Assange may be put to death

[Saren]

If extradited to the U.S!

I think this proves that Obama isn't as soft on terrorists as people think he is. This news makes me happy. Its always good to see freedom being upheld. Like with the embargo on Cuba, and the Chinese criminals that the U.S harbours in its embassy in China for the purpose of freedom. Also the U.S wars on Syria and Afghanistan. In Syria we are helping the freedom loving rebels to overthrow the corrupt anti-U.S government, in Afghanistan we are rooting out all of the religious crazies that have been born to have it out for America just because they hate freedom and Christianity.

First however Assange needs to be extradited to the U.S, how this will happen I'm not sure.

If Ecuador does try to take him to their country (and they will, they seem like that sort of country) then the U.K is actually allowed to ignore that and just arrest him anyway. Ecuador isn't an important country and you should remember that the last thing Ecuador would want to do is start a fight with the U.S or have the U.S embargo them.

And once Assange has died maybe we can put Bradley Manning to death as well, we already have him in solitary confinement which is breaking him and maybe he will give incriminating evidence about Assange and wikileaks.

[Korriken]

At 7/13/12 04:43 AM, Saren wrote: If extradited to the U.S!

I think this proves that Obama isn't as soft on terrorists as people think he is.

got proof that Obama ever mentioned such a thing? I mean, sure, I'd love to see that smug bastard get what's coming to him, with that traitor Manning. Then again, if we wanna nail him, Obama would be wise to keep his administration quiet until the time is right to strike and bring him to America to face justice.

And once Assange has died maybe we can put Bradley Manning to death as well, we already have him in solitary confinement which is breaking him and maybe he will give incriminating evidence about Assange and wikileaks.

Personally, I think executing Manning would send a good enough message to any would be traitors who think they can steal military secrets for whatever boneheaded reason. It's just too bad the military went to lethal injection and gave up hanging people. *shrug*

[Iron-Hampster]

extradited to the us, doesn't that raise an eye brow or two? the crimes he is actually accused of were in Sweden. And of course how would he be the traitor? his site didn't spy on the government, it was just where whistle blowers (meaning, people who were actually a part of the government) would go to do their thing. He didn't even do anything with the information, the media did. The American traitorous government leaked confidential information on a sight and the American traitorous media shared the important stuff with everybody. But sure, punish the guy who created the site! oh wait i'm sorry he was accused of raping women in Sweden, that is why he's being extradited to the US!

[Entice]

At 7/13/12 04:43 AM, Saren wrote: terrorist

Leaking information that hasn't yet affected anyone's national security isn't terrorism.

[frigi]

We need to put his family to death too, as they are associated with him.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

no he won't, thats what his paranoid ass thinks because he leaked all those secret documents, in reality if he were actually extradited he would only get life imprisonment.

its tough enough to get US citizens the Death Penalty. how hard do you think it would be to do it to a foreign citizen?

common sense here guys and there is already a Assange thread

HERE

[Tony-DarkGrave]

At 7/13/12 12:24 PM, GuerrilleroHeroico wrote:

At 7/13/12 04:43 AM, Saren wrote: terrorist

Leaking information that hasn't yet affected anyone's national security isn't terrorism.

actually they had people undercover abroad that almost had their cover blown and had to relocate, Risking American lives. and it loss the credebility of the US slowly recovering Foreign Policy.

that doesn't effect anyone.

[MrFlopz]

I was going to make a comment about the OP's intelligence but I found that to be irrelevant to anyone who read his post.

[Korriken]

At 7/13/12 01:02 PM, frigi wrote: We need to put his family to death too, as they are associated with him.

why stop there? let's execute everyone at Wikileaks, their families, friends, families' friends, their facebook contacts, pen pals, schoolmates, their schoolmates' friends, families, and facebook contacts, and their dogs.

[Angry-Hatter]

At 7/13/12 05:06 PM, Korriken wrote: why stop there? let's execute everyone at Wikileaks, their families, friends, families' friends, their facebook contacts, pen pals, schoolmates, their schoolmates' friends, families, and facebook contacts, and their dogs.

