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Response to - N A T A - Novice Round! Jun. 10th, 2012 @ 10:53 PM Reply

Just finishing up formatting and placements.

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Response to - N A T A - Novice Round! Jun. 10th, 2012 @ 11:04 PM Reply

At 6/10/12 10:53 PM, NATA wrote: Just finishing up formatting and placements.

AWWW YEAAAH

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Response to - N A T A - Novice Round! Jun. 10th, 2012 @ 11:16 PM Reply

At 6/10/12 10:53 PM, NATA wrote: Just finishing up formatting and placements.

hahaha I love how each picture got increasingly bigger.

Well I think I just died of a brain aneurysm due to anticipation. See you in the afterlife, dorks!


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Response to - N A T A - Novice Round! Jun. 10th, 2012 @ 11:20 PM Reply

At 6/10/12 11:16 PM, BobyB64 wrote:
At 6/10/12 10:53 PM, NATA wrote: Just finishing up formatting and placements.
hahaha I love how each picture got increasingly bigger.

Well I think I just died of a brain aneurysm due to anticipation. See you in the afterlife, dorks!

yeah i know what you mean, its 4AM here in the UK and I'm getting carpal tunnel from mashing the refresh button (does NATA approved hand stretches)

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Response to - N A T A - Novice Round! Jun. 10th, 2012 @ 11:26 PM Reply

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Response to - N A T A - Novice Round! Jun. 10th, 2012 @ 11:27 PM Reply

At 6/10/12 11:26 PM, NATA wrote: About to post...

oh come on stop teasing


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Response to - N A T A - Novice Round! Jun. 10th, 2012 @ 11:29 PM Reply

At 6/10/12 11:26 PM, NATA wrote: About to post...

Maybe if we all refresh fast enough we can collapse the server :D

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Response to - N A T A - Novice Round! Jun. 10th, 2012 @ 11:36 PM Reply

At 6/10/12 11:29 PM, ExtremeFudgeMaster wrote:
At 6/10/12 11:26 PM, NATA wrote: About to post...
Maybe if we all refresh fast enough we can collapse the server :D

DOSing this bitch if i don get ma scorez


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Response to - N A T A - Novice Round! Jun. 10th, 2012 @ 11:38 PM Reply

Nice formal text NATA.

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Response to - N A T A - Novice Round! Jun. 10th, 2012 @ 11:38 PM Reply

Congratulations to the winners of the Novice Round!!

** Pahgawk
** CatFat
** Catoblepas
** test-object
** BPremo
** ExtremeFudgeMaster
** DuDul
** McBinkles
** coughing-dog
** Dannx3anim8ion
** JagonDudo
** JerrodStorm
** Emrox
** TeamTamago
** SlackMan
** VieRickend

You will each be awarded $25 in addition to your previous prize for the open round. There were some excellent entries this time around, and some entrants that I am very sad to see go. I have never seen so many good animators with so much potential in any of these tournaments, which makes it hard to decide who stays and who goes.

The detailed results can be viewed on the Novice Round page, and the brackets are viewable on the NATA home page.

Intermediate Round coming soon...


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Response to - N A T A - Novice Round! Jun. 10th, 2012 @ 11:49 PM Reply

Ah didn't make it. Oh well! This was ridiculously fun to participate in. Good job winners! And good luck!

See ya next year!


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Response to - N A T A - Novice Round! Jun. 10th, 2012 @ 11:58 PM Reply

I feel not so proud of having gotten thru over sandwich eater. When will the scores and detailed critique stuff gonna be up?

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Response to - N A T A - Novice Round! Jun. 11th, 2012 @ 12:00 AM Reply

At 6/10/12 11:58 PM, jagondudo wrote: I feel not so proud of having gotten thru over sandwich eater. When will the scores and detailed critique stuff gonna be up?

As mentioned in my previous post, all scores and reviews are now up here: http://nata.munchymedia.com/novice/
If it doesn't show up, try clicking refresh.

Also:
http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/1307852


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Response to - N A T A - Novice Round! Jun. 11th, 2012 @ 12:08 AM Reply

One of these things is not like the others...

