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At 6/30/12 04:41 PM, Angry-Hatter wrote: And then they point out the factual, statistical, and logical inconsistencies of the study, those big bullies.

No they dont

God, you're so disingenuous. You're saying quite a bit more than that, and just a few lines later in THIS VERY POST, you say:

Only after you brought it up.

Speaking of which, IQ tests are bullshit and generally measure only a limited number of factors of intelligence which usually rely more on education than on innate mental capacity. Finding any robust conclusion from data of IQ differences in various demographics and races in America is therefore difficult, and lends itself to be misinterpreted.

So...it's just an ENORMOUS coincidence that East asians and ashkenazi jews have much higher than average IQs....and have also much higher than average incomes, wealth, savings rate much lower violent crime rates, and that there is a causal relationship between these data points. Oops.
LOOK AT HOW IRRELEVANT IQ IS LOL

If you want some actual science on the issue by people who understand it, read away.

So what's your source?

2 second google search later

http://www.goldjournal.net/article/S0090-4295%2899%2900290-3 /abstract

Which makes sense considering black youths commit more crime than any other demographic (i.e. not blacks over 40).

"YOU SAID: A black neighbourhood would commit equal crime to a poor white neighbourhood."

I'd like to believe that you to have reading comprehension skills exceeding that of a 4th grader, but if you can't read those two sentences and notice that they say different things, then perhaps your teachers ought to hold you back a grade.

They're not meaningfully different. You're just being pedantic.

Get this into your skull: nobody is disputing that blacks are overrepresented in the crime statistics in America, the reasons WHY they are overrepresented is what matters.

I never brought up the reason. I said that black commit more crime and posted COC as proof.

You said that it was all bullshit because different factors affect crime, even though I never said anything about causes until you brought it up.

Oh, and by the way: "This report takes no position on causes of group differences in crime rates, except to point out that
the ones that are most commonly proposedâEU"poverty, unemployment, lack of educationâEU"are not satisfactory."

So, not only did I not bring up the causes of higher black crime, neither does the report.

If his opinions do not rub you the right way, then would you at least address the scientific studies that he cites? Are they also racist and wrong?

no he's a racist therefore invalid remember

And I'm sure that there are tons of racists out there who are some of the nicest darn people you'd ever meet. Doesn't make their views any less wrong or any less despicable.

If blacks are inherently different to other races, then they're inherently different. If they look at the data and draw conclusions, should they pretend that they didn't because it's "despicable" to challenge the egalitarian orthodoxy?

Having heard him lecture and having read many of his articles, I find your statement very humorous. Perhaps some examples of his hatred of white people?

UM the fucking link I posted which contained his rant over how happy his is white people are demographically dying off and will be a minority one day.

lol imagine if a white dude said that he is glad that there won't be any more blacks one day, he'd be called a fucking a nazi.

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I agree with the OP to an extent. I don't think it's fair to strickly apply this to black people because not all of them feel the same, but I'd be willing to say there is a good chunk who exhibit this kind of behavior.

I've lived in Milwaukee, WI my whole life and maybe it's just my city, but I've experienced a lot of things that deal with race. For instance, on multiple occasions I've been harassed and had derogatory slurs thrown my way, but the moment I've said anything(not even racial) I'm immediately called a racist. The place I use to work at usually had more black people then any other race at any given time, one thing I exhibited on a regular basis was the use of the race card when people didn't get their way. I once caught someone stealing and took away what they were stealing and was immediately met with a slew of profanity and claims that I was racist.

Some notable news stories that also show this half-ass backwards views in my city also confirm this. A while ago, I can't find the articles as of right now, their were 2 occurrences of assault on public transportation and both were handled completely differently. The first one consisted of 3 black men jumping and beating a white man on a bus while shouting racial slurs, they were only charged with assault. Then there was also a case of 2 white men jumping 1 black man without any reported use of racial slurs and both men were charged with hate crimes as well as assault.