Now you're thinking like Jehovah!

[Ericho]

Why do you have a happy face as your sig? Assrange is fairly admired, so I don't think it's good he's being put to death here. In fact, I don't think he's committed a murder or anything and I sincerely hope this isn't a country that puts people to death besides killing people. I had no idea other countries were that brutal. He shouldn't have gone there in the first place, or at least he could have gone to a country that had a lot more freedom like Scandanavia.

[Camarohusky]

At 7/14/12 11:45 AM, Ericho wrote: Why do you have a happy face as your sig? Assrange is fairly admired, so I don't think it's good he's being put to death here. In fact, I don't think he's committed a murder or anything and I sincerely hope this isn't a country that puts people to death besides killing people.

The death penalty is killing people. (I know what you meant, just ribbing ya).

In the US, murder isn't the only crime that can warrant the death penalty. Treason and spying are both capital offenses. I seriously doubt Assamge has committed either treason (as he never owed any loyalty to the US) or spying (as he never got the information himself). However, as his acts fall into that general category, it is possible, albeit very unlikely, that the death penalty could be on the table.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

but he's not being put to death since he's not a US citizen so he is untouchable when it comes to the treason and Spying charge, THOUGH he got his information from Bradley manning who did commit treason/Spying/aiding the enemy who could be put to death or life imprisonment.

[morefngdbs]

At 7/13/12 01:31 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: Risking American lives. and it loss the credebility of the US slowly recovering Foreign Policy.

;;;;;
I don't believe that risks American lives more than say , invading a soverign nation for a bullshit trumped up reason !
I personally see no reason to blame anyone who kills American soldiers when those soldiers have illegally invaded their homeland.

THe USA is a bully nation who feel they have some ultimate right to just bomb the shit out of who ever they want....& you have the never to say wiki leaks is responsible for loss of US credibility !

Your political masters & their might makes right attitude is responsible, you foriegn policy of kill anyone who doesn't play ball with you is the problem.
Never forget ( I sure as hell don't) that you have no problem getting into bed with CHina or a nation of terroist sponsers like Saudi Arabia simply because if fits your needs.
Fuck human rights, communism, etc. when cheap oil of goods are what your political masters have decided to go for the so called leaders would invite the devil himself in & have no problem turning over as many American souls as it cost...as long as their souls & their families are doing OK !

[Mr-Shark]

This thread is pretty sickening, you guys are so brain washed by your Nazi government.

[Feoric]

At 7/15/12 02:36 PM, Mr-Shark wrote: This thread is pretty sickening, you guys are so brain washed by your Nazi government.

why don't you tell us the truth, then, since you're, ostensibly, morally and intellectually superior than all of us.

[MrFlopz]

Welcome to the modern world. Back in the days of the British Empire you didn't have TV and the internet broadcasting all the wrongdoings of the British to the world. Now information is something easy to access and a nation can be held accountable to their actions. But our government is still clamping down and trying to remain a part of a world where deceit and secrecy are commonplace. Unfortunately, secret government operations aren't so secret anymore and the US cannot simply pretend they never happened. If we've gotten to the point where simply exposing America's actions is a threat to our national security, then perhaps we should stop doing whatever it is that people want to kill us for. Maybe instead of patching up all the leaks we can change our actions and accept the scrutiny of a modern world.

Now, revealing personal information about CIA operatives that could endanger an individual is a different story. But exposing the actions of our government to the world should not cause a security threat. And if it does then those actions are the real problem. Not the information.

[HomicidialFrog]

At 7/15/12 02:36 PM, Mr-Shark wrote: This thread is pretty sickening, you guys are so brain washed by your Nazi government.

The OP's ignorance of what's going on in Syria and Afghanistan was so blatant I nearly puke at his naivety.

[orangebomb]

At 7/15/12 02:36 PM, Mr-Shark wrote: This thread is pretty sickening, you guys are so brain washed by your Nazi government.