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Response to - N A T A - Novice Round! Jun. 11th, 2012 @ 12:26 AM Reply

At 6/11/12 12:02 AM, Travis wrote: I feel like SymphyBunny's scores for BPremo's flash were very unreasonable. I'd like to know a detailed explanation on that because I thought Bill had one of the best entries BY FAR.

We have multiple judges in order to get a diverse range of opinions and scores. If they were all the same, I would be concerned. I am sorry that BPremo did not score as high as you would have liked him to. (However, he won the round regardless, so I don't see a contestable issue to be resolved in this situation)

If BPremo would like an extended explanation, I will see what I can do to acquire one. Are you a friend of theirs?
Also I disagree. I thought BPremo had a great entry in terms of art and animation, but had flaws in the other categories, so I think the scores are justified, personally. (The Entertainment category in particular is an entirely subjective field that will vary in every person who sees it)

@ Rocinante - There are a lot of inconsistencies in that (eg. NitWitt's super low score in structure, Tom & Nitwitt high scores with Dave and Symphy low scores in Entertainment, and Symphy's low score in animation)?

Every judge has justification for their scores. Thinking back, I would now change my score in Animation for Catoblepas to be lower because it is a lot of tweening with the only actual animation being on the boobs/ass and the chewing guy's mouth. It probably doesn't deserve a 5.


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Response to - N A T A - Novice Round! Jun. 11th, 2012 @ 12:40 AM Reply

At 6/11/12 12:26 AM, NATA wrote:
At 6/11/12 12:02 AM, Travis wrote: I feel like SymphyBunny's scores for BPremo's flash were very unreasonable. I'd like to know a detailed explanation on that because I thought Bill had one of the best entries BY FAR.
We have multiple judges in order to get a diverse range of opinions and scores. If they were all the same, I would be concerned. I am sorry that BPremo did not score as high as you would have liked him to. (However, he won the round regardless, so I don't see a contestable issue to be resolved in this situation)

Travis is a fan of my stuff and he thought I should have scored better. I don't feel a need for a detailed explanation I think the score is reasonable.

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Response to - N A T A - Novice Round! Jun. 11th, 2012 @ 12:48 AM Reply

aw : ( u.u i lost, oh well

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Response to - N A T A - Novice Round! Jun. 11th, 2012 @ 12:59 AM Reply

Best of luck to the winners :3

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Response to - N A T A - Novice Round! Jun. 11th, 2012 @ 01:03 AM Reply

At 6/11/12 12:59 AM, francisyfl wrote: Best of luck to the winners :3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmbw8OycJrE

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Response to - N A T A - Novice Round! Jun. 11th, 2012 @ 01:11 AM Reply

At 6/11/12 01:03 AM, BPremo wrote:
At 6/11/12 12:59 AM, francisyfl wrote: Best of luck to the winners :3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmbw8OycJrE

ahahahhahahahahahah

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Response to - N A T A - Novice Round! Jun. 11th, 2012 @ 01:25 AM Reply

It seems that structure is consistently the lowest score. I understand the ABC thing, but how can everybody be doing so badly on structure? What are the judges looking for in structure?

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Response to - N A T A - Novice Round! Jun. 11th, 2012 @ 01:52 AM Reply

Good luck people.

-Jake


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Response to - N A T A - Novice Round! Jun. 11th, 2012 @ 01:53 AM Reply

Good morning!

Well it looks like I didn't make it through, no surprises there. Think I'll stick around in this and the upcoming thread just for moral support and annoyance though.

I'm really pleased with my artwork score (holy magarolie, why is it so high, whyyyy!?), but it also goes to show the flaw with my entry. It's not like I didn't put a lot of effort into it, but I believe that I did it on the wrong terms. Though it is part of my dream to make my own movies, I was so focused on becoming an animator that I forgot about everything else that makes up a good short. The idea seemed to make sense at the time, so I rushed forward on the first day, making the storyboard and completely neglecting the planning process. Of course it was because of the nonexistent planning, that I felt the need to change some of the story at some points, and in the end the goal and motivation became unclear.
Maybe I should've chosen story over artwork at some points, or maybe I should just have taken that extra day for setting things up. Improvisation is fun, but there has to be balance, and with such a time limit, good story and structure may even end up meaning more in the end, who knows?

