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At 7/17/13 12:30 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

What I have been saying is that Zimmerman is morally at fault and deserves the fallout based on his piss poor judgment.

The media's story: Zimmerman, crazed white gun nut and wannabe cop who has had trouble with the law saw a black kid in his rich neighborhood, followed him despite police telling him not to and gunned him down in cold blood, claiming "stand your ground".

The actual story that emerged: Zimmerman, hispanic upstanding citizen followed a suspicious unknown black kid after a string of petty crimes committed by unknown offenders, some known to be black, then followed him to make sure he didn't escape before the cop came and questioned him. Following that, Treyvon escalated the conflict needlessly, beat Zimmerman to shit on the concrete and got shot to death in self-defense.

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What would YOU have done if you were neighborhood watch and saw an unknown dude in a hoodie walking around at night scoping property, as Zimmerman claims? Zimmerman never restricted Treyvon's movements, he was always free to run or go to his uncle's place to wait for the cops and explain himself. But he confronted Zimmerman ( which the race-bating idiots call "defending himself" even though at no point had he been attacked or even stalked ) and then beat the shit out of him.
That is a crime. He died a criminal. Zimmerman didn't shoot some innocent kid no matter how you put it, he shot a criminal in self-defense.

Put yourself in Treyvon's situation. Would YOU have done what he did? I hope you're not that stupid. I sure as shit know I wouldn't have. It was an honest mistake by Zimmerman and he had probable cause to suspect the kid because, remember, he lives in a gated community and he had never seen Treyvon before.
How this should have ended is the cops showing up at Treyvon's uncle's house then him explaining to Zimmerman what was up, Zimmerman apologizing and that would have been that.

To blame Zimmerman for this is retarded at this point after all that's come out in the trial.

While Treyvon is dead and you can never get his side, all the evidence points to Zimmerman's story being at the very least quite plausible.

At 7/17/13 12:30 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

What I have been saying is that Zimmerman is morally at fault and deserves the fallout based on his piss poor judgment.

He's white, therefore he CAN'T possibly be innocent and deserves punishment, even though the court system cleared him of murder.

Wanna know what the fallout will be? If it is found that Zimmerman is immune to civil liability (and he should be), his lawsuits are going to net him millions. the NBC lawsuit should net him quite a bit of cash. people say he'll never be able to work again? He won't need to as long as he doesn't blow it all.

If he wanted to be REALLY vengeful about the whole affair, he might even be able to go after Trayvon's parents for the pain and suffering their underage child made him go through. I seriously doubt he will though.

I don't think Zimmerman would sue the parents either. Most of the things they did that threw gas on the fire were normal parts of grieving. They used an old picture of him because parents remember their children as such, rather than the stereotypical criminal element he had become. It was really the media that took the lament of grieving parents and spread it across the national mind. Everything about the scenario was just wrong. It's mind blowing to me how something so insignificant that happens all the time happened one time in some place no one's ever heard of and now a culture that already has equal rights is out screaming about civil rights. It almost seems like everything from the local news report to now was choreographed.

At 7/17/13 08:05 PM, Ceratisa wrote:

I don't think Zimmerman so little a man honestly, but people have won worse lawsuits.

in a roundabout way, that was sort of my point. If Zimmerman was as bad as his haters make him out to be, he would attempt to bleed his parents dry with a massive lawsuit. this guy spent over a year between being in prison, being in hiding, and worrying to death that he was going to spend, more or less, the rest of his life in prison.

Looks like the Obama Administration is at it again!

ok, doing a probe is one thing, but this, this is just funny, not to mention a desperate act. Setting up an email address to get first on 1 man in order to continue to persecute him?

I spit on this filthy racist mutt named Eric Holder. Zimmerman was acquitted. let. it. go.

At 7/17/13 10:21 PM, Ceratisa wrote: Jeantel believes TM punched first. She also believes Zimmerman should have just taken the beaten.

of course she does. Zimmerman is a cracker who deserves to be beaten for daring to be white in the presence of Martin.

He may have needed a few stitches and have bruises by the time TM was done but she doesn't think he'd kill Zimmerman.

He may or may not have tried to kill Zimmerman intentionally. However, one blow to the head can be fatal. Many blows to the head increase the likelihood of brain injury or death.

Of course, if Jeantel, Martin's close friend, says Martin is guilty of throwing the first punch, then who are we to disagree? It would seem she would be interested in protecting Martin's memory, not tarnishing it by stating that she believes he began the physical altercation.

