposit would take me to level 12 as well..

At 5/18/04 10:58 PM, WadeFulp wrote: Due to security holes in our voting system that have been exploited recently we have taken measures to increase Portal voting security. After voting users will be requested to enter a random code to confirm their vote. This prevents automated voting programs from auto voting on entries. While this is an inconvenience, we feel our contributors deserve a fair vote. They spend a lot of time creating content for us to view, so we should be able to take a few seconds to verify our votes.

This is great news because then more users will be able to vote more, resulting in more blam/protection points.

We still have some bugs to work out as the system is not compatible with some browsers. For now it is working with Internet Explorer so users that need to deposit their points should use Internet Explorer until we have a chance to get it working on other browsers.

I don't like to use IE because it slows my whole computer down. Hopefully you guys can fix the bugs so we can vote on other programs.

At 5/19/04 01:34 AM, Chromius wrote: i know ive made it pretty clear im against this thing, but since its necessary, i like those ideas of having the code be either all numbers or all letters. if that would again make things easier for cheaters, then i can learn to adjust; but if possible, it would be a huge help to voters i think if they made the passcode easier to type in. i consider myself to be a fairly quick typer, but i have trouble trying to put in those codes in under 5 seconds. that isnt very long i guess, but its still a pain.

Yep. Like I said, it's easier for me to type out a jumble of 10+ letters than it is to type mixed numbers/letters, even as few as 4 or 5 or 6 of them.

If I didn't know Chromius had changed his name to -Pain- and -Maladroit- the past few months, this most recent name change of yours would really be irritating, BTW. Are you TRYING to impersonate him, or are you just using his name now that he isn't and he's cool with it? O_o I wish you'd just go back to teh soulrifter or niteshade but oh wells.

At 5/19/04 01:43 AM, Tonberry_the_Lich wrote: it doesnt really matter if u secruity it or not,n00bs r n00bs if they see someone that hasnt submitted anything most likely they r gonna blam it so all the security is doin is makin voting 5-10 seconds longer :|

It's not about inconveniencing noobs on a single movie by single movie basis. It's about making sure that no one can have a program running that goes to each new UJ movie and votes based on the author's batting average (or lack thereof) to get points. If they want to do that, they'll have to do it manually.

At 5/19/04 02:02 AM, AgeOfArmageddon wrote: Also: I have NEVER seen a submission auto-vote for me, maybe i was just lucky.

We aren't talking about SUBMISSIONS autovoting. That was put to rest months ago with the new 3rd-party flash servername and all. Although I suppose this would ensure that doesn't happen either.

We're talking about USERS who are using autovote programs to gain points/effect movie scores unfairly, not submitters submitting malicious code in their flashes.

I tried voting on some submissions today. I punched in the code, hit enter, and an infinate amount of pop-ups launch at my surprised ass. I tried hittin alt ctrl del to close the application and open my internet browser fails so that they will all close, but nver the less that failed so I had to manually turn off my computer to prevent a damn crash. To put a long story short.

WTF HAPPENED

I'm using safari and It's working fine.

Voting confirmation is a royal pain.

Good to know that the random thing is in hexadecimal code; the letter "O" is never a letter.

There seems to be no winning on this matter. I only started getting into blams and protects after 800 XP, as a means of increasing my voting power. I never used an autoblammer, or any other program. Instead, I voted on 20 to 50 movies every day. I honestly believe that I voted based on my opinion--and while others will disagree with me, I'm just doing my duty as a fan of NG.

i can still vote on dozens of movies with this system. However, I do not like the idea that I could be suspect because I vote so often!

The main problem is-- If a person has enough dedication to BLAM every movie, they'll do it, no matter what NG does to stop them. All the voter recognition does is annoy me.

If this is the only option, then that's the was it is. But I suspect that determining who voted what is the only real answer to a VOTE ZERO dillemia

At 5/18/04 10:58 PM, WadeFulp wrote: Due to security holes in our voting system that have been exploited recently we have taken measures to increase Portal voting security. After voting users will be requested to enter a random code to confirm their vote.

Why not make it 3 digits?

You know, with all this security goin now, you would think that if I went though all that effort to give crap a zero, they really did deserve that zero. Now, I have to run over to my Macintosh to vote since my IE craps out on me. It's strange though, I'm on Safari, I still get the error message, but the vote still gets through, anyone else?

