At 7/8/12 08:21 AM, morefngdbs wrote:
THere is no one paying while others do not.
Except that no one has a choice, now do they?
Such democratic people you are.
Oh you say, welfare people don't pay or the unemployed pay no taxes !
I could care less.
When I look at the fact that almost half pay no income taxes, I consider that half way in the right direction of no one having to pay it.
They do when the tax comes from taxes, goods & services. You buy a pair of sneakers theres a tax on them it goes to health care.
Then can you give me an example of any instance in your life where you can't be taxed or fined?
I work and be productive: I'm taxed.
I buy something: I'm taxed.
I don't buy what politicians want me to buy (ie. become a permanent customer base for Insurance Corporations): I'm taxed.
Why should I have to pay for merely being alive?
Doesn't matter if your earnings are from drug dealing & the Gov knows nothing about your earnings. You go buy some bling, you pay a 'goods tax' it goes to health care.
GET IT NOW ????
That wasn't the issue I was getting at, but ok.
Everyone pays ,anyone can get help.
Only people who are too lazy to get up and help themselves say that.
I've not once met a self-proclaimed liberal working in a soup kitchen. Why? Because they're idea of "Help" is forcing someone else to do it.
Its very simple, everyone pay to help thise sick today, everyone pays when you're the one sick or injured tomorrow
With absolutely no choice in the matter whatsoever.
Plus if you think about it instead of freaking the fuck out, its like putting money in your mnedical bank account,
Oh, you mean like Social Security... where the Government puts it in the General Fund to spend on War, missiles, bombs, corporate welfare...
building up for when you are the injured or sick one & it makes sense especially to get workers healthy again & productive as quickly as possible.
Which has nothing to do with Government mandated medicine, but mostly with the healthy life style choices of a culture.
The USof A is theonly supposedly civilized & 1st world nation that still bankrupts its citizens for medical care !
60% of Healthcare spending in the United States is Government.
35% is Private.
Of that 60%, it only covers around 50 million people while providing mediocre coverage, while that 35% covers over 200 million where the majority of its 'clients' are satisfied with their Coverage.
Now if a Government that's responsible for 60% of our Healthcare in our country can only barely cover around 50 million, what do you think will happen when its control is increased?
You are not paying for anyone else, you are paying for YOU !
Only in a liberal's bullshit, fantasy logic can anyone construe someone taking money from you at gunpoint and giving it to someone else as "Paying for yourself."
At 7/8/12 04:24 PM, aviewaskewed wrote:
I don't see where there's a government mandate in that...could you explain where the government fits into that equation?
Hospitals are required to treat people immediately regardless of whether or not they can actually pay.
This problem was created when hospitals and administrators became upset that doctors were providing their services for free in their own state or outside their states to free medical clinics and got the Governments to, more or less, shut them down.
Huh? I don't think we're actually talking about the same thing whatsoever now...
One relies on Voluntarism, the other relies on force.
The Public Option can never actually be "defeated" because they don't need to make a profit like who they're "competing" against.
If they go bust like the Post Office, the Government just takes more in taxes, borrows, or prints money to make up the difference.
But it is your fault for making a claim, and then not substantiating the claim. Something you tend to do a lot when you'd rather just end a post with something insulting against a person or group.
What? I made the claim and substantiated it within the same post.
You just didn't read all the way down.
And I actually have a question for every single one of you:
If people will truly be dying in record numbers in the streets if you don't have this mandate or force hospitals to treat people... then point to me a time anywhere in United States History where mass numbers of people were dying of illnesses and being left in the streets, before we had Government involvement/mandated medicine.
Also keep in mind the healthcare technology of the past.