Aspiring Artist

[kungfukilla]

I've been on Newgounds since god knows when, never really decided to make an account because I just played games and whatnot. Then, I had an epiphany. I can post my artwork here for people to see too. :O So here I am, posting my innermost thoughts. Please feel free to give me feedback, and don't sugar coat nothin'. I'm a big girl I can handle it. ;)

[kungfukilla]

And this one

[kungfukilla]

Aaaannnddd this one

[bigjonny13]

At 7/6/12 08:16 AM, kungfukilla wrote: Aaaannnddd this one

This one is better than the first two because it's a lot cleaner, whereas the first two were more scribbled out.

[PMMurphy]

At 7/6/12 08:16 AM, kungfukilla wrote: Aaaannnddd this one

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Oh and i think you should begin learning to draw with pencil or graphite instead of pen. Its easier to shade with that medium and understand values.

[ImpendingRiot]

At 7/6/12 01:12 PM, PMMurphy wrote:

At 7/6/12 08:16 AM, kungfukilla wrote: Aaaannnddd this one

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Oh and i think you should begin learning to draw with pencil or graphite instead of pen. Its easier to shade with that medium and understand values.

Not sure I agree. The artist seems to be more interested in abstract/graphic design-ish work. Definitely very line centric. The understanding of anatomy seems to be decent enough.

As for the work itself, I dig it. It has a kinetic quality to it.

[PMMurphy]

All because somebody does astract or lineart doesn't give them an excuse to skip the fundamentals.

[M-Vero]

Fundamentals aren't bound to a medium

[ImpendingRiot]

At 7/6/12 01:19 PM, PMMurphy wrote: All because somebody does astract or lineart doesn't give them an excuse to skip the fundamentals.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying I don't think they've skipped the fundamentals. Or if they have, they have a natural understanding of what works. The profile view of that woman speaks volumes. The use of red/white/black in that composition also suggests an understanding of what colors work together.

I'm just saying, there's a time and place to suggest an understand of the fundamentals. Given what has been showed so far, I don't think it's fair to make that assessment.

[PMMurphy]

Everyone including myself needs to learn the fundamentals. I am not implying the artist is incapable of doing the fundamentals i am implying that if she studied them alittle more i think her stuff would come out better.

I see common traits i use to do when i first started with pen that i no longer do because i didn't understand what something that is shaded properly or done with texture looked like.

So when i learned more with graphite those mistakes and such where gone away.

To put it simple when your working with ink/oil based media at first you think you can just work really fast without doing cross hatching because of how the ink covers the page. But if you draw with graphite and slowly build up you learn that is not the case. So i then began applying the concepts i learned from graphite into my ink works and things improved tenfold.

I am simply saying i see common misstakes that may be overlooked or not done because the artist is not expierenced with a more simple media.

Ink is difficult because you have very few chances to make misstakes. Once you put ink down you cant take it off, that why having a media that you can erase and constantly alter is also helpful. Helps you understand what things should really look like instead of what you can create.

And to top things off, If you continue to draw abstract or flat or 2 dimensional. Your eyes grow adapted to that image and think everything looks that way. you begin to stunt your growth and possibilities as an artist and other various things. This is where the fundamentals come in to help you.

[kungfukilla]

I never had the iniciative to learn the fundementals of art. I did go to art school, and I barely passed because I didn't know any of my vocabulary words. I take my pen and I spill my thoughts on a blank piece of paper. I don't really think about how to make it pretty, I just let go.

[kungfukilla]

I am simply saying i see common misstakes that may be overlooked or not done because the artist is not expierenced with a more simple media.

Art has no mistakes. Mistakes? What mistakes? I don't believe in mistakes. Maybe I already see in abstract 2D goodness. I have an interesting mindset, you should start thinking out of the box and free your emotions through a piece of paper or a canvas or something.

[Aigis]

At 7/6/12 06:58 PM, kungfukilla wrote: Art has no mistakes.

Just happy little accidents.

[PMMurphy]

Art has no mistakes. Mistakes? What mistakes? I don't believe in mistakes.

If thats your attitude, then thats your attitude. I should of thought about where i was before i gave a critique and that is my fault.

As for the rest of your comment and everything you say I am the same way and most of my stuff is simply a creation out of my mind. I have abstract and 2D art too. All because i have not posted anything doesn't mean i dont do it.

