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Response to Represent A Country 7 [Contest] Sep. 24th, 2012 @ 07:16 PM Reply

At 9/24/12 04:02 PM, camoshark wrote:
At 9/24/12 12:14 PM, NeonProject wrote: Results are in! 2 participants have been disqualified for not turning in their votes; Austria and Mexico. Ironically they both got 0 points anyway!

And now for the first 3 results!
First of all, I find this method of revealing the score MUCH too personal, as revealing the votes of individual people is the best way to start a flamewar. I can see this is derived from your block formation reveal, but the whole point of the block formation was to keep anonymity. This is NOT how you reveal the score.

Secondly, you apparently didn't take my vote in since I voted for Mexico and you explicitly stated he didn't receive any points.

I prefer to keep my anonymity in my votes, so please change this ASAP, for the sake of the competition.

As stated MANY times before in this thread and in the rules. Each individuals votes are combine with jury votes... so the end result we get isn't just strictly yours, it's a mixture of yours and the jury.

The general jury vote is turned into votes which then are combined with yours, then they're ordered in the highest points and those are the points given in the results, not just your lone results.

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Response to Represent A Country 7 [Contest] Sep. 25th, 2012 @ 02:31 AM Reply

At 9/24/12 12:14 PM, NeonProject wrote: Malaysia

24 Iceland
20 United Kingdom
16 Iran
14 Germany
12 Ireland
10 Netherlands
8 United States
6 Sweden
4 Czech Republic
2 Russia

So the results as of today are...

Malaysia (0)

...Wait, hang on. how does this thing work? I'm really confused.

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Response to Represent A Country 7 [Contest] Sep. 25th, 2012 @ 06:59 AM Reply

Guys, weren't there fourteen people who voted? He's only counted the first three results. Sooner or later he'll be revealing mine, as well as the rest of yours.

Eurovision does the same -- people actually know where the 12 points go. Now I'm one for anonymity, but I'm also one for transparency. So suggest away, guys. What would you honestly do to rectify the situation?


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Response to Represent A Country 7 [Contest] Sep. 25th, 2012 @ 08:04 AM Reply

At 9/25/12 06:59 AM, TroisNyxEtienne wrote: Guys, weren't there fourteen people who voted? He's only counted the first three results. Sooner or later he'll be revealing mine, as well as the rest of yours.

Eurovision does the same -- people actually know where the 12 points go. Now I'm one for anonymity, but I'm also one for transparency. So suggest away, guys. What would you honestly do to rectify the situation?

I think we have no need no hide our votes, and i would be happy to explain my votes if someone asked it to me.....the only issue here are the votes Neon revealed as being "Portugal", they are almost all different from mine :S ....you probably got the name of the country wrong or you missread my PM.


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Response to Represent A Country 7 [Contest] Sep. 25th, 2012 @ 08:59 AM Reply

havn't seen this kind of uncovering the results before but i like it. also I hope to beat germany :P


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Response to Represent A Country 7 [Contest] Sep. 25th, 2012 @ 09:06 AM Reply

At 9/25/12 02:31 AM, Yoshiii343 wrote: ...Wait, hang on. how does this thing work? I'm really confused.

To my knowledge, all participants' votes are added, publicised and tallied, along with the jury's votes. There is a jury for the RAC too, so that might change the positions.

At the moment only three participants' votes are publicised, so it's not even finished yet.


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Response to Represent A Country 7 [Contest] Sep. 25th, 2012 @ 09:45 AM Reply

At 9/24/12 07:16 PM, NeonProject wrote: As stated MANY times before in this thread and in the rules. Each individuals votes are combine with jury votes... so the end result we get isn't just strictly yours, it's a mixture of yours and the jury.

The general jury vote is turned into votes which then are combined with yours, then they're ordered in the highest points and those are the points given in the results, not just your lone results.

How are the jury votes calculated again? Is it like each jury member's votes are combined with each individual participant's votes or are there specific categories like last time where all of the jury votes are rounded up?

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Response to Represent A Country 7 [Contest] Sep. 25th, 2012 @ 11:33 AM Reply

At 9/25/12 08:04 AM, DivoFST wrote: the only issue here are the votes Neon revealed as being "Portugal", they are almost all different from mine :S ....you probably got the name of the country wrong or you missread my PM.

Same here. It's like our votes are completely scrambled.

