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Legend of Korra - Nerve-Bending Jul. 26th, 2012 @ 09:24 PM Reply

Anybody with an eighth grade education in human science knows very well that the body relies heavily on electricity. Not in a mechanical sense, but in a biological sense. The nervous system especially uses pulses of electricity to communicate through different parts of the body. I find this very fascinating, as I have played with a few volts and have been able to make peoples arms bend or wrists tighten up.

This is where the Avatar universe comes in. Most people in the universe can control earth, water, air or fire. A sort of sub-bending style of fire bending is called "lightning bending", in which masters of fire bending can create and control lightning. And just as Benjamin Franklin proved, lightning is just another form of electricity.

I think that an esteemed lightning bender could effectively control the nerve impulses of a victims body by redirecting the pulses and sending certain signals through the brain. I also think that this would be very difficult, as the system of nerves in incredibly complex. "Nerve bending", as I call it, could serve as an alternative to blood bending, in which a water bender can control the flow of water throughout a body and manipulate it to their will.

Do you think this would be somewhat of an interesting addition to the series, or even just a neat idea? I certainly think so, because fire benders could now be on par with water benders.


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Response to Legend of Korra - Nerve-Bending Jul. 26th, 2012 @ 09:26 PM Reply

What would be the fucking point when you could just zap the bitch with lightning?

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Response to Legend of Korra - Nerve-Bending Jul. 26th, 2012 @ 09:27 PM Reply

I wish Korra was my girlfriend.

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Response to Legend of Korra - Nerve-Bending Jul. 26th, 2012 @ 09:28 PM Reply

At 7/26/12 09:26 PM, Skaren wrote: What would be the fucking point when you could just zap the bitch with lightning?

What would be the point of blood bending if you could just freeze them or boil them in water?


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Response to Legend of Korra - Nerve-Bending Jul. 26th, 2012 @ 09:31 PM Reply

At 7/26/12 09:24 PM, CrazySquirrel124 wrote:
Do you think this would be somewhat of an interesting addition to the series, or even just a neat idea? I certainly think so, because fire benders could now be on par with water benders.

No, then fire master would control everyone and the series ends.


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Response to Legend of Korra - Nerve-Bending Jul. 26th, 2012 @ 09:34 PM Reply

At 7/26/12 09:24 PM, CrazySquirrel124 wrote: I certainly think so, because fire benders could now be on par with water benders.

How would they be on par with water benders? If they were given lightning bending and "nerve bending" then they would have two specialized skills as opposed to one (blood bending) for water benders. Not to mention blood bending, from has been seen in Legend of Korra so far, is extremely difficult to learn, whereas it appears lightning bending is a more easily mastered trait of firebenders (enhanced greatly by the Equalists lightning gloves, which enables non-benders to utilize electricity as a weapon).


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Response to Legend of Korra - Nerve-Bending Jul. 26th, 2012 @ 09:45 PM Reply

At 7/26/12 09:34 PM, SaltshakerClock wrote:
At 7/26/12 09:24 PM, CrazySquirrel124 wrote: I certainly think so, because fire benders could now be on par with water benders.
How would they be on par with water benders? If they were given lightning bending and "nerve bending" then they would have two specialized skills as opposed to one (blood bending) for water benders. Not to mention blood bending, from has been seen in Legend of Korra so far, is extremely difficult to learn, whereas it appears lightning bending is a more easily mastered trait of firebenders (enhanced greatly by the Equalists lightning gloves, which enables non-benders to utilize electricity as a weapon).

1. They would be on par in the sense that they control a victim's body.
2. Ice bending and steam bending are specialized forms of bending water.
3. Nerve bending would also be extremely difficult to learn, as I stated.
4. The lightning gloves only really produce a stunning zap. They can't really control the lightning, they can only produce a small amount of it.


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Response to Legend of Korra - Nerve-Bending Jul. 26th, 2012 @ 09:47 PM Reply

why would they have this nerve bending when there is something exactly like it (blood-bending)?


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Response to Legend of Korra - Nerve-Bending Jul. 26th, 2012 @ 09:52 PM Reply

by the same logic, I'm an airbender, I can make your lungs explode.


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Response to Legend of Korra - Nerve-Bending Jul. 26th, 2012 @ 09:53 PM Reply

The human body is like what, 95% water? Couldn't waterbenders essentially just implode human beings? Couldn't airbender just cut off oxygen circulation or also implode humans using the oxygen in their lungs and also in the molecules of their body?

