Chrtr schools mean more teacher sex

[Poniiboi]

A point that was brought up in my local paper today by a person against the charter schools stated that teachers would be more easily able to manipulate students without the oversight of the government. At first I thought this was a really bad point to make, because only a super small percentage of teachers are perverts like that.

However, if I had a kid, I wouldn't subject them to even that small percentage. Makes sense from a fear perspective. Thoughts?

[Warforger]

Any statistics? Or a link to this article in general?

[Dawnslayer]

Tentatively, I don't agree. It's not like when a public school hires a teacher they bring in a specialist from the FBI to do a background check and a polygraph test; the school board does its own research, then if they hire the teacher and he/she later turns out to be less than professional, only then does law enforcement get involved. I don't see how charter schools would operate any differently in such matters.

[All-American-Badass]

I think any oversight the administration of a charter school can do can be more effective than that of the government. so that person just has a case of diarrhea mouth.

[DoctorStrongbad]

At 5/26/12 11:19 PM, SenatorJohnDean wrote: A point that was brought up in my local paper today by a person against the charter schools stated that teachers would be more easily able to manipulate students without the oversight of the government.

What local paper? Do you have a link?

[digiman2024]

i have had dealings with the local charter schools here in MD, they have to hire based on the same criteria as public schools, but they can also fire a teacher who is not performing to their standards. (unlike public school teachers who it can take years to fire) and their standards are higher then public schools. but talking about teacher sex lately all ive been hearing is female teachers and a student, where were these teachers when i was in high school??

[Iron-Hampster]

could we get an explanation as to what the charter schools are? Are they private or public? If they are government funded and are anything like the residential schools that we had up north, then yes sexual assault should be a pretty big concern, in fact so should beating rape and basically every form of assault in the book including mental abuse, lots of that sir.

[bismuthfeldspar]

This coming from someone who's signature is full of pictures of scene girls pulled off facebook...

The answer? The fact there is a lot of over-reactive moral outrage doesn't mean that there isn't a problem, it just means that hysteria isn't the best method of dealing with it.

Instead we need to turn to objectivity, we should look at the reasons why people develop these fetishes and why they fail to distinguish between rational thoughts and their emotions, ironically the same force driving the hysterics. We should educate people about psychology and sexual urges and how they affect the mind, this would nip a lot of perversions in the bud as well as inform children about how to respond to this kind of behavior.

Of course the state would never do this, they want a population that follows it's heart not it's brain despite all the negative consequences such as this.

[Warforger]

At 5/27/12 06:58 PM, bismuthfeldspar wrote: This coming from someone who's signature is full of pictures of scene girls pulled off facebook...

The answer? The fact there is a lot of over-reactive moral outrage doesn't mean that there isn't a problem, it just means that hysteria isn't the best method of dealing with it.

Instead we need to turn to objectivity, we should look at the reasons why people develop these fetishes and why they fail to distinguish between rational thoughts and their emotions, ironically the same force driving the hysterics. We should educate people about psychology and sexual urges and how they affect the mind, this would nip a lot of perversions in the bud as well as inform children about how to respond to this kind of behavior.

Erm is it really that big of a problem? We should at least step up on convicting rapists in the military and in civilian life before we go off on such an insignificant problem.

Of course the state would never do this, they want a population that follows it's heart not it's brain despite all the negative consequences such as this.

......Um no it's sounds exactly like what the state would blow millions of dollars on.

[Ravariel]

I believe sexual abuse of a child is a federal offense regardless, and there are no specific oversights that Public schools have that weed out potential abusers, so I doubt there is any credence in that fella's claims. A statistic or two would be nice, because every teacher accused/found guilty of abuse that I remember has been in public schools, but that may be me misremembering.

[TheMason]

At 5/27/12 09:17 PM, Ravariel wrote: I believe sexual abuse of a child is a federal offense regardless, and there are no specific oversights that Public schools have that weed out potential abusers, so I doubt there is any credence in that fella's claims. A statistic or two would be nice, because every teacher accused/found guilty of abuse that I remember has been in public schools, but that may be me misremembering.

I believe it has to happen on federal property or cross state/international borders to be a federal offense. All others are state/local offenses.

As for weeding out potential abusers all public or private/charter schools can do to weed out potential abusers is go get a background check done.

Finally, when you consider just how many spies turn out to be government employees...why would any rational person think that the government is better than the private sector at vetting potential employees?

[Camarohusky]

At 5/27/12 09:17 PM, Ravariel wrote: I believe sexual abuse of a child is a federal offense regardless,

Nope. Just a State offense.

The problem with the current system is that women get a slap on the wrist, while men get severe jail time.

[Korriken]

At 5/27/12 10:58 PM, TheMason wrote: ...why would any rational person think that the government is better than the private sector at vetting potential employees?

you already know the answer.