At 7/17/13 10:44 PM, Ceratisa wrote:

Indeed, I thought she said something different in court though.. hm......

I'm sure she was coached on what she was supposed to say, which was rather different than what she would have said, it's why she was so terrible at testifying.

At 7/17/13 10:21 PM, Ceratisa wrote:

He may have needed a few stitches and have bruises by the time TM was done but she doesn't think he'd kill Zimmerman.

If I had a gun and some dude was beating the shit out of me alone in the middle of the night, I'd shoot him if given the chance.
And so would you.

Or anyone.

At 7/17/13 05:35 PM, Korriken wrote: He's white, therefore he CAN'T possibly be innocent and deserves punishment, even though the court system cleared him of murder.

He's hispanic, genius. And Idon't give a shit what he is. He made a series of bad judgment and someone died. He's lucky stand your ground exists, because in any other jurisdiction he would very much be found civilly liable for his acts, even though he was not criminally responsible.

At 7/17/13 10:47 PM, poxpower wrote: If I had a gun and some dude was beating the shit out of me alone in the middle of the night, I'd shoot him if given the chance.
And so would you.

Or anyone.

Would you follow someone around in your vehicle and attempt to chase them down?

Or Ceratisa?

Or everyone?

At 7/17/13 10:53 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

He's hispanic, genius.

Yeah, but Martin didn't see him that way. he was a cracker.

And Idon't give a shit what he is. He made a series of bad judgment and someone died. He's lucky stand your ground exists, because in any other jurisdiction he would very much be found civilly liable for his acts, even though he was not criminally responsible.

Maybe, but if you want to get into what ifs, if Zimmerman's skin was dark, or Trayvon's skin was white, we would have never heard about this case, let alone see it go to trial.

At 7/17/13 10:59 PM, Profanity wrote:

Would you follow someone around in your vehicle and attempt to chase them down?

If there was a string of break ins in my neighborhood and I saw someone I didn't recognize, walking around after dark who looked like they were up to no good? yes.

At 7/17/13 11:09 PM, Ceratisa wrote:

Guys I was pointing out how ABSURD she sounded.

that much goes without saying.

At 7/17/13 10:59 PM, Profanity wrote:

At 7/17/13 10:47 PM, poxpower wrote: If I had a gun and some dude was beating the shit out of me alone in the middle of the night, I'd shoot him if given the chance.
And so would you.

Or anyone.

Would you follow someone around in your vehicle and attempt to chase them down?

Yeah if I was neighborhood watch captain of a gated community and I saw a thug-looking dude I didn't know walk around at night after a string of robberies in the community, I would have to unless I sucked at my job. He called the cops and was planning to resolve this once they arrive. At no point did he do anything illegal before Trayvon committed A CRIME by attacking him.
Say whatever bullshit words you want like "stalk", "attack", "confront" or "chase down" the truth is that Zimmerman was well within the limits of the law at all times and never threatened Trayvon in any way.

If I had been Trayvon and some weird douche was following me in a car, the LAST thing i'd do is punch him in the face and try to start a fight like an idiot. I'd keep going to my destination or call the cops directly on my cellphone.

At 7/17/13 11:41 PM, poxpower wrote: Yeah if I was neighborhood watch captain of a gated community and I saw a thug-looking dude

(black)

At least the jury's verdict was never in question. Having a jury find someone of second degree murder or Manslaughter requires an even higher burden of proof than convicting someone

The Cops never attempted to charge him because they knew this already. They had most of the unfiltered evidence at their fingertips. The detectives who questioned him after the fact had lied to him about the altercation being captured on video camera.

Unfortunately, at this point, the most merciful thing to do would be to put Zimmerman out of his misery. He'll never be a free man, and in all likelihood more Hispanics and Whites will be met with violence unless the fourth estate does the second most responsible thing and bury this story for good. [The first most responsible thing would have been to admit they're either incompetent or liars]

Publically executing Zimmerman would safe him a lifetime of fear and would probably sate the bloodlust of the anti-racist crowd.

At 7/18/13 12:09 AM, Feoric wrote:

At 7/17/13 11:41 PM, poxpower wrote: Yeah if I was neighborhood watch captain of a gated community and I saw a thug-looking dude

(black)

Yeah I'd say a black dude in a hoodie with gold teeth looks like a thug, wouldn't you?
In fact, isn't that the whole point of them dressing like that? To look like badass gangstahs?

