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At 7/19/13 11:56 AM, Profanity wrote: And if he's dressed in a hoodie with the hood up while it's raining, a normal person would ignore him, strike up conversation to find out what's up, or even offer him a ride.

Not call the cops, chase him down, confront him, and shoot him.

If someone in a gated community saw a guy they don't recognize walking around in the rain, they would most likely call the cops, especially if there has been a lot of break ins lately.

Also, if a community watch ignores a potential troublemaker, then they're not doing their duty.

Anyone saw Obama's recent remarks on the verdict? He thinks If Trayvon was white, the trial would have ended differently.

At 7/19/13 02:22 PM, Ceratisa wrote: Nope... Unless you assaulted people Obama..

Assault is threatening someone by verbal or physical intimidation. It becomes Battery on contact; you mean Battery. And even in Florida Laws, it's not battery if you act in defense.

At 7/19/13 02:39 PM, Profanity wrote:

At 7/19/13 02:22 PM, Ceratisa wrote: Nope... Unless you assaulted people Obama..

Assault is threatening someone by verbal or physical intimidation. It becomes Battery on contact; you mean Battery. And even in Florida Laws, it's not battery if you act in defense.

Are you implying that Trayvon was defending himself?

At 7/19/13 02:45 PM, verycoolguy wrote: Are you implying that Trayvon was defending himself?

It was implied by Rachel Jeantel that Trayvon feared for his life. Since George never testified, her testimony provides the only evidence for it, there was no evidence against it.

At 7/19/13 02:57 PM, Ceratisa wrote: Zimmerman's statement was enough, his testimony was not required. Rachel Jeantel says TM probably punched first and that TM did in fact give Zimmerman the slip -confirmed by Zimmerman- He went back.

That what the Preaident has said is ambiguous under Florida's Stand Your Ground Laws. He may have had the right to shoot Zimmerman if he had been armed.

My people are blaming the Stand Your Ground law here. That law did very little for Zimmerman, and in the end may only end up protecting him from civil suits. Persoanally, I think the last is both unworkable and stupid, because it require a fact to be proven in order to avoid court, yet court is needed to legally prove anything. On top of that, it does little more than tell police officers and prosecutors how to do their job. Any prosecutor worth their JD would never take a case to trial where they honestly believed the claim of self defense.

The problem here, rather, is the inconsistant use of the self defense doctrines in Florida. I'm mainly speaking of the woman who shot a warning shot at her husband and was convicted to 20 years. She took the BEST course of defensive action with a gun and was not allowed the defense, while Zimmerman used a much more murky course of action and was off free. The goal of self defense isn't to justify killings. It's meant to lower the amount of death and harm doled out. The ideal self defense would be exactly what the woman did, deterring without causing harm. The outcome where the attacker is harmed is still very justifiable, but in the end the far less desirable outcome, as someone has still been hurt. Why would the Florida award those who hurt others whilst punishing those who are able to successfully defend themselves without harming others?

At 7/19/13 03:14 PM, Profanity wrote:

That what the Preaident has said is ambiguous under Florida's Stand Your Ground Laws. He may have had the right to shoot Zimmerman if he had been armed.

for watching him? That would prove 1 of 2 things. Obama doesn't understand the law (not likely), or he's intentionally misleading people in order to get mindless idiots on his side by manipulating their emotions and taking advantage of their ignorance.

Also,

Am I the only person who thinks it is below the station of PotUS to go and insert himself into legal affairs that have nothing to do with him personally?

At 7/19/13 03:31 PM, Camarohusky wrote: Any prosecutor worth their JD would never take a case to trial where they honestly believed the claim of self defense.

well that would explain why they had to bring in Corey. Also, she was probably the one person they could find who WOULD do it.

The problem here, rather, is the inconsistant use of the self defense doctrines in Florida. I'm mainly speaking of the woman who shot a warning shot at her husband and was convicted to 20 years.

oh, comical. Corey was in on that one too!

She took the BEST course of defensive action with a gun and was not allowed the defense, while Zimmerman used a much more murky course of action and was off free.

Why would the Florida award those who hurt others whilst punishing those who are able to successfully defend themselves without harming others?

I think it has less to do that and more to do with a crazed prosecutor who wants to lock up as many people for as long as she can. She even had a 13 year old child charged with 1st degree murder as an adult!

The Marissa Alexander case seems like a far better cause celebre for all this racial politics than Trayvon Martin. And yeah this Angela Corey seems like a fucking miscarriage nightmare, wow.

At 7/19/13 04:22 PM, Earfetish wrote: And yeah this Angela Corey seems like a fucking miscarriage nightmare, wow.

funny enough, she'll be having HER day in court for firing the whistleblower who exposed her hiding evidence.

I hope it all comes back to her.

At 7/19/13 07:28 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: the problem with that lady for who got that 20 years was she retreated and came back (Thus negating SYG) also she may have fired warning shots toward her babys daddy but also toward her children (which was reckless)

jesus people.

^This. Is 20 years way too much? Yes. But people are acting as if firing warning shots is what you're supposed to do.

At 7/19/13 07:28 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: the problem with that lady for who got that 20 years was she retreated and came back (Thus negating SYG) also she may have fired warning shots toward her babys daddy but also toward her children (which was reckless)

jesus people.

