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Lets say all religious texts, all memory, and knowledge of every religion disappeared. What do you think the world would be like if it had no religion?

At 7/27/12 10:21 AM, Jmayer20 wrote: Lets say all religious texts, all memory, and knowledge of every religion disappeared. What do you think the world would be like if it had no religion?

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I really don't know for sure...but at least we wouldn't be killing each other over differences in who's all powerful , omniputent ,invisible entity is the right one ! ! !

How do you get to this new planet....I've got thousands of dollars i could use to purchase a ticket !

Ever seen the movie Book of Eli?

At 7/27/12 11:10 AM, e-lord wrote: for right now?

i think a lot of people who used to devote their life to religion will end up very lost because they will have no recollection of anything they've been doing all of their life

The very foundation of culture and morality would be lost

would confucianism and taoism count as religions?

They are not a significant voting bloc, so few People in the political class give it a second glance

if philosophies count, then people still may follow the teachings of jesus or muhammad or the buddha, without the whole supernatural aspects out of the former two

Ever heard of the Jefferson bible? It's exactly what you described. Anybody can enjoy reading it once they get past their prejudices

so what do you think?

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At 7/27/12 11:38 AM, EmmaVolt wrote: Ever seen the movie Book of Eli?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure lack of knowledge of the bible had nothing to do with the world being a post-apocalyptic wasteland. So, I don't see your point.

"It's not a book! It's a weapon!"

World without religion? that's easy, just look at the inner city of any massive city like New York and spread it worldwide.

At 7/27/12 12:38 PM, Korriken wrote: World without religion? that's easy, just look at the inner city of any massive city like New York and spread it worldwide.

i guess i should tell you now that sweden, finland, and a buttfuckload of other countries in europe happen to have higher standards of living than religious societies(norway has the highest standard of living in the world and epitomizes atheistic society). more secular societies have lower crime rates, pregnancy rates, generally healthier, etc. and happen to have massive atheist populations

also, i love how you implied that those who don't believe in religious bullshit tend to be poor people when it's been shown over and over again that the poor are the most religious in most societies

At 7/27/12 11:38 AM, EmmaVolt wrote: Ever seen the movie Book of Eli?

so you're telling me that the world's population will be decimated if we turn away from religion

lol please substantiate this horse shit

Very little would change. Much of what we consider religion is really just humanity and human nature.

The stories and ethos are defnitely the religion, but the morality, the comradery, the ceremony, the tradition, the divisions, the rules, and so on. All of these traits arethat of humanity, not religion. Religon has always been a nice and convenient place to find all of these, but without religion, we'd find them elsewhere.

At 7/27/12 01:36 PM, Camarohusky wrote:
Religon has always been a nice and convenient place to find all of these, but without religion, we'd find them elsewhere.

would we derive dogma from other sources then

At 7/27/12 01:08 PM, psychopathy wrote:

i guess i should tell you now that sweden, finland, and a buttfuckload of other countries in europe happen to have higher standards of living than religious societies(norway has the highest standard of living in the world and epitomizes atheistic society). more secular societies have lower crime rates, pregnancy rates, generally healthier, etc. and happen to have massive atheist populations

"massive atheist populations" huh? Ok then... prove it. Show me the statistics on these "massive atheist populations" I did some research on my own. you're full of shit and have little idea what you're talking about. if you count people who don't attend church on a regular basis as atheist, then maybe you have a point. However, a lot of non atheists don't go to church.

also, i love how you implied that those who don't believe in religious bullshit tend to be poor people when it's been shown over and over again that the poor are the most religious in most societies

I never implied anything of the sort. you're just reading too much into it because that what you want to believe. It's ok little guy, I don't blame you *pats on head* it's what you're programmed to think.

At 7/27/12 01:47 PM, Korriken wrote:

At 7/27/12 01:08 PM, psychopathy wrote:

i guess i should tell you now that sweden, finland, and a buttfuckload of other countries in europe happen to have higher standards of living than religious societies(norway has the highest standard of living in the world and epitomizes atheistic society). more secular societies have lower crime rates, pregnancy rates, generally healthier, etc. and happen to have massive atheist populations

"massive atheist populations" huh? Ok then... prove it. Show me the statistics on these "massive atheist populations" I did some research on my own. you're full of shit and have little idea what you're talking about. if you count people who don't attend church on a regular basis as atheist, then maybe you have a point. However, a lot of non atheists don't go to church.

i should probably correct myself, as "atheist" is simply too exclusive. being nonreligious is just as valid in the context of this thread. but yeah, there are quite a few nonreligious/atheist people in the societies that i speak of

since norway seems to epitomize the countries i'm talking about, i'll provide statistics for that country. if you want more from other countries or something, i'll be happy to oblige

only 20% of all norwegians say religion is important to them

only 32% of all norwegians believe in god

depending on the study, 31~72% of all norwegians do not believe in a personal god

i would love to see which sources you consulted which led you to the conclusion that my claim is erroneous

also, i love how you implied that those who don't believe in religious bullshit tend to be poor people when it's been shown over and over again that the poor are the most religious in most societies

I never implied anything of the sort.

you indirectly stated that a lack of religion in the world would make all of human society resemble harlem, new york and other inner city areas

how the hell else was i supposed to interpret that

you're just reading too much into it because that what you want to believe.