Also, the thought of charter schools promoting child abuse of a load of wash, probably tossed out there by the teachers unions in order to demonize charter schools and turn people against them because they know that unlike the government, private schools can go against the unions and actually win. Not to mention they can hire non union teachers, they can do so without giving them tenure.

naturally, this doesn't sit well with teacher's unions who are used to having a stranglehold on your child's education.

[Camarohusky]

At 5/27/12 11:20 PM, Korriken wrote: naturally, this doesn't sit well with teacher's unions who are used to having a stranglehold on your child's education.

Simple solution. Pay teachers more.

[Warforger]

At 5/27/12 11:20 PM, Korriken wrote:

At 5/27/12 10:58 PM, TheMason wrote: ...why would any rational person think that the government is better than the private sector at vetting potential employees?

you already know the answer.

Also, the thought of charter schools promoting child abuse of a load of wash, probably tossed out there by the teachers unions in order to demonize charter schools and turn people against them because they know that unlike the government, private schools can go against the unions and actually win. Not to mention they can hire non union teachers, they can do so without giving them tenure.

naturally, this doesn't sit well with teacher's unions who are used to having a stranglehold on your child's education.

Charter Schools =/= Private schools. In fact Charter schools are public schools, the difference is that they don't have to follow the Federal government's standards in return they follow up what they say in their charter and provide the same and perhaps better results.

[Korriken]

At 5/28/12 12:59 AM, Warforger wrote:

Charter Schools =/= Private schools. In fact Charter schools are public schools, the difference is that they don't have to follow the Federal government's standards in return they follow up what they say in their charter and provide the same and perhaps better results.

close enough. they don't have to follow the federal government's standards, that's enough to send a teacher's union into hysterics.

[Ravariel]

At 5/27/12 10:58 PM, TheMason wrote: I believe it has to happen on federal property or cross state/international borders to be a federal offense. All others are state/local offenses.

Bah, well it should be. Throw the heaviest book you can at those fuckers.

As for weeding out potential abusers all public or private/charter schools can do to weed out potential abusers is go get a background check done.

Which, if it's not done already, certainly should be. Shit, I get a background check done for every other damn job it seems.

Finally, when you consider just how many spies turn out to be government employees...why would any rational person think that the government is better than the private sector at vetting potential employees?

Hah! True that. Then again, spies generally go for government gigs, because it's the government they're spying on :P

[Poniiboi]

For all those asking for a link, unfortunately I do not have one cuz it's a SUPERlocal paper. Like, not even the local paper, it's the paper for JUST the east side of town. They don't have a website.

The reason it became such an issue is cuz all the rich folks are doing everything they can to separate themselves from the public school system in Alabama, which is abysmal, and they are trying to use state funds and take state resources from the public schools to do it.

[Iron-Hampster]

At 5/28/12 01:59 AM, Korriken wrote:

close enough. they don't have to follow the federal government's standards, that's enough to send a teacher's union into hysterics.

no ones going to win because it isn't privately owned, there for, teachers will never see a raise in their lives, no matter how much their productivity increases or inflation drives the value of their current wage down. No I think this middle ground is worse than either of the extremes.

also taking government over sight over the classrooms may make it easier to fire the bad teachers, there is still government oversight over the administration, which is also being funded with public money. Now that the administration loses it's ties to the teacher's union, were only going to see more abuse from that level than before.

[bismuthfeldspar]

At 5/27/12 08:29 PM, Warforger wrote: Erm is it really that big of a problem? We should at least step up on convicting rapists in the military and in civilian life before we go off on such an insignificant problem.

Well that's the traditional avenue for dealing with rapists and we should keep on doing what we're doing but it's been done to death and further progress is only going to be minor, I'm just trying to open up new avenues to tackle this problem.

Also the same principle of favoring logic over hysteria applies to this traditional avenue, if you want to make further progress here you need to take a more pragmatic approach. For instance encouraging the proliferation of firearms and other weapons, if every woman had a snub nose in her purse rape rates would plummet, the problem is self-proclaimed feminists are often also marxists and liberals who support gun control and so this idea never gets discussed. Get rid of them and we can finally start making real progress.

.Um no it's sounds exactly like what the state would blow millions of dollars on.

It's a trade-off and a long term investment so I can see how that would be of concern, I also have doubts about unionised teachers who work hard not to be accountable for their students. This corruption however is not complete, public schools are not daycare centers for teenagers yet and teaching basic psychology is much needed and more utilitarian than say art classes.

[Warforger]

At 5/28/12 01:59 AM, Korriken wrote:

At 5/28/12 12:59 AM, Warforger wrote:

Charter Schools =/= Private schools. In fact Charter schools are public schools, the difference is that they don't have to follow the Federal government's standards in return they follow up what they say in their charter and provide the same and perhaps better results.

close enough. they don't have to follow the federal government's standards, that's enough to send a teacher's union into hysterics.

.......Wow. Yes every labor union is horrible especially the Teacher's unions which are completely evil wand want to give your child the lowest possible quality of education in return they get bigger pay checks.