Do what you want with art, but if you want to improve and be able to sell your art for a living there are things you need to change including that attitude.

[ImpendingRiot]

At 7/6/12 07:40 PM, PMMurphy wrote:

Art has no mistakes. Mistakes? What mistakes? I don't believe in mistakes.

If thats your attitude, then thats your attitude. I should of thought about where i was before i gave a critique and that is my fault.

As for the rest of your comment and everything you say I am the same way and most of my stuff is simply a creation out of my mind. I have abstract and 2D art too. All because i have not posted anything doesn't mean i dont do it.

Do what you want with art, but if you want to improve and be able to sell your art for a living there are things you need to change including that attitude.

What do you mean you forgot where you were? Are you above us art plebeians with your superior knowledge? Come on. Lighten up.

[JackDGreatest]

This thing going on about fundamentals and whatever is cool and all... But can you post more of your stuff, it pleases me.

I like it.

[PMMurphy]

What do you mean you forgot where you were? Are you above us art plebeians with your superior knowledge? Come on. Lighten up.

People on this forum generally take things less seriously then others. I got caught up with the critques at conceptart.org to the point i thought i was their. At conceptart.org people expect these critiques and actually want them so they are not meant to affend anyone, here it might be considered offensive.

[Spags]

At 7/6/12 10:11 PM, PMMurphy wrote:

What do you mean you forgot where you were? Are you above us art plebeians with your superior knowledge? Come on. Lighten up.

People on this forum generally take things less seriously then others. I got caught up with the critques at conceptart.org to the point i thought i was their. At conceptart.org people expect these critiques and actually want them so they are not meant to affend anyone, here it might be considered offensive.

Don't be pretentious, people want the critiques here as well, but your advice seems a bit misguided. I think what Riot is trying to say OP hasn't posted anything with shading, yet you're giving him advice for shading. While shading is a fundamental, it is irrelevant to the style of art that has been posted thus far.

OP - in terms of your most recent nazi picture thingy, I think you should be more careful with your line edges. Your swastika has pretty crisp and straight edges whereas the red angles on the left are much sloppier. Try using masking tape or a ruler with that!

[Lucky]

At 7/6/12 01:19 PM, PMMurphy wrote: All because somebody does astract or lineart doesn't give them an excuse to skip the fundamentals.

the fundamentals can be learned with ink just as well as they can be learned with a pencil. Even more so sometimes, because you can't undo the line which makes it much better to improve. I've went over dozens of sketchbooks containing nothing but ink because it's a fun and a quick way to put down concepts without worrying about making it perfect. I'm not saying it's the only way to improve, but it certainly is a great way to improve. And the person has passion for it who are you to tell him/her you know better than them? Experimentation with mediums is one of the best part of being an artist.
The stuff still looks incredibly sketchy, i'd suggest some .3 and .5 pens and a old school brush nib and india ink. Practice circles and straight lines with it for half a sketchbook thinking of what the lines symbolize e.g. a thick line indicates a lack of light and a thin line symbolising direct light hitting it. And have fun with it

[PMMurphy]

Don't be pretentious, people want the critiques here as well, but your advice seems a bit misguided. I think what Riot is trying to say OP hasn't posted anything with shading, yet you're giving him advice for shading. While shading is a fundamental, it is irrelevant to the style of art that has been posted thus far.

OP - in terms of your most recent nazi picture thingy, I think you should be more careful with your line edges. Your swastika has pretty crisp and straight edges whereas the red angles on the left are much sloppier. Try using masking tape or a ruler with that!

What i meant was the way i said the critique.

I mentioned shading because their are indications in some of her works where she attempts to create form with strokes. Learning how to shade will improve that ability.

As for the other quote, im not saying ink isn't a bad medium but i think something eraseable is an easier learning tool. Just a personal opinion.

[PMMurphy]

I mentioned shading because their are indications in some of her works where she attempts to create form with strokes. Learning how to shade will improve that ability.

To further clarify as i am more then certain people don't get what i mean. Shading helps you visualize the form better when when doing your strokes to create it, you can continue to work at it to create a better form. Not that your shading at all.

[EnactJudo]

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[Izzy-A]

Art has no mistakes. Mistakes? What mistakes?

That's my philosophy. It's only a mistake if you say it is and you can't back anything up logically.

[JessePants]

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