It's ok little guy, I don't blame you *pats on head* it's what you're programmed to think.

how am i programmed to think this stuff? please tell me.

i independently came to the conclusions i expressed earlier. try not to assume so much about people you don't know. i didn't assume so much about you; i didn't say "korriken you must be blinded by religion to believe what you believe, but it's ok herp derp it's what you're programmed to think"

At 7/27/12 01:47 PM, Korriken wrote:
I never implied anything of the sort. you're just reading too much into it because that what you want to believe. It's ok little guy, I don't blame you *pats on head* it's what you're programmed to think.

if i didn't know any better, i'd say that you were personally offended by my first post in this topic. this condescending part of your post wasn't provoked by me to my knowledge

why else did you patronize me? please correct me if i'm wrong, though

It wouldn't be much different than it is now since people would've found something else to take its place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLsdJlfA23E

At 7/27/12 10:21 AM, Jmayer20 wrote: Lets say all religious texts, all memory, and knowledge of every religion disappeared. What do you think the world would be like if it had no religion?

It would be the best possible world. Most wars are fought over religion.

At 7/27/12 10:21 AM, Jmayer20 wrote: Lets say all religious texts, all memory, and knowledge of every religion disappeared. What do you think the world would be like if it had no religion?

I don't know because we've never seen a modern society that is completely void of all religions. It would be hunches at best.

You're imagining a world where by pure chance there was no religion despite the huge sociological and psychological pressures for religion to appear, so religion would re-appear in a matter of weeks.

At 7/27/12 11:38 AM, EmmaVolt wrote: Ever seen the movie Book of Eli?

No I have not. Please tell me what it is about.

At 7/27/12 11:49 AM, X-Gary-Gigax-X wrote:

At 7/27/12 11:10 AM, e-lord wrote: for right now?

The very foundation of culture and morality would be lost

would confucianism and taoism count as religions?

They are not a significant voting bloc, so few People in the political class give it a second glance

if philosophies count, then people still may follow the teachings of jesus or muhammad or the buddha, without the whole supernatural aspects out of the former two

Ever heard of the Jefferson bible? It's exactly what you described. Anybody can enjoy reading it once they get past their prejudices

so what do you think?

wwwwwww

OK what is with the wwwwwww's at the end? I think it is unfair to say that people would have no morality with out religion. I have meet plenty of atheists that were not only polite and kind but also liked to help people. Clearly these people have some sort of moral compus. Also are you saying that the only thing that keeps you from raping and murdering your own sister is the fear of burning in hell?

At 7/27/12 01:36 PM, Camarohusky wrote: Very little would change. Much of what we consider religion is really just humanity and human nature.

The stories and ethos are defnitely the religion, but the morality, the comradery, the ceremony, the tradition, the divisions, the rules, and so on. All of these traits arethat of humanity, not religion. Religon has always been a nice and convenient place to find all of these, but without religion, we'd find them elsewhere.

I agree with you Camarohusky. It might affect our culture a little and we would of course stop going to churches, mosque's or any other religious places because they would not exist any more but I think that things would stay mostly the same.

At 7/27/12 01:36 PM, Camarohusky wrote: Very little would change. Much of what we consider religion is really just humanity and human nature.

While I do agree with you Camarohuskey.... your post along with the other posters made me think of this as a good-vs-evil particularly in reguards to how religions tell us they are good & they hold back evil.

I just read a paper by Chris Hedges

Where he says the greatest crimes in human history are made possible by the carrearists, the bureucrats, the cynics. They do the little chores that make the vast complicated workings of the systems of exploitation & death a reality .

" They collect and read the personal data collected on hundreds of millions of us by the 'State'. "
"They keep the accounts & secretes of Exon ,Enron, Goldman sachs, The Fed, Madoff Investment Securities, etc. They build or pilot aerial drones, man the road blocks. They work in corporate advertising, & public relations. They issue the forms & process the paperwork.
They deny foodstamps to some, they deny unemployment & medical benefits to others. They enforce laws & regulations & they never ask questions."