Ok really? Using anything related to Nazi Germany in comparison to our government, or about 90% percent of things for that matter is just lazy and inaccurate. I mean, it's not like we're going to send Manning or Assange to a concentration camp if they are extradited to the States. It's exaggerated statements like that just baffles my mind, especially if they're trying to be cheeky or a smart-ass.

As for Assange, I don't really see him get the death penalty for a multitude of reasons, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he did get a date with the needle. Treason isn't tolerated anywhere else, {even in liberally-soft Europe} there is no reason why America should be no different.

[aviewaskewed]

At 7/13/12 04:43 AM, Saren wrote: If extradited to the U.S!

Is that happening? Last I checked, not happening...so why are we discussing it?

I think this proves that Obama isn't as soft on terrorists as people think he is.

Only idiots in "the bubble" think that. Pulling the trigger on Bin Laden, Al Awalki, etc. proved he wasn't. Also how is Assange a terrorist? Please explain.

This news makes me happy.

Really? Because last I checked the US didn't even ask for him...also this goes on to prove what an idiot you are.

Its always good to see freedom being upheld.

LOLOLOL! You think it's upholding freedom by executing a guy for reporting shit that embarrassed the US government and made it look bad? Executing journalists is freedom now? Holy shit are you scary stupid...

Like with the embargo on Cuba,

That's not freedom. That's petulantly trying to starve a nation that doesn't matter because it's leader lied to us and tricked us into putting him into power.

and the Chinese criminals that the U.S harbours in its embassy in China for the purpose of freedom.

The fuck are you talking about?

Also the U.S wars on Syria and Afghanistan.

Also not about freedom in any way...do you even know what freedom means?

In Syria we are helping the freedom loving rebels to overthrow the corrupt anti-U.S government,

Purely for altruistic reasons...yes...

in Afghanistan we are rooting out all of the religious crazies that have been born to have it out for America just because they hate freedom and Christianity.

Wow...just wow...so stupid...stop talking...you've read too many Bush administration press releases...

First however Assange needs to be extradited to the U.S, how this will happen I'm not sure.

And once Assange has died maybe we can put Bradley Manning to death as well, we already have him in solitary confinement which is breaking him and maybe he will give incriminating evidence about Assange and wikileaks.

Death sentences for everybody who makes America look bad! Death sentences for following your conscience!!

DEATH FOR FREEDOM!!!

Don't vote, don't reproduce...please oh please...you're exactly what's wrong with the political conversation these days.

[MrFlopz]

At 7/13/12 04:43 AM, Saren wrote:

:in Afghanistan we are rooting out all of the religious crazies that have been born to have it out for America just because they hate freedom and Christianity.

I overlooked this before, but now I think this is a troll thread. But who knows? It's amazing how simple minded people can be. "They hate us for our freedom". Ugh.

[Mr-Shark]

At 7/17/12 01:06 PM, MrFlopz wrote:

At 7/13/12 04:43 AM, Saren wrote: in Afghanistan we are rooting out all of the religious crazies that have been born to have it out for America just because they hate freedom and Christianity.

I overlooked this before, but now I think this is a troll thread. But who knows? It's amazing how simple minded people can be. "They hate us for our freedom". Ugh.

It's even more amazing that you believe that America is in Afghanistan fighting "terrorists" .

[MrFlopz]

At 7/17/12 01:47 PM, Mr-Shark wrote:

At 7/17/12 01:06 PM, MrFlopz wrote:

At 7/13/12 04:43 AM, Saren wrote: in Afghanistan we are rooting out all of the religious crazies that have been born to have it out for America just because they hate freedom and Christianity.

I overlooked this before, but now I think this is a troll thread. But who knows? It's amazing how simple minded people can be. "They hate us for our freedom". Ugh.

It's even more amazing that you believe that America is in Afghanistan fighting "terrorists" .

