At 5/2/12 07:49 PM, RightWingGamer wrote:
If a government lackey listens to your conversation without your knowledge, then assuming you're not a criminal, how does this affect your life in a negative way?
Privacy is a huge concern. Not knowing context can end up to being labeled a criminal
So where is this flood you're talking about?
A stone doesn't turn to sand overnight, it takes many drops rubbing against it but it eventually gives way. Let's see.
Cracking down on peaceful protests
Illegal search and seizure
Capacity to assassinate US citzens
Capacity to remove citizenship
Capacity to torture people after removing citizenship
Pat downs and full body scanners
With congress under as much scrutiny as it is, each failed attempt will only make the next one harder to pass.
Not true. All they need to do is slip it in inside of another bill that's semi-related to the subject, or wait for everyone to calm down
They were arrested for protesting without a permit.
Gasp! Those protesters had the audacity to try to express their rights without paying money or hoping to have the government give them the privilege.
It's not that hard to get a fucking permit.
Ease of obtaining has little to do with whether or not something should be legal. It would be very easy to call into your local police station every four hours so they always know where you are, but that does not mean it should be requires.
Once it turns into a riot, are you saying the cops SHOULDN'T beat them up?
The rioting doesn't occur until AFTER the beatings occur. Look at Occupies live feeds they have. Much of the destruction comes after police try to detain people who are peaceful.
Notice, the right to protest is neither restricted nor denied. You need a permit to drive a car, why shouldn't you need one to gather a massive crowd in a public place?
One is explicitly a guaranteed right, that historically has been one of the things being oppressed in every single non-free society in existence, while the other is a machine that requires skill to handle?
Remember how SOPA was defeated? Did we need to go out and riot to stop it? Did we even need a physical protest? No. In the information age, petitions and cyber-protests were all that was needed.
Oh, right, because an internet wide protest is the same as 15 people wanting to protest. SOPA mainly failed because websites, and not the website users, ended up protesting. You're attempting to compare apples to a word that rhymes with orange.
Tell it to the police. Maybe they'll take your advice. Either way, the solution IS NOT to simply leave it completely unchecked.
Right, because having the police maintain a distance and to not interfere to peaceful protests is leaving it unchecked.
Again, you can also be denied the right to drive if it is considered a threat to public safety. Legal, non-riot protests happen all the time. The tea parties were a great example of that.
Right to drive?
You are only denied the right to drive if you have done something to show you are a danger. Protests? You can be denied the right before you even go out the door because a city official doesn't agree with your movement.
Try driving without a license. Legally, there's nothing wrong with driving. It's the license that makes the difference.
There's a huge difference between being licensed to do something which every single person can obtain provided they pass the requirements and being denied the right to protest for any number of bullshit reasons