"GOOD ...EVIL these words do not mean anything to them !"
"They are beyond mortality, they are there to make the corporate systems function.
When insurance companies want to realise higher profits by abandoning millions of sick customers so they suffer & die, So be it. If Banks & Sheriff Depts toss families out of their homes into the streets ,so be it. If the financila firms rob people of their savings, so be it.
IF the Government chooses to fund defense contracts & close schools & libraries, so be it.
If the military has murdered innocent men ,women & children in Pakistan or Afghanistan, so what. When commoditiy speculators drive up the costs of wheat, corn, & rice so they are unaffordable to hundreds of millions of people, so what. If Congress & the Courts strip citizens of their basic civil liberties, so be it. They serve the system, the God of Profit & Exploitation !
The most dangerous force in the world is not from those with religious or fanatical beliefs. It is from legions of faceless uncaring bureaucrats who attempt to claw their way up layered Corporate & Government machines. They serve a system that serves their needs."

"It was the carrearists who have made possible the genocides of the past & have made the plans for those yet to happen"
"They are responsible for the extermination of Native Americans, the Turkish slaughter of Armenians, THe Nazi holocaust to Stalin's Liquidation & Mao's purge. They are the ones who kept the trains running, the camps guarded, the furnaces built & the forms signed & prosided over the property confiscation. They rationed food while people starved & storage facilities were filled to bursting, they manufactured the guns, enforced travel bans, seized bank accounts, cancelled passports & carried out segregation. They enforced the 'law' & seen it as doing their job !"

We discover our idealist leaders are actually mediocraties only when its too late !
A world without religion, isn't going to change any of that ...unfortunately !

At 7/28/12 12:14 PM, morefngdbs wrote: Where he says the greatest crimes in human history are made possible by the carrearists, the bureucrats, the cynics. They do the little chores that make the vast complicated workings of the systems of exploitation & death a reality .

What's a carrearist? Someone who likes their career so much they are willing to serve evil tyrants?

At 7/27/12 01:47 PM, Korriken wrote: "massive atheist populations" huh? Ok then... prove it. Show me the statistics on these "massive atheist populations" I did some research on my own. you're full of shit and have little idea what you're talking about. if you count people who don't attend church on a regular basis as atheist, then maybe you have a point. However, a lot of non atheists don't go to church.

I'd like to see you prove your assertion that inner cities lack religion, please.
Can you post some statistics.

At 7/27/12 02:15 PM, psychopathy wrote:

i should probably correct myself, as "atheist" is simply too exclusive. being nonreligious is just as valid in the context of this thread. but yeah, there are quite a few nonreligious/atheist people in the societies that i speak of

suppose that would depend on the definition of Atheist you want to use.

since norway seems to epitomize the countries i'm talking about, i'll provide statistics for that country. if you want more from other countries or something, i'll be happy to oblige

only 20% of all norwegians say religion is important to them

by that standard even America is an atheist country.

only 32% of all norwegians believe in god

yes and 47% on top of that believe in some sort of spirit. Not all religions follow the idea of some sort of manifest god that rules over them. Even without belief in a "god" they still believes there's something out there, a spirit (or spirits) benevolent or malevolent that does what it does. an atheist would tell you such a thing simple does not exist. That puts us at 79% non atheist. 21% atheist isn't that bad though.

can we get a forum atheist to verify this? Last I checked Atheists believe that there is no god nor spirits nor an afterlife.

i would love to see which sources you consulted which led you to the conclusion that my claim is erroneous

most of the same sources you like to use. I'm just more strict on my interpretation of an atheist. If an atheist believes in no god but does believe in spirits, then yeah.

you indirectly stated that a lack of religion in the world would make all of human society resemble harlem, new york and other inner city areas

This is true, some places resemble this even with religion. just look over in Iran.

how am i programmed to think this stuff? please tell me.

Reflect on it, come up with your own answer.

At 7/28/12 03:27 PM, GuerrilleroHeroico wrote:

I'd like to see you prove your assertion that inner cities lack religion, please.
Can you post some statistics.

I never said inner cities lack religion.

there is no need to keep arguing, the answer is in the video posted above

At 7/28/12 04:19 PM, kakalxlax wrote: there is no need to keep arguing, the answer is in the video posted above

I like the song a whole new world but I don't see what that has to do with what we are talking about. Please explain.

At 7/28/12 03:46 PM, Korriken wrote:

only 20% of all norwegians say religion is important to them

by that standard even America is an atheist country.

Is religion important in your daily life?

Norway: Yes (20.5%), No (78%).

United States: Yes (65%), No (34.5%).

So about the same, right?

At 7/28/12 03:48 PM, Korriken wrote:

At 7/28/12 03:27 PM, GuerrilleroHeroico wrote:

I'd like to see you prove your assertion that inner cities lack religion, please.
Can you post some statistics.

I never said inner cities lack religion.

You said that if there was no religion then it would be as if the entire world was an inner city.

At 7/27/12 10:21 AM, Jmayer20 wrote: Lets say all religious texts, all memory, and knowledge of every religion disappeared. What do you think the world would be like if it had no religion?

Would be great if all humans could work together. Science would be far more advanced, and all due to never have any religion.