It amazes me how people believe that the war on terror is simply a war to eliminate terrorism. How can people blindly listen to politicians? They do realize they are politicians right? Never trust someone who is trying to sell you something.

[MultiCanimefan]

I love it when people think murdering Assange or Manning is actually going to do anything. Keep trying to kill an idea, boys. Do you really think it would be over, you crypto-fascists?

[Korriken]

At 7/18/12 11:13 AM, MultiCanimefan wrote: I love it when people think murdering Assange or Manning is actually going to do anything. Keep trying to kill an idea, boys. Do you really think it would be over, you crypto-fascists?

say what you will, but if you don't punish criminals, it'll embolden others to do the same. you have any idea how many people would die in a 24 hour period if the government decided to stop punishing murderers? or how many people would be raped if the government decided to stop punishing rapists?

Punishment keeps people in line. Those who break the law are the ones who seem to lack a sense of self preservation, or people like Manning who believe their act will either somehow redeem them or make them a hero. About all Manning is going to become is a tiny blip on the news radar that will fade after his execution or life sentence, it's highly unlikely he or Assange will end up in history books, unless its one specifically for treason (well Manning might appear anyway, Assange would just get a brief mention).

At the end of the day Manning threw away his life to embarrass his nation for a few years and endanger a few people, nothing more. If he's lucky they'll just put him to death and spare him a life of shame and humiliation in a military prison. I get the distinct feeling though he'll get to live out the rest of his life as a traitor to his nation and be looked down upon til he dies.

Did he change anything? not in the long run. he'll be forgotten the diplomatic strains will be mended eventually and everything will go back to the way it was.

[morefngdbs]

At 7/18/12 12:49 PM, Korriken wrote: say what you will, but if you don't punish criminals, it'll embolden others to do the same.

;;;
BUt if it is the elected officials & or the advisors etc who are commiting the crimes or know of them & do nothing...then those that report those crimes are not criminals.

Sure those in power will twist it into whatever spin doctored story they can contrive to hide their lies & deceit & out right law breaking .
So IMO those who report wrong doing een if Bradley Manning did so, isn't as guilty as those who shouldn't have done the shit in the first place.

[MultiCanimefan]

At 7/18/12 12:49 PM, Korriken wrote:

At 7/18/12 11:13 AM, MultiCanimefan wrote: I love it when people think murdering Assange or Manning is actually going to do anything. Keep trying to kill an idea, boys. Do you really think it would be over, you crypto-fascists?

say what you will, but if you don't punish criminals, it'll embolden others to do the same. you have any idea how many people would die in a 24 hour period if the government decided to stop punishing murderers? or how many people would be raped if the government decided to stop punishing rapists?

There's already thousands of murders and rapes in the U.S. alone every year, so my guess would be not too many more.

Punishment keeps people in line.

It keeps psychopaths in line, and sometimes not even then.

Those who break the law are the ones who seem to lack a sense of self preservation, or people like Manning who believe their act will either somehow redeem them or make them a hero.

Yeah, these are the only 2 reasons why someone would break the law, ever.

About all Manning is going to become is a tiny blip on the news radar that will fade after his execution or life sentence, it's highly unlikely he or Assange will end up in history books, unless its one specifically for treason (well Manning might appear anyway, Assange would just get a brief mention).

I don't think it really matters how big or small of a blip somebody becomes, and I highly doubt either of them care about being remembered or getting into the history books. I don't believe Manning acted in that way because he thought it would redeem him or make him some hero. Well he is already a hero to many, many people so he's successful there I guess.

At the end of the day Manning threw away his life to embarrass his nation for a few years and endanger a few people, nothing more. If he's lucky they'll just put him to death and spare him a life of shame and humiliation in a military prison. I get the distinct feeling though he'll get to live out the rest of his life as a traitor to his nation and be looked down upon til he dies.

Seems like quite a bit of hooplah if that's all it was, and "nothing more." Then again this IS politics where everything needs to be a big spectacle up in lights, a huge circus.