Seems like if anything Earthbenders and firrbenders would be the weakest. Nerve bending sounds interesting though. But they would be omploded before they could bend your nerves.

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Response to Legend of Korra - Nerve-Bending Jul. 26th, 2012 @ 09:55 PM Reply

At 7/26/12 09:53 PM, Samuraikyo wrote:
Seems like if anything Earthbenders

Oh wait I got a new one, By OP's Logic, I can control the iron in your blood stream and kill you that way.


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Response to Legend of Korra - Nerve-Bending Jul. 26th, 2012 @ 10:28 PM Reply

At 7/26/12 09:47 PM, e-lord wrote: why would they have this nerve bending when there is something exactly like it (blood-bending)?

They would have nerve bending so fire benders could do it.


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Response to Legend of Korra - Nerve-Bending Jul. 27th, 2012 @ 03:33 AM Reply

At 7/26/12 09:55 PM, Kanon wrote:
At 7/26/12 09:53 PM, Samuraikyo wrote:
Seems like if anything Earthbenders
Oh wait I got a new one, By OP's Logic, I can control the iron in your blood stream and kill you that way.

Blood contains a lot of iron, so that would actually betrue blood bending.

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Response to Legend of Korra - Nerve-Bending Jul. 27th, 2012 @ 03:50 AM Reply

Well interesting thought, but it would just be to complicated to introduce it in series.


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Response to Legend of Korra - Nerve-Bending Jul. 27th, 2012 @ 04:08 AM Reply

Funny that you guys mention that, I suggested it a long time ago on a Facebook post when a friend of mine suggested pressurebending.

Here was the convo:

Me: "Through lightningbending, it may be capable of bending someone to your will by redirecting the synapses in the victim's brain to their whim. It would require a vast knowledge of how the human brain works combined with lightningbending so refined that the user in question could do it on the microscale however.

It could be through this ability, if it is even plausible, that the villain manipulates the Avatar into doing this."

Friend: " nope. Not even an avatar could bend the earth's core.

Bro, even today we don't have that kind of knowledge. Manipulation of lightning on the microscale is also impossible. Read the description of lightning generation on the avatar wiki. A firebender does not manipulate lightning. A firebender does not control lightning. They merely create charge separation and direct the flow of lightning created upon the neutralization of the charge differences.

And, once again: if any bender could bend the microscopic flow of electrons in the body such that they could redirect synaptic signals, than that never could bend goddamn anything. Control over electrons, an elementary particle, equals control over all chemical reactions."

Me: "Let's get rid of all the bending concepts for a second and focus on the very idea of controlling the synapses in others' brains via a device that manipulates electric charge in general.

It is(or at least in the various sci-fi discussion threads I've lurked) well-established that the idea of controlling someone with the method I described is pure sci-fi as of now. However, our technology has shown signs of having synapse control be a possibility somewhere in the future, as that seems to be the case in most ideas deemed impossible by the scientific community.

What I have in mind would simply be a reverse-engineering of this:

http://www.skewsme.com/implants.html#axzz1yt0jgaLy

The robot would be controlling the human instead of the other way around.

SO, to apply this to lightningbending synapses: As with plasmabending, it would ONLY be possible if the lightningbender had a device to control all that raw power he/she generates and give it the precision necessary to bend the synapses on the microscale. I imagine an extraordinarily complex and sophisticated machine of some sort, perhaps something like Cerebro from X-men, would be needed for this to succeed. It would work as something you place on your victim's head when you restrain them to a chair. IMO, this is something a little more advanced than those mini fusion reactor gloves. :3

Perhaps in the next air cycle.

After attending a 7 hour long cosmology workshop at Berkeley today with Ching, Kobe, Rax from our school and a couple Lowellites as well as people from all over the Bay Area, I learned something about sound that would actually be supported by your OP, Eric.

The last guest speaker of the day for the many lectures we have happened to be a waves specialist. We went through the basic high school wave formulas first, then went on to adding waves and how they would sound like. Sound is defined as pressure variations of the air throughout time. I asked the speaker how modern day sound systems work, and she said that the coils/magnets in the sound system(i.e. speakers, headphones, earbuds, etc.) push the air in order to change the pressure, which produces a sound."

