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Are you conservative or liberal

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Response to Are you conservative or liberal 2012-07-09 02:35:43


At 7/7/12 09:26 PM, Angry-Hatter wrote:
At 7/7/12 08:52 PM, BillroyandJonjon wrote: i just based it on his political performance, his election campaigns, and his two auto-biographies. i might have answered one or two wrong....
Yeah, try a dozen or more. Obama further to the left than me? Further to the left than ANYONE? That's rich.

It's funny how when Liberals can push the country further and further economically left over the course of many decades, they then get to redefine what left/right it is out of that.

For instance:

Time Period 1:
Right Position: No Social Security
Left Position: Supports Social Security

Time Period 2:
Right Position: Supports Social Security, but with means testing to save money.
Left Position: Supports Social Security, but against means testing.

Time Period 3 rolls around. Someone says Social Security should be widdled down/gotten rid of, the left accuses him of being an extremist and anyone who supports means testing as "right wing."

Response to Are you conservative or liberal 2012-07-09 03:10:29


At 7/9/12 02:35 AM, Memorize wrote: It's funny how when Liberals can push the country further and further economically left over the course of many decades, they then get to redefine what left/right it is out of that.

I'm sorry, the liberals get to define what left and right are? Conservatives in America have so much control over the definition and everyday use of the word "liberal" that no self-respecting American liberal wants to be identified by the term anymore. If anyone has mastered redefining the political spectrum, it's conservatives.

Response to Are you conservative or liberal 2012-07-09 03:24:00


At 7/9/12 03:10 AM, Dawnslayer wrote:
I'm sorry, the liberals get to define what left and right are? Conservatives in America have so much control over the definition and everyday use of the word "liberal" that no self-respecting American liberal wants to be identified by the term anymore. If anyone has mastered redefining the political spectrum, it's conservatives.

In all fairness though, who would actually want to even be associated with the term of a Modern Day liberal?

If anything, you should thank those hypocritical, jackass conservatives for doing them a favor.

Response to Are you conservative or liberal 2012-07-09 03:26:16


At 7/9/12 02:35 AM, Memorize wrote: Time Period 1:
Right Position: No Social Security
Left Position: Supports Social Security

Yeah, that's pretty much what we have now, right wingers wanting to privatize Social Security (i.e. no Social Security), whereas left wingers want to keep it as it is or expand it.


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Response to Are you conservative or liberal 2012-07-09 09:10:43


At 7/9/12 03:24 AM, Memorize wrote:
At 7/9/12 03:10 AM, Dawnslayer wrote:
I'm sorry, the liberals get to define what left and right are? Conservatives in America have so much control over the definition and everyday use of the word "liberal" that no self-respecting American liberal wants to be identified by the term anymore. If anyone has mastered redefining the political spectrum, it's conservatives.
In all fairness though, who would actually want to even be associated with the term of a Modern Day liberal?

That's a good question, because the term "liberal" is so muddled that I don't even know what it means anymore. As far as I can tell the only fixed definition is something along the lines of "a derogatory insult associated with any political viewpoint not identical to those which define conservatism at the specific point in time in which the insult is given."

Response to Are you conservative or liberal 2012-07-09 10:04:04


I'm way more of a liberal than a conservative. I consider myself centralist in UK politics


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Response to Are you conservative or liberal 2012-07-09 10:57:24


by american standards, I'm practically communist, but i'm not. just a little to the left.

Response to Are you conservative or liberal 2012-07-09 17:49:26


At 7/7/12 04:09 AM, Angry-Hatter wrote:
At 7/7/12 03:46 AM, hateyou1 wrote: Redistribution of wealth
A practice employed by basically every President since Roosevelt.

Nope. That is what socialist and communist dictatorships practice, not capitalism.

social healthcare
Please, the so-called "Obamacare" is a joke if you're looking at it from a socialist point of view. It's largely based on private insurance.

See, from a SOCIALIST point of view. Nobody wants socialism in America, so give up already and move to Europe.

constant tax rises
Taxes are the lowest they've been since before the Great Depression. Obama extended the Bush tax-cuts. One third of the stimulus package was tax cuts.

People who make over 250k has to pay 40% of their income. The left wants to increase it. In socialist nations, the tax for anyone who makes anything pays between 55-80% of their income.

creation of more government programs
Creating more government programs is not inherently liberal/socialist.

Yes it is. It increases the size of government, which is what socialism is about.

larger government
And yet the public sector has seen a record decline under Obama, even greater than under Reagan. That's an odd definition of "larger".