But the movie is spawned by clicks, so they can be watched but this new security thing isn't recognized the same way...
It's still a great thing to have the security codes!

A good pop-up blocker won't block windows spawned by clicks. The only pop-up blockers this will cause problems with are the bad ones, which block all new windows. But if people had those, they wouldn't be able to watch the movies after clicking the "Watch This Movie" image.

Wade, I love ya.......but this new system sucks out loud and for a living! There has got to be an easier way to vote on NG entries without having to type in a random code everytime! Search my IP address for verification! I have nothing to hide! This takes too long and it detracts from the fun of voting on Flash! Trust me! I love this site! I just wish I could vote as easily as I used to!!!

Speed24601@yahoo.com

What are you guys getting pay by those microsoft bitches... MAKE IT WORK NO FIRE FOX :'(

I guess it's something were going to have to live with.

BTW, if you have a pop up blocker, wouldn't it block the pop-up window for the flash video in question?

tryed it. but i got bombed with pop ups. it crashed my net. i dont know if this new vote system would even help

At 5/19/04 02:45 AM, Denvish wrote: Whilst I'm all in favour of preventing automated voting, that is possibly the most annoying thing I've ever come across on the internet. Also, it doesn't work for me (running XP/IE6).

Same here: tried copy paste AND retyping it

I've voted on a few more portal entries since my original post. I still think there needs to be an easier way to vote on the damn things. Please......I don't want Newgrounds to become something I dread...

um i cant tell the difference from letter o and the number 0. what is used it would why aint I sleeping it 4:46 Am eastern time 0oo0o0.

This just suck-ed....

It's hex, 0-F. Or 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,A,B,C,D,E,F no O's

At 5/19/04 04:44 AM, Iscrulz wrote: um i cant tell the difference from letter o and the number 0. what is used it would why aint I sleeping it 4:46 Am eastern time 0oo0o0.

0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F

THESE ARE THE ONLY CHARACTERS CURRENTLY IN THE 6-DIGIT CODE.

You do not NEED to tell the difference between o and 0 because of this fact.

i tryed it again and again. with and without popup blockers

this voteing system is stupid. it will not help the vote fairness. its the same as always. i hate it. the massive popups are annoying

wade this vote system is in fact the worst idea ever

personally, i rekon it a great idea! good job... finally those fukn auto-voting programs can be stopped once and for all!!!

At 5/18/04 11:00 PM, OsAmARaMa wrote: Hopefully this will discourage n00bs and idiots from voting 0 on every new flash entry in the judgement section.

How tha hell is that gonna stop ppl from voting zero???

As many i dislike the new thing. It will only be a mather of time befor these clowns with no live find a new way to auto vote. And the other 99% of the poeple that do vote fiarly have the most trouble with this new "savior of the voting".

At 5/19/04 12:37 AM, WadeFulp wrote: We may also be coming out with some exciting news as we hate the new voting verification as much as all of you do (but for now it is our only option), so we are going to try and put together a little something to make the extra effort worth everyone's time.

O yes i'm sure you people really hate the fact that all the people who use firefox and other popup stopping browsers are being bombed with pop ups again. =P

Any way hope that "little something" will be fun or usefull. =]

At 5/19/04 04:37 AM, JesusCyborg wrote: Trust me, I'm on your side. I will own the image prompt and help LilJim stop crazy ass people like me.

Like how you fucked up the system when you were "helping" getting all the movies to 200 votes? <_<

At 5/19/04 12:54 AM, gfoxcook wrote:

Can't you just make this all numbers? That would be a lot simpler and you could keep the fancy font.
Also, I can't wait to see who'll be busted after this. I'll watch the top50 blammers list really closely and see if some people suddely stop haha. I've been wondering about Fixit for a while. Guess we'll see.

Yes I agree with this wise man, numbers numbers and more numbers is good...

~X~

This new vote system is very bad, it wont work with Firefox...
Please make it compatible by using Flash directly in the viewing page like this :

<img src="http://home.tele2.fr/mithrill/Others/Sans-titre-2.jpg"> <img src="http://home.tele2.fr/mithrill/Others/Sans-titre-3.jpg">

It's just an idea and that will resolve compatibility problems...
However it's a good choice to have decide to make a system like this, it could limit abusives members who use macro-programms...

Wade, you reallly, really suck.
I am going to stop voting in 3 days, wich will be when i reach lvl 10.
After that, good bye voting!

The new voting system doesn't work at all for me.....