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Response to Represent A Country 7 [Contest] Sep. 25th, 2012 @ 11:52 AM Reply

At 9/25/12 11:33 AM, Yoshiii343 wrote:
At 9/25/12 08:04 AM, DivoFST wrote: the only issue here are the votes Neon revealed as being "Portugal", they are almost all different from mine :S ....you probably got the name of the country wrong or you missread my PM.
Same here. It's like our votes are completely scrambled.

Iv sent a PM to Neon so hopefully he will say what up with that, some minor mistake probably


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Response to Represent A Country 7 [Contest] Sep. 25th, 2012 @ 12:08 PM Reply

When you vote those are added to our personal database. But these aren't the actual points your country gives.

The juries votes equal points, just like yours.

Your votes are then combine with the jury votes.

So for example if you gave Iran 10 points and the jury gave Iran 6 the total would then add to 16.

These totals are then ordered to give your countries filtered result. The Juries do not have their own points to give out, they just filter your votes.

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Response to Represent A Country 7 [Contest] Sep. 25th, 2012 @ 12:38 PM Reply

And the results for today!

United Kingdom

24 Iceland
20 Sweden
16 United States
14 Iran
12 France
10 Ireland
8 Serbia
6 United Kingdom
4 Czech Republic
2 Germany

Russia

24 Iceland
20 Iran
16 Sweden
14 France
12 United States
10 Germany
8 Ireland
6 Serbia
4 United Kingdom
2 Portugal

Iceland

24 Sweden
20 Portugal
16 Iran
14 United States
12 United Kingdom
10 Serbia
8 France
6 Germany
4 Israel
2 Netherlands

So the overall results now stand....

1st] Iceland (116) =
2nd] Iran (94) +2
3rd] Sweden (92) +2
4th] United States (90) -2
5th] United Kingdom (68) -2

6th] France (60) =
7th] Serbia (42) +1
8th] Germany (38) -1
9th] Ireland (34) =
10th] Portugal (28) +2
11th] Czech Republic
Netherlands (14) =, -1
12th] Israel (4) +2
13th] Russia (2) =
14th] Finland
Mongolia
Zimbabwe
Romania
Malaysia (0) =, =, =, =, =

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Response to Represent A Country 7 [Contest] Sep. 25th, 2012 @ 12:47 PM Reply


These totals are then ordered to give your countries filtered result. The Juries do not have their own points to give out, they just filter your votes.

Oh ok, i didnt understand it would work that way.


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Response to Represent A Country 7 [Contest] Sep. 25th, 2012 @ 12:50 PM Reply

At 9/25/12 12:38 PM, NeonProject wrote: And the results for today!

Malaysia (0) =, =, =, =, =

<insert generic whining comment about how no one voted for me>

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Response to Represent A Country 7 [Contest] Sep. 25th, 2012 @ 12:52 PM Reply

At 9/25/12 12:38 PM, NeonProject wrote: And the results for today!

United Kingdom

24 Iceland
20 Sweden
16 United States
14 Iran
12 France
10 Ireland
8 Serbia
6 United Kingdom
4 Czech Republic
2 Germany

No wonder, because I was wondering why I would ever vote for myself. :P


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Response to Represent A Country 7 [Contest] Sep. 25th, 2012 @ 12:55 PM Reply

At 9/25/12 12:08 PM, NeonProject wrote: When you vote those are added to our personal database. But these aren't the actual points your country gives.
The juries votes equal points, just like yours.
Your votes are then combine with the jury votes.
So for example if you gave Iran 10 points and the jury gave Iran 6 the total would then add to 16.
These totals are then ordered to give your countries filtered result. The Juries do not have their own points to give out, they just filter your votes.

I have no idea what you're trying to explain. I gave Serbia 20 points so what the hell? Did the jury give it negative 10 points on my behalf? ...
I don't understand why you don't just have the participants' votes first, then the jury votes. Now it looks like everyone voted for different songs than they actually did. It's too late for there to be a point in changing it now and hopefully you've done the math right so that the final results (which is, to be honest, probably the only thing most people actually care about at this point) end up right.

At 9/25/12 12:50 PM, Yoshiii343 wrote: <insert generic whining comment about how no one voted for me>

I gave you two points. High five!

