At 6/25/12 08:37 PM, Zullzee wrote:
Saying what makes a band metal is the composition/song-writing is a very open ended answer. Tell me what kind of song-writing specifically, and don't worry, you can get technical with your definition, I've played and practice guitar for most of my life (I won't be like "hurr, what's an aeolian mode?".)
There is really no need to get into technical definition, really.
I'll bet you couldn't make a single definition of that because the style of song-writing changes drastically between certain sub-genres, and yet you have no problem classifying those sub-genres under metal but apparently not stuff like "core" music. A deathcore band like whitechapel sounds way more like death metal then dream theater does to any one traditional metal group. What's your justification for whitechapel not falling under the umbrella of metal? Because they have breakdowns? So one thing that is "different" then what you traditionally hear in metal (slayer has a breakdown in raining blood btw) is justification for not being metal? Then Dream Theater shouldn't be anywhere near the metal since they have a bajillion different aspects to their music than I ever hear in 90% of other metal bands.
There is not just one single definition of Metal because of the sub-genres. All genres are very different so like you said, I can't just make a bold definition and try to make it fit all sub-genres. Still, all metal genres and sub-genres have evolved from another. They all have the same roots, but evolved in various directions. Thrash Metal has given birth to Black Metal and Death Metal, but both genres evolved toward something else while retainning elements of the genre that influenced them. So there was Megadeth, than Death, than Cannibal Corpse, than Benighted... This is just an example, I know there was countless bands that influenced every single of these bands, but I think you get my point. Benighted doesn't sound like Megadeth, but even in Modern Death Metal you can still find elements of early Thrash Metal.
While Deathcore seems to retain elements from Death Metal, if you look in depth you just find that Deathcore lacks everything that makes Death Metal awesome. It may be produced like Modern Death Metal, but if you look past the solos, a couple guitar leads and all the superficial elements, you just end up listenning to uninspired chugging that is more reminiscent of Groove Metal, Nu-Metal and Hard Rock. Yeah, they shred and play technical leads, but the actual rhythms, the guitar riffs of Deathcore bands are nothing like Death Metal bands riffs. Behind a wall of technical leads and a few attempts at emulating death metal riffs you find nothing but groovy chugging riffs and an incredibly simplistic structure. And that is no matter how hard they try to make their music sound chaotic and brootal. Deathcore as evolved from Groove Metal, which... to me... is hardly Metal. Groove Metal is far closer to Hard Rock than it is to metal. And like you know, Groove Metal along with Hardcore as spawned Metalcore, Deathcore and all the other "core" genres that try way too hard to be Metal again, but without actually going back to their roots. Very rarely have I seen Deathcore bands with well exploited DM elements in their sound. Between The Buried And Me, Glass Casket and Through The Eyes Of The Dead, are some of the few Deathcore bands I can and will accept as "Metal". They have retained the adventurous and experimental mind of the Death Metal genre. Their riffing involved the same intelligent song-writting needed to write good Death Metal.
You also have to admit that there are obvious differences between both genres. First, you admitted that there existed a genre named Deathcore. So you are obviously aware of the differences between both genres and the need to know them by two different names. You are probably aware that Deathcore is far less elaborate than Death Metal when it comes to song structure. Deathcore's song-writting is very formulaic and "poppish" if you understand what I mean. Eveyrthing revolves around a few powerful moments in the music, often the solos, breakdowns and technical build-ups that more often then not end up in a gargantuous breakdown. To fill the gaps between these powerful moments, you than proceed to write grovy chugging riffs usually ripped off to Suffocation. Death Metal puts emphasis on the rhythm section... the actual riffs...