At 4/19/12 11:25 AM, RacistBassist wrote: Subsidizing abortion is a no-brainer? Why? There is easy to access free to extreeemely cheap contraceptives. Shit, I can walk to the local store, and pick up enough change off the ground to BUY condoms, let alone go to a free health clinic that doesn't receive federal money that hands them out for free. There are people who's job it is is to hand out free condoms to people.
And the vast majority of those people get money from the government.
How so? For a few of the first few years of my life I grew up poor, not starving poor, but poor. It is not that bad.
Guess what? If that is true, you were eligible for, and likely got, Medicaid. If we took away medicaid you would've had no health insurance whatsoever. None. Do you ever remember a time when you had to go see a doctor because you were hurt or sick? Yeah, take that away. That's the only way you could truly hold the parents accountable for their mistakes.
The only problem comes when parents don't accept responsibility and end up on government assistance programs and they end up dead beats because they don't have to work, yet they still get money. They don't bother with contraceptives since they know they can get abortions for free or, at the very least, cheap.
You want to deprive them of both.
Since when did basic health services ever equate to people being given access to free abortions or contraceptives being paid for by those who don't want to pay for it? Seriously. This isn't medication, this is people wanting to get their fuck on. It is a luxury. Nowhere does it say you have the right to have government issued condoms.
Well then fuck most medicine. I mean shit, where does it say you have the right to any standard of living above mere life? We subsidize healthcare for people who have smoked forever, those who have drank forever, and fat people. Nowhere does it say you have the right to smoke, or to drink like a fish, or to eat whatever you want.
Odd, because this has been about abortions and contraceptives. If PP didn't provide for those, then fuck it, I'd be ok with it.
So you think it's A-OK to remove all of these health benefits just because you don't like one small thing the group does? Well the military pissed on dead people and then took pictures with others' limbs, so let's stop funding them. religions have sections that overtly persecute, and the catholics had some members who buggered some children, so let's remove all faith based funding and gtax breaks. Money is fungible, right? I don't want my tax dollars going to fund soldiers being stupid, churches persecuting, or priests molesting.
ITT: Not wanting government funds to go to a company that is the biggest killer of black babies in the US=Not wanting health care.
No. Not wanting funds to go to Planned Parenthood = not wanting health care.
Having sex is not a health need, the same way mentally stimulating your brain is not a health need.
Actually, BOTH are health needs.
Or, here's an idea: Spend 50c on a condom from those nifty little dispensers. Or, for the cheaper long term method, spend $7 for a months supply of the Pill at Target. We should not be responsible for your kid.
But the kid should responsible for the mistakes of the parents?
So basically: I'm ok with PP getting funds because other people will pay for it, but I will not spend the few bucks to prove I am willing to do the same.
Someone doesn't listen.
You want to know something funny? Kids will be treated no matter what the circumstances. Insured or not, nobody will ever turn them down.
Yeah, and we all pay the cost.
That said, I am for their medical costs being partly covered, but I am not for child welfare because it grows to the rise of people who pop out babies for the extra money, the people who are horrible parents who only look for 3 jobs a week because that is the minimum.
I don't think you know what child welfare is. I'm talking about neglecting and abusive parents who get their children removed from them. It's not Welfare payments for those with children.
No, you think that biological impulse means everyone should pay for it. If you cannot think of a reason besides that, then you shouldn't be part of society because us resisting those impulses and thinking beyond the F's of nature is what made us rise.
No, you think in rosy little terms, whereas I think in reality. You can do everything short of mandatory chastity belts to keep people from fucking, but you will have wasted your money and time. You can try to add logic all you want, but you're not going to change a damn thing. Either deal with it the proper way, or you can try to Jesus up everyone and fail and cost all of us more money. So, instead of setting the bar higher than society can reach at MY expense. Let's use MY tax dollars to prevent as much of the nasty byproducts of their mistakes. Would I like everyone to be repsonible? Yes. Would I like there to be no abortions in the end? Yes. Am I stupid enough to think taking a hard line will achieve EITHER of these? Fuck no.
Your choice:
Naivete or more of your money spent properly.