Friend: "Mang, if you're going to throw technology into this at all, you might as well throw out bending. If you had a device that can control electronic charges, why would you need lightning generation to operate it? That's like expecting a man with a giant axe to perform heart surgery after attaching a scalpel to his axe blade. Anyone with the scalpel can do the surgery; you don't need the axe man to do it. The axe man, if he put down his axe, would find the task much simpler. In the same way, lightning generation has nothing to do with manipulating synaptic charge on the microscale."

Me: "I am throwing in technology in here because my context of technology in the bending sense would simply be an extension of themselves to better connect with their element and control it so that they won't be outdone by technology. To me, technology in the world of Avatar is simply a way to amplify bending's abilities, like the fire cannons in General Iroh's battleships, or Aang's staff that functioned as a hang glide for him to fly through the air. Would gliding through conventional means, or firing cannons with gunpowder/modern explosive projectiles that Amon's Equalists used during the defensive maneuver against Iroh's fleet devalue bending as a practical usage?

To address why lightningbending would be needed:
I imagine the lightningbender would be able to learn how to control which synapses go where long before the non-benders figure out how to do it with the tedious process of using machines. Again, back to the fire cannon example as to why benders will not be outdone. I will further elaborate later on the practicality of incorporating technology with bending. It seems I wasn't clear on what the device would do. >.<

This Cerebro-type device would merely HELP the lightningbender guide his bending towards the right synapses. If non-benders were to attempt this, they would need to account for so many things the lightningbender can solve merely by relying on his precision under the guidance of this device. If non-benders were to do this, they would need to account for electrode implants, drilling holes into the skull if that is necessary for some intense brainwork, specific materials just so that the electrical pulses they send into the brain will actually correctly interfere with the neural activity, and a lot of surgery near the head. Lightningbenders would be able to overcome ALL of these obstacles by being able to influence synapse paths without having to do any of the above.

Of course, everything I just said is theoretical. Since Avatar is a fictional universe, I suppose a BSed Cerebro device could be created to fit the ramifications for such an invention, as I have no idea how this would be built as a high schooler.

A non-bender simply won't be able to compete with a technologically enhanced bender if technology merely serves to be an extension of the bender in the future. Only time will tell what actually happens however."

Friend: "The instances of technology you have mentioned are fairly simple, and thus they are natural extensions of one's bending. The fire cannons work because they allow a firebender to concentrate their bending through a narrow receptacle, presumably increasing the intensity of the flames. Either that or they contain fiery rocks coated with gunpowder, which a firebender ignites. Either way, they're kind of extraneous. A firebender can aim their attacks pretty well by himself, so I don't see why you would need one man to man a cannon and another to shoot fire through it.

Aang's air staff simply makes him aerodynamic enough to fly via the manipulation of air currents.

As for the synapse control machine:
"Guide their bending towards the right synapses?"

Breh. Lightning benders shoot extremely powerful, 30,000 Celsius bolts of lightning. They do not control lightning in any other way than generating, then guiding it. Your concept makes no sense because it would be akin to having a machine that sucks in a river and then magically moves a drop of water around inside a small glass cube. The river doesn't make any sense. And so lightning bending into a machine to control synapses doesn't make any sense.

Once more, lightning benders do not manipulate lightning. They shoot it. That is all.
A man with a gun can shoot a bullet, but he cannot manipulate the iron in your blood. And a machine that would allow you to use the gun to manipulate the iron in someone else's blood is a ridiculous concept, because the gun does not manipulate iron. It shoots bullets."


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Response to Legend of Korra - Nerve-Bending Jul. 27th, 2012 @ 04:15 AM Reply

At 7/26/12 09:26 PM, Skaren wrote: What would be the fucking point when you could just zap the bitch with lightning?

This. Also, it's hard enough for the most elite of benders to lightning bend in the first place. How the fuck would they bend nerve pulses (and don't give me lolgenetics bullshit)?


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Response to Legend of Korra - Nerve-Bending Jul. 27th, 2012 @ 04:20 AM Reply

At 7/27/12 04:15 AM, Cactuar512 wrote:
At 7/26/12 09:26 PM, Skaren wrote: What would be the fucking point when you could just zap the bitch with lightning?
This. Also, it's hard enough for the most elite of benders to lightning bend in the first place. How the fuck would they bend nerve pulses (and don't give me lolgenetics bullshit)?

Read my post(2 posts above yours), I addressed that quite well. ;D

Although, it quickly got debunked by my friend...

I still feel that my idea was going somewhere, not a direction really, just forming something conceptually.


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