Not to mention that Zimmerman did not have full confirmation of his race before he started following him.

Furthermore, I bet that if you had actual money to put down on who and who isn't a criminal based solely on randomly selected pictures of citizens, you'd magically pick black people way more than predicted by simple representative % in the population.
It's only when you're online and you have nothing at stake that you make yourself feel good by calling other people racist without admitting that you'd do the same thing yourself.

At 7/18/13 01:00 AM, SmilezRoyale wrote:

Publically executing Zimmerman would safe him a lifetime of fear and would probably sate the bloodlust of the anti-racist crowd.

The point of justice isn't to kill as few people as possible. You can't get the law to do whatever you want because you assemble some mob and threaten to do violence unless the cops do your bidding.

At 7/18/13 01:18 AM, poxpower wrote: Yeah I'd say a black dude in a hoodie with gold teeth looks like a thug, wouldn't you?
In fact, isn't that the whole point of them dressing like that? To look like badass gangstahs?

EXACTLY

You aren't part of that culture. You immediately presume the Pedestrian is a racist because he's a part of that culture. That is racist. And I'm sure you don't care anymore.

I know black guys with iced grills who play Jazz Swing and Big Band, fix cars at cost for their friends, volunteer with Church groups.

At 7/18/13 10:26 PM, Profanity wrote:

You aren't part of that culture. You immediately presume the Pedestrian is a racist because he's a part of that culture. That is racist. And I'm sure you don't care anymore.

This is so ridiculous.
Furthermore humans don't have rational fears anyway. People are way more afraid of flying than driving but they shouldn't be.
What? Do you have a term for that? flightists?

Except in this case any citizen is legitimate in being afraid of a young black guy since statistically they do commit the most crimes.
So how is that racist?

I don't control how afraid I am of things anyway. So what? If you surprise me from behind I'm racist if you're another race than me now?

My examples seem absurd but that's because the word "racist" has been drained of all of its meaning in the last few decades. All it is now is an insult morons sling around to try and win arguments or get their way.

You know who was racist? Hitler. That's racism. Completely insane unfounded prejudice met with overwhelming caution and force.
Being scared of a black guy more than a white guy isn't racism, it's normal.

Let me give you another example.

Every year there are a few dozen fatal dog attacks in the united states and many bites. There are certain breeds of dog that come back again and again despite attacks on the whole being a somewhat rare occurence.

So by your logic, if 60% of dog attacks were caused by pitbulls and I was more afraid of a pitbull than a poodle, then I'd be racist because it's actually unlikely that THIS particular pitbull will bite me?
Same if I saw an angry pitbull and an angry poodle, I wouldn't be legitimized in being more afraid of one than the other?

And if a person was scared of black people where there was no evidence, what use is it calling that racism? Racism is just a more specific word for general ignorance.

Except it's tainted with hatred. A person who is ignorant of race is AUTOMATICALLY assumed to be hateful. If some old lady is afraid of latinos because of Fox news, then instead of just calling her ignorant like she really is, you attack her and call her the worst possible thing, lumping her with the KKK and Hitler like some jackass.

At 7/18/13 10:26 PM, Profanity wrote:

You aren't part of that culture. You immediately presume the Pedestrian is a racist because he's a part of that culture. That is racist. And I'm sure you don't care anymore.

I know black guys with iced grills who play Jazz Swing and Big Band, fix cars at cost for their friends, volunteer with Church groups.

yeah I hate to break it to you, but everyone judges based on what they see. If you see a guy driving down the road on a tractor while wearing overalls, boots, and a straw hat, you're probably going to think he's some sort of redneck or at least a farmer.

If you see a guy in town wearing all black with a long coat and black fingerless gloves, with half of his head shaved, you'd naturally think he's some sort of emo, goth, or delinquent.

If you see a guy with at night wearing a face concealing balaclava, you'd most likely be wary of this person (and probably rightly so). If you saw him approaching you, you'd be very tempted to maintain your distance or flee.

appearances count and people do judge by appearance. If you dress like a businessman, people will think of you as such, if you dress like a punk, people will think of you as such.

And if he's dressed in a hoodie with the hood up while it's raining, a normal person would ignore him, strike up conversation to find out what's up, or even offer him a ride.

Not call the cops, chase him down, confront him, and shoot him.