Wow you racist sunnovabitch, look at you just trying to find reasons for why this isn't as excessive as it sounds! I bet if she had been a white woman you wouldn't be trying to send her to jail!!!
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At 7/19/13 03:52 PM, Korriken wrote: I think it has less to do that and more to do with a crazed prosecutor who wants to lock up as many people for as long as she can. She even had a 13 year old child charged with 1st degree murder as an adult!

These two sentences don't fit together. Trying a 13 year old as an adult for murder is nowhere near a sign of a crazed prosecutor.

I have seen a 13 year old tried and convicted as an adult for murder. That kid, and his friend, coaxed a person into meeting them at a park. The 13 year old then clubbed him over the head with a crowbar and dumped the body in the river as gang revenge. Tell me that the kid deserved only 12 years in prison for that. He didn't. He deservd a full sentence and he got one.

President Obama acts like only Black people have been discriminated against, and the only ethnicity harassed by cops. Democrats have a History of Racist Presidents. It's quite obvious that President Obama hates anyone that isn't Black. Hell, he only talks about certain cases if the supposed Victim is Black, while ignoring many others. Isn't that the definition of Racism?

I like how you are allowed to shoot people if they look at you funny

At 7/20/13 12:45 PM, BumFodder wrote: I like how you are allowed to shoot people if they look at you funny

As long as they look at you funny after breaking your nose and slamming your head into the concrete a bunch of times then yes.

Are we changing the Laws in our Country? Can I attack people now? If someone asks me "What are you doing?", can I just run up to them punch them in the face and slam their head into concrete? I think that is what President Obama says that is what we all should be like. I am Trayvon Martin!

Oh, lord, where to start...

At 7/20/13 09:56 AM, TheKlown wrote: President Obama acts like only Black people have been discriminated against,

Tell me how this is the case.

and the only ethnicity harassed by cops.

When did he imply that?

Democrats have a History of Racist Presidents.

Indeed. They'd probably be Republicans today.

It's quite obvious that President Obama hates anyone that isn't Black.

Prove it, or else you'll just show how much of an idiot you are.

Hell, he only talks about certain cases if the supposed Victim is Black, while ignoring many others. Isn't that the definition of Racism?

No. Go to a dictionary and look up the actual definition. Furthermore, addressing one issue doesn't constitute a refusal to address similar, but different issues. That's simply fallacious.

President Obama implied Cops are racists when those Cops had arrested a man they thought was breaking into a house, even tho it was his own House. President Obama is the worst President we have ever had, and he only gets into issues when the supposed victim is black. President Obama is a racist, because he thinks certain groups deserve special privileges because of the color of their skin. He was one of the reasons that this bogus trial even happened, even tho there was never any proof that it was indeed intact Murder, but more evidence to suggest it was self-defense.

FYI, TheKlown is referring to the time Harvard Professor HL Gates was arrested by a Cambridge police officer who was trampling all over his fourth and fifth amendment rights

He's also wildly misinterpreting Obama's speech. It's candidly obvious that he (a) sucks at English in general and (b) didn't listen to the entire thing.

A Thug is someone that attacks someone for asking a question. An example of a Thug is Trayvon Martin, because he broke some guys nose and slammed his head onto concrete. Some how our idiotic President thinks that is acceptable behavior from certain individuals.

At 7/20/13 09:56 AM, TheKlown wrote: President Obama acts like only Black people have been discriminated against, and the only ethnicity harassed by cops.

Time and again blacks and hispanics are shown to lead the pack in profiling/mistreatment by police and profiling. Bill Maher read off some statistics last night showing that the number of cases in Florida like the Zimmerman one show overwhelmingly that when a black shoots a white (same situation) the black is convicted, but when it's the other way around, the verdict is different.

Democrats have a History of Racist Presidents.

Like who? Let's try to keep it current and not reach back into when the Republican party was founded as a mostly anti-slavery party. That root does not really apply with the current repubs, the former was very liberal, the current is very conservative

It's quite obvious that President Obama hates anyone that isn't Black.

Lol no. Could it actually be that the Pres is old enough and in a racial minority where he can have experienced discrimination or most certainly has relatives and others in his life who did? Yeah, that seems likely doesn't it?

Hell, he only talks about certain cases if the supposed Victim is Black, while ignoring many others. Isn't that the definition of Racism?

No. This is racism. I take the charge seriously so show me CLEAR UNDISPUTED evidence Obama believes his race is superior (which considering he's mixed race is gonna be hard as fuck since he's going to have to hate half of himself) or go troll elsewhere. The adults are trying to talk here.

At 7/20/13 10:41 PM, Profanity wrote: FYI, TheKlown is referring to the time Harvard Professor HL Gates was arrested by a Cambridge police officer who was trampling all over his fourth and fifth amendment rights

The irony of one of the arresting officers being black.

At 7/21/13 01:56 AM, aviewaskewed wrote:

when a black shoots a white (same situation) the black is convicted, but when it's the other way around, the verdict is different.

I would love to see those statistics.

At 7/21/13 04:45 AM, poxpower wrote:

At 7/21/13 01:56 AM, aviewaskewed wrote:

when a black shoots a white (same situation) the black is convicted, but when it's the other way around, the verdict is different.

I would love to see those statistics.

It probably wasn't even self-defense in his statistic. He probably assumes that if you're a certain ethnicity it gives you the right to go around and attack others.