Did he change anything? not in the long run. he'll be forgotten the diplomatic strains will be mended eventually and everything will go back to the way it was.

Until it happens again, and it will, hopefully with much more severity.

[Korriken]

At 7/18/12 01:49 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

There's already thousands of murders and rapes in the U.S. alone every year, so my guess would be not too many more.

Oh it would jump up by a pretty large number. just think about all the pathetic losers who are just DYING to get laid, only thing holding them back from targeting someone's sweet little daughter is the fact that he would be thrown in prison and fed to Bubba.

And the only thing keeping Daddy from killing his daughter's punk gangsta boyfriend is the fact that he'll end up on the receiving end of a dose of death in the local execution chamber for 1st degree murder.

That and the thought of being convicted of 1st degree murder is the ONLY thing keeping my ex stepfather alive. If it wasn't for that, I would turn a crossbow on him in a heartbeat.

It keeps psychopaths in line, and sometimes not even then.

It also keeps honest people honest. personally, I would love a Playstation 3. what's to keep me from trying to slip one out of the local Walmart, or better, someone else's house when they're not home? Oh right, the law. The risk of going to prison for 10+ years isn't worth the reward.

You ever wonder what prevents people from stealing your car? it's not the fact that they don't want it. There's a lot of people out there without a car who would LOVE to get one. They just don't wanna end up in prison for stealing someone else's.

Yeah, these are the only 2 reasons why someone would break the law, ever.

nah just a couple of many.

I don't think it really matters how big or small of a blip somebody becomes, and I highly doubt either of them care about being remembered or getting into the history books. I don't believe Manning acted in that way because he thought it would redeem him or make him some hero. Well he is already a hero to many, many people so he's successful there I guess.

He'll be forgotten soon enough. only real heroes and villains are remembered for more than a few years. Manning and Assad are neither.

Seems like quite a bit of hooplah if that's all it was, and "nothing more." Then again this IS politics where everything needs to be a big spectacle up in lights, a huge circus.

yeah, you hit the nail on the head on that one. Everything must always be a big deal in politics... as long as it benefits the right politician anyway.

Until it happens again, and it will, hopefully with much more severity.

I'm sure someone will try it again eventually. He'll meet the same fate. Makes me wonder though. You only hear about the successful ones. I wonder how many unknown would be traitors get nailed in the attempt and are quietly sent away never to be heard from again? The answer would probably surprise us both.

[Feoric]

At 7/18/12 04:15 PM, Korriken wrote: It also keeps honest people honest. personally, I would love a Playstation 3. what's to keep me from trying to slip one out of the local Walmart, or better, someone else's house when they're not home? Oh right, the law. The risk of going to prison for 10+ years isn't worth the reward.

so your moral conscious plays no part on your actions? if there were no laws you would just steal things left and right? the thought "this is objectively a wrong thing to do, even if it's legal" never crosses your mind? you only factor in the consequences?

[Korriken]

At 7/18/12 08:01 PM, Feoric wrote:

so your moral conscious plays no part on your actions? if there were no laws you would just steal things left and right? the thought "this is objectively a wrong thing to do, even if it's legal" never crosses your mind? you only factor in the consequences?

steal things left and right? nah. I'd just take what I wanted that I couldn't obtain normally that I could get my hands on when the owners are not around to kill me for trying. Would I kill someone for no reason? of course not. I'm not that damned evil.

I once clubbed a guy in the face with one of these when he broke a wooden rod on me and hurt my left arm in a fight. his weapon was broken so I took 2 mighty swings before he fled. Last time I saw him he still slurs when he talks.

I could have taken him hand to hand after his weapon was broken, but I didn't wanna fight him. I wanted him to suffer for having the gall to bring a weapon to bear against someone he thought was unarmed.

damned pity my sword was in the trunk of my car at the time. I could have left some REALLY nasty scars, or worse.

Either way he was at my mercy and I showed a little bit... Then the day I moved out I called child services. Why? For the children. Kids don't deserve to be subjected to such things.