I think that I'll try to expand my horizons on these matters in future projects. The only question is where to start. I'll try to improve on the many aspects that makes up a movie, and not rush things as much as I have so far.

It's been fun, being in this tournament, but I'm also glad to be able to relax now and do things on my own terms.

Good luck to everyone, wether it be in this contest or in life! :D


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Response to - N A T A - Novice Round! Jun. 11th, 2012 @ 02:00 AM Reply

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...Hum yeah...

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Response to - N A T A - Novice Round! Jun. 11th, 2012 @ 02:15 AM Reply

At 6/10/12 11:58 PM, jagondudo wrote: I feel not so proud of having gotten thru over sandwich eater. When will the scores and detailed critique stuff gonna be up?

You deserve it dude, especially after losing with such a high score first round last year.


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Response to - N A T A - Novice Round! Jun. 11th, 2012 @ 02:19 AM Reply

At 6/11/12 01:25 AM, ExtremeFudgeMaster wrote: It seems that structure is consistently the lowest score. I understand the ABC thing, but how can everybody be doing so badly on structure? What are the judges looking for in structure?

Every entry is different and many scored lower in Structure than other categories for various reasons. If you have a specific entry in mind, we can help point it out to you. However, the primary reasons for structure being marked down are
A) Incompletion. This is the category where an incomplete entry will hurt you most. or,
B) Abrupt / unresolved ending. Keep in mind that a chaotic ending is fine, but there were some entries that never got to the main point at all.

Emrox had a fantastic entry, but all we get is a description of a really badass elephant assassin. Who was the rabbit at the beginning? Why does he want the dog dead? Who is the dog? What happens to him? Does he get killed? Does he run away? This story literally never goes anywhere, and so he was marked down for structure for this reason.

Other entries (such as Fungasm's entry) have a good establishment but then because it is incomplete (and without a storyboard, to boot), we have no idea where the story goes. What happens after the elephant comes out of the head and pulls the boy's spirit out? It never resolves in any way.

TL;DR: Structure is all about the story. Establish a premise, create a conflict or situation, and resolve it. Many entries failed to resolve due to incompletion or an abrupt ending. Other entries (such as LazyModeComics) never had a premise to begin with.

I will see if Thor can write up a helpful article on structure for everyone. It's a category that is not exclusive to animation, but to any form of motion media (film, video games, television, some comics, etc.)

Also below are the total statistics of everyone's combined scores in each category.

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Response to - N A T A - Novice Round! Jun. 11th, 2012 @ 03:23 AM Reply

Good luck to the remaining. Dazzle the shiz out of us bros.
I honestly had a great time with this. This is my first time ever experiencing and being in any type of tournament ever and sharing it with all the talented people has been insanely awesome. Hopefully if it happens I'd love to have like a NATA collab, if not hopefully be able to work, share, even just chat with you guys.

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Response to - N A T A - Novice Round! Jun. 11th, 2012 @ 04:20 AM Reply

At 6/11/12 03:23 AM, digsBot wrote: Good luck to the remaining. Dazzle the shiz out of us bros.

Aww i tough break buddy...

Well i'm happy this morning. It's sad that Fungasm didn't carry futher cause i really wanted to go crazy in the round against him ;D but what can you do with an unfinished entry.
McBinkles let'd go CRAZY!

Congrats to everyone - i'm off to take a shower and think how to pull this round and how to improve based on judges comments

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Response to - N A T A - Novice Round! Jun. 11th, 2012 @ 04:27 AM Reply

At 6/11/12 04:20 AM, DuDuL wrote:

Not to self - never write posts right after waking up because you make the most silly grammar mistakes lol xD

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Response to - N A T A - Novice Round! Jun. 11th, 2012 @ 04:50 AM Reply

Aaaahh I didn't make it.
Ah well, the better animator won, in the end.
Good luck in the next round everyone!