That is a bunch of crap.

talks of creating a "civilian security force just as strong and just as well funded as our military"
Wrong again Bob.

Sorry, but that site is owned by the same owners of PBS and CBS, two stations that covers Obama and the left. So if you want to give me a source, give me a legit one, shmuck!

granting amnesty to illegal immigrants
No, see, you've got Obama confused with Ronald Reagan. Reagan gave amnesty to illegal aliens. Obama hasn't done anything even close to what Reagan did, further evidence that Obama is further to the right than even Reagan.

Dummy! You are a dummy! Obama isn't making ANY effort on stopping illegal immigrants from coming because he knows they are the only people who will give Obama the chance of winning re-election. That is why he wants illegals in this country. It costs over 300 billion to keep them in every year.

covering up for a corrupt attorney general who gave guns to criminals
That has absolutely zero to do with Obama being liberal, conservative, socialist, or anything.

Well it has a lot to do with the fact that he is a terrible president and should never, EVER, be a thought in anyone's mind that he should be re-elected (at least, to any rational person who has a brain).

must I go on?
Must you?

No, I don't. It would be like talking to a brick wall. It's obvious that you are a cover-up artist paid by Soros.

Response to Are you conservative or liberal 2012-07-09 18:09:47


At 7/9/12 05:49 PM, hateyou1 wrote: Nope. That is what socialist and communist dictatorships practice, not capitalism.

Redistribution of wealth also exists from the common man to the wealthy. Just because conservatives wish to send the money the opposite direction doesn't change that it is still redistricution of wealth.

See, from a SOCIALIST point of view. Nobody wants socialism in America, so give up already and move to Europe.

Nobody wants socialism, but then again, most of us care about our fellow neighbors and would be willnig to give up a little (very little in this case) to ensure they get the most basic healthcare needs.

People who make over 250k has to pay 40% of their income. The left wants to increase it. In socialist nations, the tax for anyone who makes anything pays between 55-80% of their income.

Actually it's closer to 33%-35%. Even then, these numbers are the lowest they've been in close to a century.

Yes it is. It increases the size of government, which is what socialism is about.

Not necessarily. The largest program growth in a long time occurred under Bush.

That is a bunch of crap.

Back up that assertion.

Dummy! You are a dummy! Obama isn't making ANY effort on stopping illegal immigrants from coming because he knows they are the only people who will give Obama the chance of winning re-election. That is why he wants illegals in this country. It costs over 300 billion to keep them in every year.

Actually, latinos are quite conservative. It's a wonder why the Conservatives haven't picked up on this to get a large and quickly expanding demographic on their side.

Well it has a lot to do with the fact that he is a terrible president and should never, EVER, be a thought in anyone's mind that he should be re-elected (at least, to any rational person who has a brain).

Seriously? How many times have other Presidents covered shit just as bad as this? ALL THE TIME!! This issue is about as new and amazing as rain in a hurricane. The only people who are up in arms about it are those who are either too stupid to realize this, or those on the right who want to capitalize on it.

No, I don't. It would be like talking to a brick wall. It's obvious that you are a cover-up artist paid by Soros.

Pot, I introduce you to Kettle.

Response to Are you conservative or liberal 2012-07-10 01:57:18


At 7/9/12 05:49 PM, hateyou1 wrote:
A practice employed by basically every President since Roosevelt.
Nope. That is what socialist and communist dictatorships practice, not capitalism.

The United States of America, Communist dictatorship since 1933.

social healthcare
Please, the so-called "Obamacare" is a joke if you're looking at it from a socialist point of view. It's largely based on private insurance.
See, from a SOCIALIST point of view. Nobody wants socialism in America, so give up already and move to Europe.

Ok, so now you're switching position and saying that Obamacare isn't really social healthcare, which is right.

constant tax rises
Taxes are the lowest they've been since before the Great Depression. Obama extended the Bush tax-cuts. One third of the stimulus package was tax cuts.
People who make over 250k has to pay 40% of their income. The left wants to increase it. In socialist nations, the tax for anyone who makes anything pays between 55-80% of their income.

Actually, it's 35%, and in a whole lot of cases, the wealthy use tax loopholes and other legal ways to avoid paying taxes which puts their actual tax rate much much lower than that (Mitt Romney, for example, who only paid about 14% in taxes on his income in 2010). The effective tax rate in America today is the lowest it's been since the 1950's.