At 5/28/12 12:20 PM, bismuthfeldspar wrote:

At 5/27/12 08:29 PM, Warforger wrote: Erm is it really that big of a problem? We should at least step up on convicting rapists in the military and in civilian life before we go off on such an insignificant problem.

Well that's the traditional avenue for dealing with rapists and we should keep on doing what we're doing but it's been done to death and further progress is only going to be minor, I'm just trying to open up new avenues to tackle this problem.

No. In fact the report and investigation rate is really low, the conviction rate is even lower than that. It's even worse in the military. Most cases that are reported don't really get investigated adn the rapists get away and again it's worse in the military. This issue is horrible but would ruin alot of lives and take up alot of money to do so as well be incredibly embarrassing for the government. At the very least the government can try to convict more rapists but they don't.

At 5/28/12 12:20 PM, bismuthfeldspar wrote: Also the same principle of favoring logic over hysteria applies to this traditional avenue, if you want to make further progress here you need to take a more pragmatic approach. For instance encouraging the proliferation of firearms and other weapons, if every woman had a snub nose in her purse rape rates would plummet, the problem is self-proclaimed feminists are often also marxists and liberals who support gun control and so this idea never gets discussed. Get rid of them and we can finally start making real progress.

Um what? How is that going to do anything? Most women are raped in their own homes by people they know, they're not going to really be ready to draw a pistol immediately, nor is it going to change the whole intoxication problem.

At 5/28/12 12:20 PM, bismuthfeldspar wrote:

.Um no it's sounds exactly like what the state would blow millions of dollars on.

It's a trade-off and a long term investment so I can see how that would be of concern, I also have doubts about unionised teachers who work hard not to be accountable for their students. This corruption however is not complete, public schools are not daycare centers for teenagers yet and teaching basic psychology is much needed and more utilitarian than say art classes.

*facepalm* you've yet to explain why this is such a huge issue so that is why no one cares and you then go off again blaming teacher's unions for everything wrong with the education system. Like I said there doesn't seem to be any statistic saying this is a widespread problem and seems to only happen in isolated cases, but there are statistics on rape and lack of effort to solve it.

[BUTANE]

Child molesters and pedophiles are subject to the same punishments whether they are in a public school, in a van, or at a charter school. The teachers do have bosses and other students that would rat them out for being pervs. The reason a public school teacher gets caught for having sex with his/her students is not because they are paid with tax dollars, it is because other faculty or the child that is being molested goes to the police.

And another thing, there is a very low percentage or teachers that molest children. Most are much more decent people than that. Whoever wrote that op-ed is either a paranoid asshole or is just a giant dick that is making up a bullshit reason to not like charter schools.

[Chris-V2]

If you'd met the student teachers I have, trust me, you wouldn't want to have sex with them.

Daddy issues

[Korriken]

At 5/28/12 12:49 PM, Warforger wrote:

.......Wow. Yes every labor union is horrible especially the Teacher's unions which are completely evil wand want to give your child the lowest possible quality of education in return they get bigger pay checks.

Not so much that. it has nothing to do with wanting to give kids a crap education, that's just a side effect. The problem is with having too much job security. Some job security is essential, however the "you simply cannot be fired unless you do something extreme, like rape a student or punch a student in the face" level of job security allows for apathy from the teachers, allowing their job performance to get to such a low point that students suffer from it.

When I was in high school I had a teach who would quite literally fall asleep in class. I had another teacher who spent the entire school year in MATH CLASS teaching about BLACK HISTORY! If you can't figure out what is wrong with the previous statement, then I pity you. School should be a place of discipline and education, not a place of political indoctrination and corruption. This is why Teacher's unions should be forcefully disbanded and low quality teachers kicked to the curb. There is no reason why someone who is doing a piss poor job should be allowed to keep their job, even less reason why an employer's hands should be tied when it comes to dealing with workers who are not doing their job.

[Halberd]

Why can't my attractive female teachers fuck me

[Halberd]

At 5/29/12 02:41 AM, Halberd wrote: Why can't my attractive female teachers fuck me

I thought I was in the general forum sorry.

I really did

[Camarohusky]

I'm still lost as to how being a charter school has any effect on the pedophilia/social complexes that lead to teacher-student relationships...

[Korriken]

At 5/29/12 10:05 AM, Camarohusky wrote: I'm still lost as to how being a charter school has any effect on the pedophilia/social complexes that lead to teacher-student relationships...

*shrug* must have something to do with big brother keeping an eye on the stewards of our children, that without it the teachers will somehow subconsciously feel that they are free to turn the school into something resembling a japanese hentai movie series

[Korriken]

this is what I mean by having TOO MUCH job security.

[Ericho]

At 5/26/12 11:19 PM, SenatorJohnDean wrote: At first I thought this was a really bad point to make, because only a super small percentage of teachers are perverts like that.

I wouldn't be too sure about that. I actually heard that teachers are twenty times more likely to molest children than a priest is. Seeing as how there's an endless number of pedophile priests, the situation with teachers must be unfathomably bad. You should be as careful as you can about people you trust.