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Just wondering,are you conservative or liberal,Im conservative.

Overall I'd probably say I'm more conservative, but I dislike catch-all labels like 'Conservative' 'Liberal' 'Left Wing' etc

Please define.

At 7/6/12 05:36 AM, Psychojoseph wrote: Just wondering,are you conservative or liberal,Im conservative.

Social liberal (but against forcing political correctness on the bigots), Economic conservative. pacifist.

So you are asking are you conservative or are you a rotten piece of shit?
I am conservative, I am not a rotten piece of shit.

At 7/6/12 09:26 AM, animehater wrote: Please define.

Liberal means you want to change everything,A liberal would want the following things done.
1:Legalize gay marraige
2:Keep abortion legal
3:Keep religion(particulary Christianity) and politics from mixing
4:Repeal the 2nd Amendment(which allows us to keep and bear arms)
5:Open up our borders
A conservative would want the opposite of everything I just described.

At 7/6/12 05:01 PM, Psychojoseph wrote: 4:Repeal the 2nd Amendment(which allows us to keep and bear arms)

Wrong. Your definition has failed.

I don't know, most "political quizes" put me smack dab in the center, I really don't care and I admire both Left wing and right wing presidents and hate both left wing and right wing presidents.

At 7/6/12 11:27 AM, frigi wrote: So you are asking are you conservative or are you a rotten piece of shit?
I am conservative, I am not a rotten piece of shit.

Ah good ol' American politics at their best.

The last political quiz I took labelled me as a neo-conservative... Go figure.

At 7/6/12 11:27 AM, frigi wrote: So you are asking are you conservative or are you a rotten piece of shit?
I am conservative, I am not a rotten piece of shit.

You and liberals who say the same about conservatives should just disappear.

At 7/6/12 05:01 PM, Psychojoseph wrote: Liberal means you want to change everything,A liberal would want the following things done.

Yes, liberals want to change everything. absolutely everything.

4:Repeal the 2nd Amendment(which allows us to keep and bear arms)

lol what? no. gun control =/= repealing the 2nd amendment. That's preposterous.

5:Open up our borders

I don't think completely. That seems like an exaggeration.

A conservative would want the opposite of everything I just described.

I don't think all of them would have the complete opposite of number 3 on your list.

At 7/6/12 08:50 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:

At 7/6/12 11:27 AM, frigi wrote: So you are asking are you conservative or are you a rotten piece of shit?
I am conservative, I am not a rotten piece of shit.

You and liberals who say the same about conservatives should just disappear.

At 7/6/12 05:01 PM, Psychojoseph wrote: Liberal means you want to change everything,A liberal would want the following things done.

Yes, liberals want to change everything. absolutely everything.

4:Repeal the 2nd Amendment(which allows us to keep and bear arms)

lol what? no. gun control =/= repealing the 2nd amendment. That's preposterous.

The defintions fail to capture everyones personal beliefs and ideas. If you just go with liberal or conservative people get an idea of what you believe in but often miss some things.

also, some gun control is just absolute bullshit and ridiculous.

good gun control: Felons are not allowed to own firearms

Bullshit: having a pistol grip on a rifle and a bayonet lug makes your firearm an illegal machine gun. (yes this does exist)

pistol grips are just grips you should know that shit. Bayonet lugs are about 1cm of metal that allows a bayonet to slide onto a rifle, rifles going back like 200 years have this shit in some form or another.

Anyway to get back on topic.... I'm more of a conservative i suppose... But i don't believe abortion or pot should be illegal.... and i don't want religion and politics mixxing either.

I don't think I'd characterize myself as either liberal or conservative, particularly not in the American sense of the words.

The Political Compass quiz rates me like this, for whatever it's worth:

At 7/6/12 09:43 PM, Angry-Hatter wrote: I don't think I'd characterize myself as either liberal or conservative, particularly not in the American sense of the words.

Don't worry about it. American liberals don't like being characterized as liberal in the American sense of the word either.

I don't think anyone is turly conservative or liberal. There are things they are conservaive about but there are things they will be liberal about.

Me for example,

Same-sex marriage- liberal
gun control- conservative

At 7/6/12 09:43 PM, Angry-Hatter wrote: I don't think I'd characterize myself as either liberal or conservative, particularly not in the American sense of the words.

The Political Compass quiz rates me like this, for whatever it's worth:

Obama right? Right away that chart is the biggest joke I've ever seen.

At 7/6/12 08:50 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:

At 7/6/12 11:27 AM, frigi wrote: So you are asking are you conservative or are you a rotten piece of shit?
I am conservative, I am not a rotten piece of shit.

You and liberals who say the same about conservatives should just disappear.

Why should he disappear? It's not like the JFK liberals exist anymore. So in that sense, I agree with him 100% that today liberals are pieces of shit. I mean, whatever happened to "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country"?

At 7/7/12 03:27 AM, hateyou1 wrote:

At 7/6/12 09:43 PM, Angry-Hatter wrote: The Political Compass quiz rates me like this, for whatever it's worth:

Obama right? Right away that chart is the biggest joke I've ever seen.

The only joke is how many people in America think that a center-right politician such as Obama is a liberal or even a socialist.