And you realize that by your definition, the US was a "socialist nation" from 1932 all the way up 'till 1986, right?

creation of more government programs
Creating more government programs is not inherently liberal/socialist.
Yes it is. It increases the size of government, which is what socialism is about.

Funny, here I was thinking that socialism was a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state. But I guess that ANY program initiated by the state, regardless of its content, is socialism. I'm so happy I've finally found someone who gets what socialism is about and can explain these things in such an eloquent and informed manner.

And yet the public sector has seen a record decline under Obama, even greater than under Reagan. That's an odd definition of "larger".
That is a bunch of crap.

Excellent counterpoint.

Sorry, but that site is owned by the same owners of PBS and CBS, two stations that covers Obama and the left. So if you want to give me a source, give me a legit one, shmuck!

How about no? How about YOU provide me with a source to back up YOUR ridiculous claim?

Dummy! You are a dummy! Obama isn't making ANY effort on stopping illegal immigrants from coming because he knows they are the only people who will give Obama the chance of winning re-election. That is why he wants illegals in this country. It costs over 300 billion to keep them in every year.

1) The rate of deportations under President Obama is higher than it was under President George W. Bush.

2) More money is being spent on border security under President Obama than under President Bush.

3) Illegal immigrants cannot vote.

Well it has a lot to do with the fact that he is a terrible president and should never, EVER, be a thought in anyone's mind that he should be re-elected (at least, to any rational person who has a brain).

Oh, there are many reasons for why Obama doesn't deserve re-election. Being a socialist isn't among the reasons though, because he isn't one.

No, I don't. It would be like talking to a brick wall. It's obvious that you are a cover-up artist paid by Soros.

It's also fairly obvious that you are trolling, Obvious Troll.


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Response to Are you conservative or liberal 2012-07-10 03:03:41


At 7/9/12 03:26 AM, Angry-Hatter wrote:
At 7/9/12 02:35 AM, Memorize wrote: Time Period 1:
Right Position: No Social Security
Left Position: Supports Social Security
Yeah, that's pretty much what we have now, right wingers wanting to privatize Social Security (i.e. no Social Security), whereas left wingers want to keep it as it is or expand it.

Yes, because obviously privatizing something means it will never exist...

Like private bridges...
or private roads...
or Private tolls...
or private construction companies...
or Private Auto Manufacturers...
or Private Charities...
or Private Investments...

Response to Are you conservative or liberal 2012-07-10 03:07:47


At 7/10/12 03:03 AM, Memorize wrote: Yes, because obviously privatizing something means it will never exist...

Like private bridges...
or private roads...
or Private tolls...
or private construction companies...
or Private Auto Manufacturers...
or Private Charities...
or Private Investments...

If it is privatized, then yes, it is no longer "Social" Security, it's just another private pension fund.


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Response to Are you conservative or liberal 2012-07-10 12:55:06


Could've sworn i would've been more libertarian that this depicted. oh well.

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Response to Are you conservative or liberal 2012-07-10 13:34:02


At 7/10/12 12:55 PM, All-American-Badass wrote: Could've sworn i would've been more libertarian that this depicted. oh well.

Without a middle ground, the final result can be quite skewed. Not to mention the changing direction of the questions can throw you off. It's like changin from a bunch of which is true to a which is not true. What is this, a high school quiz?

Response to Are you conservative or liberal 2012-07-10 15:40:42


The day will come when being a liberal is illegal, and that day will be a wonderful day. Life in prison I hope for all you liberals. Hardly even human really.

Response to Are you conservative or liberal 2012-07-10 17:19:00


At 7/10/12 03:40 PM, frigi wrote: The day will come when being a liberal is illegal, and that day will be a wonderful day. Life in prison I hope for all you liberals. Hardly even human really.

Yes, because having an open-mind and striving for equality on all borders of diversity is inhumane. Really? Just shut up, please. You're only making a cunt of yourself.

I'd consider myself a social-liberal and a moderate in fiscal terms. However, labels are labels and don't really give justice to either liberals or conservatives.


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Response to Are you conservative or liberal 2012-07-10 17:47:54


I'm more Conservative but I'm not religious at all other than the fact that I do celebrate the normal American Holidays like Christmas and Easter. I side more with the viewpoints of South Park creators Matt Stone and Trey Parker. I can't side with the idiots in Hollywood and Michael Moore with his documentary of bullshit that aren't based on facts.