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Response to Represent A Country 7 [Contest] Sep. 25th, 2012 @ 01:02 PM Reply

At 9/25/12 12:55 PM, Buoy wrote:
At 9/25/12 12:08 PM, NeonProject wrote:
I have no idea what you're trying to explain. I gave Serbia 20 points so what the hell? Did the jury give it negative 10 points on my behalf? ...
I don't understand why you don't just have the participants' votes first, then the jury votes. Now it looks like everyone voted for different songs than they actually did. It's too late for there to be a point in changing it now and hopefully you've done the math right so that the final results (which is, to be honest, probably the only thing most people actually care about at this point) end up right.

Same goes for my list, Buoy. Same goes for my list. I don't think we're even expected to vote for ourselves, so how did I get an extra six points from my own list of votes?

I do certainly wonder how the jury's votes are tallied against my own list TBH. This is one thing that we'd all like to know, because otherwise, it'll look arbitrary at best.


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Response to Represent A Country 7 [Contest] Sep. 25th, 2012 @ 01:17 PM Reply

shit didn't expect that I was that bad :(


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Response to Represent A Country 7 [Contest] Sep. 25th, 2012 @ 02:44 PM Reply

I guess he makes our votes *0.66 and the juri *0.33, because our voting power is 50% and the juri 25%, and then in the end add the Advertizement part or something....and Buoy yeah they ranked Servia really low because i also gave them top 3 and they slipped down.


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Response to Represent A Country 7 [Contest] Sep. 25th, 2012 @ 04:32 PM Reply

United Kingdom didn't give itself points! That was an error!

Remove the UK vote bump the others up and Netherlands got 2 points.

Once all the results have been shown and the final result is done the Jury and Voters ranks will be published along with the Points countries Gained on both results.

Juries don't give negative points, the result of the jury results in the same 24, 20 etc. format you guys voted with. If you give points to a country but the jury completely disagrees (it doesn't get jury points) it will obviously not get as high points you gave it. The same goes if a jury votes a country high and you disagreed.

The Jury vote is the same, whereas your votes are different, this is why it's published this way, so that your results are filtered and possible biased is removed, but also it keeps the results week interesting.

I'm putting a lot of work into this contest. I appreciate things are confusing and some people are concerned and I like getting feedback. What I don't appreciate is people telling me what I 'should' and 'shouldn't' be doing and being aggressive in tone. I want people to suggest things, but not tell me how to do things. I've run this contest for about 3 years and it is a lot of hard work... I do it because I enjoy it and I find the people to be generally friendly. Can we please be a bit more constructive and friendly. If you have suggestions feel free to suggest, but think about how you're saying it and about the amount of work I put into this along with the amount of work others do too.

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Response to Represent A Country 7 [Contest] Sep. 25th, 2012 @ 09:27 PM Reply

*sigh* Once again I'm dead last. Did anyone really even vote for me?

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Response to Represent A Country 7 [Contest] Sep. 25th, 2012 @ 10:49 PM Reply

At 9/25/12 09:27 PM, JJM121 wrote: *sigh* Once again I'm dead last. Did anyone really even vote for me?

Dnt wry bro, no one voted for me too, I doubt they even checkd out the last minute change I did... You cant help it, but no need to wry ;) I gave mongolia 24 points, but here its 0. Maybe someone voted for u?

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Response to Represent A Country 7 [Contest] Sep. 26th, 2012 @ 02:09 AM Reply

At 9/25/12 10:49 PM, adilovemetal wrote:
At 9/25/12 09:27 PM, JJM121 wrote: *sigh* Once again I'm dead last. Did anyone really even vote for me?
Dnt wry bro, no one voted for me too, I doubt they even checkd out the last minute change I did... You cant help it, but no need to wry ;) I gave mongolia 24 points, but here its 0. Maybe someone voted for u?

If I recalled correctly, I didn't vote for Mongolia, but I did vote for Finland! =3
:sorry, JJM. <sadface>

At 9/25/12 12:55 PM, Buoy wrote: I gave you two points. High five!

well, 2 points are better than none. <obligatory smiley>

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Response to Represent A Country 7 [Contest] Sep. 26th, 2012 @ 02:54 AM Reply

At 9/26/12 02:09 AM, Yoshiii343 wrote:
At 9/25/12 10:49 PM, adilovemetal wrote:
At 9/25/12 09:27 PM, JJM121 wrote: *sigh* Once again I'm dead last. Did anyone really even vote for me?
If I recalled correctly, I didn't vote for Mongolia, but I did vote for Finland! =3

Thanks bro appreciate it ;)

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Response to Represent A Country 7 [Contest] Sep. 26th, 2012 @ 05:17 AM Reply

At 9/25/12 09:27 PM, JJM121 wrote: *sigh* Once again I'm dead last. Did anyone really even vote for me?