At 7/7/12 03:39 AM, Angry-Hatter wrote:

At 7/7/12 03:27 AM, hateyou1 wrote:

At 7/6/12 09:43 PM, Angry-Hatter wrote: The Political Compass quiz rates me like this, for whatever it's worth:

Obama right? Right away that chart is the biggest joke I've ever seen.

The only joke is how many people in America think that a center-right politician such as Obama is a liberal or even a socialist.

Redistribution of wealth, social healthcare, constant tax rises, creation of more government programs, larger government, talks of creating a "civilian security force just as strong and just as well funded as our military", granting amnesty to illegal immigrants, covering up for a corrupt attorney general who gave guns to criminals, must I go on?

At 7/7/12 03:46 AM, hateyou1 wrote: Redistribution of wealth

A practice employed by basically every President since Roosevelt.

social healthcare

Please, the so-called "Obamacare" is a joke if you're looking at it from a socialist point of view. It's largely based on private insurance.

constant tax rises

Taxes are the lowest they've been since before the Great Depression. Obama extended the Bush tax-cuts. One third of the stimulus package was tax cuts.

creation of more government programs

Creating more government programs is not inherently liberal/socialist.

larger government

And yet the public sector has seen a record decline under Obama, even greater than under Reagan. That's an odd definition of "larger".

talks of creating a "civilian security force just as strong and just as well funded as our military"

Wrong again Bob.

granting amnesty to illegal immigrants

No, see, you've got Obama confused with Ronald Reagan. Reagan gave amnesty to illegal aliens. Obama hasn't done anything even close to what Reagan did, further evidence that Obama is further to the right than even Reagan.

covering up for a corrupt attorney general who gave guns to criminals

That has absolutely zero to do with Obama being liberal, conservative, socialist, or anything.

must I go on?

Must you?

At 7/6/12 05:01 PM, Psychojoseph wrote:

At 7/6/12 09:26 AM, animehater wrote: Please define.

Liberal means you want to change everything,A liberal would want the following things done.
1:Legalize gay marraige
2:Keep abortion legal
3:Keep religion(particulary Christianity) and politics from mixing
4:Repeal the 2nd Amendment(which allows us to keep and bear arms)
5:Open up our borders
A conservative would want the opposite of everything I just described.

See this is the point I was making earlier. You can't use labels like this to describe people. These opinions aren't mutally exclusive. Eg, you could be in favour of Gay Marriage but opposed to abortion. Would that make you Conservative or Liberal?

Politics are just stupid.

As much as it sucks, I'm most closely defined as a bleeding heart pussy footed liberal. I prefer the term libertarian though.

According to this chart, I seem to be a leaning right libertarian.

Here's where political compass put me.

I do think PC is fundamentally flawed. There were a noticeable number of questions that I was genuinely ambivalent about. PC doesn't have a middle option for those who know of an issue, but don't really think one way or another about it.

At 7/6/12 05:01 PM, Psychojoseph wrote:

At 7/6/12 09:26 AM, animehater wrote: Please define.

Liberal means you want to change everything,A liberal would want the following things done.
1:Legalize gay marraige
2:Keep abortion legal
3:Keep religion(particulary Christianity) and politics from mixing
4:Repeal the 2nd Amendment(which allows us to keep and bear arms)
5:Open up our borders
A conservative would want the opposite of everything I just described.

your statement is true and false. #2,#4, and #5 you are completely right, #1 in controversial between some conservatives and #3 you were way off. conservatives know that we need to keep church and state separate because we need to keep church out of state but also state out of church... we don't need another dark ages going on in america.

hahaha, this is hilarious. i am practically right where Milton Friedman is. how am i not surprised? i odda do one based on how i think Obama thinks.

At 7/7/12 03:27 AM, hateyou1 wrote: Why should he disappear? It's not like the JFK liberals exist anymore. So in that sense, I agree with him 100% that today liberals are pieces of shit.

You see, people who talk the way he did, left or right, sound like complete cunts.

At 7/7/12 03:28 PM, RacistBassist wrote: As much as it sucks, I'm most closely defined as a bleeding heart pussy footed liberal. I prefer the term libertarian though.

a liberal and a libertarian are two completely different things. liberal comes from the Latin term liberalitate which translates to generosity, which makes sense to their actions since Woodrow Wilson. and libertarian comes from the Latin word liberty which means freedom. which explains libertarians sense the dawn of the U.S.A. the definitions hold.

also i did one on what i think obama thinks. haha i would expect something like this.

OBAMA

At 7/6/12 07:03 PM, Warforger wrote: I don't know, most "political quizes" put me smack dab in the center, I really don't care and I admire both Left wing and right wing presidents and hate both left wing and right wing presidents.

At 7/6/12 11:27 AM, frigi wrote: So you are asking are you conservative or are you a rotten piece of shit?
I am conservative, I am not a rotten piece of shit.

Ah good ol' American politics at their best.

hahaha, this guys great (warforger anyway) i have to agree with you completely on the presidents statement. love JFK, hate the federalists(and the one president they had) love Reagan, hate Wilson (for the 16th and 15th amendments and setting america to become more democratic and riding america of more of the republic side)

oh, and one of my favorite presidents is Andrew Jackson. you will see a trend in my presidential selection. i hate national banks, i hate the income tax to pay the IRS so they can pay the interest on the money loaned to the government by the federal reserve, i hate the inflation and deflation system, and i hate how all of our worthless paper dollars are not backed by real gold!!!