How is this right? How this even acceptable? I've always lived by the stance that there are a lot of people out there that like something I refer to as conditional equality. Meaning they only want to be equal when it benefits them, the moment something goes against them they want to be treated specially. And this, this is bullshit on all levels and the fact that it goes unchecked is beyond belief.

I mean I've met people, been jumped, various other encounters all because I'm white and somehow the people participating in this kind of behavior attempt to justify it. Hell I remember watching a video of one of the leaders of "The New Black Panthers" talking about killing white children and killing white people and the best part was he was being supported by other black people.

Being a white male in this current state is by far one of the worse positions you can be in because nothing and no one cares. You can be harassed due to your skin color and are immediately passed off. If you try and celebrate being white and male you are looked at as being a sexist/racist person, meanwhile anyone but these people are able to cheer and celebrate without this fear. I quote a comedian, I believe his name was David Crowe, "The only way you're allowed to be a proud white male society is in the KKK or GLAAD", which is a true and very saddening statement.

If I were to make a Caucasian College Fund, I would immediately be berated by media and activists claiming that what I was doing was unfair and racist, meanwhile things exist such as The United Negro College fund. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying some of these things shouldn't exist or be allowed, but I'm sick and tired of the double standards going on.

I mean because I'm white and a male, no matter what I say I'll never be looked at as a victim. If someone were to hurt me because I was white, it wouldn't matter, no one would believe me and even if they did they wouldn't act upon it. Meanwhile if I were to assault anyone that wasn't a white male I would immediately be called a racist and severely punished, regardless of the context.

Now understand a few things; One I recognize not all black people are this way, hell I've befriended a lot of black people who were extremely cool, but where I live and what I've seen has me in a position where I recognize a good chunk of black people are this way. As well I also acknowledge that this only doesn't apply to black people, but to almost every single race as well as women(which something entirely different on it's own that I wouldn't bother to touch on).

These are the people, not the only people, that prevent us from moving forward in society and attempting to at least try and fix this terrible world we live in. These are the people who make equality a meaningless thing other then a means to get what you want when you want it. And you know what, it's fucking tiring, and I refuse to stand down on these issues. I've gotten into fights before I'm so outspoken about these topics and what I've typed here is the same thing I would say to anybody at any time.

Anyone that ignores or tries to skew my views to be "sinister" or "racist", are completely wrong in their attempts and are completely closed-minded and ignorant.

When I see a black person, I don't think "oh an african american", I think "oh another person just like me". I Refuse to use that PC term because personally I believe it only promotes this behavior and allows people to further segregate themselves from our society. Which is something I find ironic, hundreds and thousands of black people fought to gain equality and to stop segregation, and here we are with an equal amount of people promoting and succeeding in segregation themselves form the rest of us.

/rant

Honestly, I haven't been on this site in a while and rarely use this account, I honestly only signed in to voice my opinion on this because it's something I feel so strongly about. You can criticize me, insult me, try to discredit me, it doesn't matter as I'll never return to this topic again. But at least be open minded when reading my opinions, even if you don't agree, and try and look at it from my perspective.

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Sort of irrelevant but also a fun fact: Adolf Dassler, the founder of Adidas, was an active member of the Nazi Party, who made boots for the Wehrmacht.

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At 7/13/12 02:41 PM, Blazirc wrote: Sort of irrelevant but also a fun fact: Adolf Dassler, the founder of Adidas, was an active member of the Nazi Party, who made boots for the Wehrmacht.

yeah and Hitler himself had a hand in the creation of Volkswagen. Maybe I should go and demand the evil nazi car company stop manufacturing, fire all its workers, shut down, sell off all its assets, then give all the money to some jewish group? (I don't think so)

Oddly enough it wouldn't be the first time I've heard of such a stupid demand, though. Personally, I get tired of hearing "oh durr this person supported the nazis!"