I believe I did vote for you, but the filter suggests otherwise.


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Response to Represent A Country 7 [Contest] Sep. 26th, 2012 @ 11:11 AM Reply

And here are today's results...

Germany

24 United States
20 Iceland
16 France
14 Ireland
12 United Kingdom
10 Sweden
8 Russia
6 Iran
4 Portugal
2 Netherlands

Netherlands

24 Iceland
20 United States
16 Ireland
14 United Kingdom
12 Germany
10 Iran
8 Serbia
6 Sweden
4 Czech Republic
2 Russia

Czech Republic

24 United States
20 Iceland
16 France
14 Russia
12 Iran
10 Finland
8 Netherlands
6 Sweden
4 Germany
2 Ireland

So the current scoreboard stands...

1st] Iceland (180) =
2nd] United States (158) +2
3rd] Iran (122) -1
4th] Sweden (114) -1
5th] France (92) +1
6th] United Kingdom (88) -1
7th] Ireland (66) +2
8th] Germany (56) =
9th] Serbia (50) -2
10th] Portugal (32) =
11th] Netherlands (26) = Russia (26) +2
12th] Czech Republic (20) -1
13th] Finland (10) +1
14th] Israel (4) -2
15th] Mongolia, Zimbabwe, Romania, Malaysia (0) =

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Response to Represent A Country 7 [Contest] Sep. 26th, 2012 @ 12:38 PM Reply

At 9/25/12 10:49 PM, adilovemetal wrote: Dnt wry bro, no one voted for me too, I doubt they even checkd out the last minute change I did... You cant help it, but no need to wry ;) I gave mongolia 24 points, but here its 0. Maybe someone voted for u?

Those must be some tough jury scoring.

At 9/26/12 05:17 AM, TroisNyxEtienne wrote: I believe I did vote for you, but the filter suggests otherwise.

Thanks all the same, Trois. Appreciate it.

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Response to Represent A Country 7 [Contest] Sep. 26th, 2012 @ 01:08 PM Reply

At 9/26/12 12:38 PM, JJM121 wrote:
At 9/26/12 05:17 AM, TroisNyxEtienne wrote: I believe I did vote for you, but the filter suggests otherwise.
Thanks all the same, Trois. Appreciate it.

Anytime. <3


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Response to Represent A Country 7 [Contest] Sep. 27th, 2012 @ 08:52 AM Reply

so.. when are the final results out?

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Response to Represent A Country 7 [Contest] Sep. 27th, 2012 @ 09:26 AM Reply

At 9/27/12 08:52 AM, adilovemetal wrote: so.. when are the final results out?

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No ads on this thread, please. There's an Audio Advertisements thread for this.
Also, I expect the final results to be out by the end of the week.


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Response to Represent A Country 7 [Contest] Sep. 27th, 2012 @ 04:19 PM Reply

Today's results!

Finland

24 Sweden
20 United States
16 United Kingdom
14 Mongolia
12 Iran
10 Iceland
8 Portugal
6 France
4 Israel
2 Germany

Romania & Zimbabwe

24 Netherlands
20 Iceland
16 Sweden
14 Serbia
12 Portugal
10 Czech Republic
8 United States
6 Iran
4 Germany
2 Mongolia

Mongolia

24 Iran
20 United States
16 Iceland
14 United Kingdom
12 Finland
10 Ireland
8 Germany
6 Sweden
4 Portugal
2 Israel

So now the overall results are...

1st] Iceland (226) =
2nd] United States (206) =
3rd] Iran (164) =
4th] Sweden (160) =
5th] United Kingdom (118) +1
6th] France (98) -1
7th] Ireland (76) =
8th] Germany (70) =
9th] Serbia (64) =
10th] Portugal (56) =
11th] Netherlands (50) =
12th] Czech Republic (30) =
13th] Russia (26) -2
14th] Finland (22) -1
15th] Mongolia (16) =
16th] Israel (10) -2
17th] Zimbabwe, Romania, Malaysia (0)