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Response to Are you conservative or liberal 2012-07-10 17:53:10


At 7/7/12 01:38 PM, Blazirc wrote: Politics are just stupid.

Well that is true, because most of the time you're choosing from a Turd-Sandwich and a Giant Douche.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5gXRPXs0PQ

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Response to Are you conservative or liberal 2012-07-11 02:34:51


At 7/10/12 03:07 AM, Angry-Hatter wrote:
If it is privatized, then yes, it is no longer "Social" Security, it's just another private pension fund.

At least that Pension Fund can't be raided to fund unnecessary and illegal wars.

Response to Are you conservative or liberal 2012-07-11 03:53:15


At 7/11/12 02:34 AM, Memorize wrote: At least that Pension Fund can't be raided to fund unnecessary and illegal wars.

Way to find the silver lining dude.


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Response to Are you conservative or liberal 2012-07-12 09:01:09


liberal

but i hate liberals

Response to Are you conservative or liberal 2012-07-12 11:58:31


At 7/12/12 09:01 AM, science-is-fun wrote: liberal

but i hate liberals

I think you better qualify as a "self-hating liberal".

Response to Are you conservative or liberal 2012-07-12 20:20:50


how things have changed so much since the days of high school idealism.

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Response to Are you conservative or liberal 2012-07-13 15:57:34


This is how I placed on the Political Compass:

Economic Left/Right: -7.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.72

I obviously have a lot of distrust for the government, but I also have trust in its civilians to be distrustful as well. To me, the real enemies are the people that operate behind the scenes; if you look at the top 20 wealthiest people in the country, most people won't even know who they are.

Even churches, which I adamantly detest, have many people involved that are genuinely trying to do the right thing, but when someone gets involved in business, they're trying to make money. Nobody goes into business to make the world a better place, and that's why corporations require such heavy regulations.

What really bothers me is someone who refuses to recall a product because it's cheaper to pay off lawsuits than to issue a recall, or anybody who makes similar decisions based off of money. When a CEO will allow thousands or even millions of people to die just to increase profits, I find that worse than genocide; when you actively pit an army against a specific culture or population, you are acknowledging human life, even if you disregard it. When you make a business decision without even taking into account the number of people dying, you aren't showing any recognition for human life in the first place.

Furthermore, there are, statistically, more than enough sociopaths to populate a conspiracy or leadership positions, and keep in mind that a sociopath is actively seeking out these kinds of roles. For the most part, I don't believe in a whole lot of conspiracies, but I rarely rule out the possibility of one.


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Response to Are you conservative or liberal 2012-07-14 15:33:11


At 7/12/12 11:58 AM, Camarohusky wrote: I think you better qualify as a "self-hating liberal"

They hate labels like "white" and "capitalist", not themselves, they are actually quite narcissistic, they view themselves as edgy rebels whose job it is to shock conformist corporate drones out of their shells.

Response to Are you conservative or liberal 2012-07-15 14:12:09


At 7/6/12 06:43 PM, Dawnslayer wrote:
At 7/6/12 05:01 PM, Psychojoseph wrote: 4:Repeal the 2nd Amendment(which allows us to keep and bear arms)
Wrong. Your definition has failed.

it still does not change that the earliest definition of liberal (which I know of) is that they desire extreme change.

Response to Are you conservative or liberal 2012-07-16 12:15:18


At 7/15/12 02:12 PM, lilfozzy wrote: it still does not change that the earliest definition of liberal (which I know of) is that they desire extreme change.

So? When people say liberal they generally mean modern american liberal. No point splitting hairs. The US has 2 major political institutions divided between the democrats who are liberal and republicans who are conservative, it's pretty obvious.

Response to Are you conservative or liberal 2012-07-16 14:20:21


Last year we had to take a test for my government class, and I was the most liberal in the class by far.


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Response to Are you conservative or liberal 2012-07-16 20:36:17


At 7/12/12 08:20 PM, Iron-Hampster wrote: how things have changed so much since the days of high school idealism.

well that looks pretty idealistic to me


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Response to Are you conservative or liberal 2012-07-17 04:16:26


left/right is too limiting.

Anyone who identifies themselves with a party is limiting their opinions.

Look at it this way. If there are 20 options, there is a 1 in a million chance that two parties disagree on every single issue. Yet the country is mostly republicans and democrats? sounds like a contrived system to me.

like more intelligent people, i'm closer to libertarian than anything else. but i wouldn't just say "i'm a libertarian" because i don't vote down party lines. i don't vote at all.

because voting is pointless.


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