At 3/26/12 04:41 PM, RacistBassist wrote:
So basically you don't give a damn about the actual part that makes it self defense?
No, because the part of him seeking it out negates anything else.
I have no problem with someone shooting somebody for unjustly, arbitrarily attacking them. Some people do, I don't really. The idea of someone incapacitating me in a physical fight, and thus being easily able to kill me is fine enough reason to shoot them, I don't care.
But that is firmly with the notion, I didn't go looking for the fight.
Now dammit, RB, I simply can't give you, a better example of > LOOKING < for a fight, than chasing after someone, !
After they start fuggin' running from you, you'd better damned let them go. They don't have an obligation for your ass to run the rest of the the damn night. If they fight back, fuck you bro, you take "self defense" and cram it in yer ass.
Listen to your Zimmerman phone call against please, before you keep on with this insistence that "herp derp He got attacked out of nowhere."
No. Not what happened, events prove it. You have Zimmerman's claim on a phone call. Which happens Before the Martin kid Runs. Could he be checking to see who's in the truck? Could be, I don't know. I DO know, that he then ran.
The same phone call you refer to yourself, comments on that. Zimmerman said it Himself.
You're right. The vastly overweight 5'2 Mexican was able to chase down the 6'2 football player.
260 is pretty hefty, but it's not necessarily vastly. He'd also been, supposedly, chasing the kid around the neighborhood in his truck, some time before that.
Besides, he was doing just that. Following. He kept a distance. He was on the phone with the cops. Trayvon turned and actively sought him. It'd be more understandable if Zimmerman was the one who attacked and tried to actually engage, instead of just follow.
No. He didn't. He might of walked up to him at some point to see who was in some truck following him, but the incident happened some time after he got off the phone, chased him in his truck, got out, and ran after him.
Zimmerman on his phone, AFTER what you are saying, said so himself that Trayvon RAN, A-WAY from him. This incident of the shooting, being after quite a while of Zimmerman's following him in his truck, and then getting out and chasing him. Self Defense, my ass.
You're telling me, somebody has to first Chase someone running away from them, in order to defend themselves from them.
Not how Self Defense works.
Ok, let me get on top of you and start pounding you in the face and see what you think about self-defense and being able to use deadly force.
No. And your point is meaningless.
You see jackhole, I would show you what I think about deadly force.
The thing is, I wouldn't "show you what I think about self-defense", after running after you. Because that isn't self-defense, it'd be like a proud dumbfuck who provoked a kid after posing himself as a threat at best, or initiated a physical attack toward him physically at worst.
He can go to hell. The action alone of an armed man chasing him around for who knows how long and being a generally aggressive asshole, is enough for me personally to say the MARTIN KID had justification for self defense.
Oh, pardon him for trying to reduce crime by being part of a neighborhood watch and trying to ID suspects and not losing line of sight.
I don't care what his intentions were. His actions were that of a threatening asshole. He looked, and Was, a threat to the Martin kid's safety. Trigger happy lunatic instigating trouble.
What Zimmerman's defenders imply, is that they are in fully moral right to go around being a royal asshole who thinks they're Barney freaking Fife, and provoke people into thinking they're a threat and into fights. And if you don't lap their ass, they're also in full rights to fucking shoot you.That's the thing, Zimmerman didn't provoke the fight. Yes, he could have taken steps to avoid it, much like Trayvon could have, but nowhere was he the aggressor.
I think you're an dick with a shitty s username who's full of slop and piss but that doesn't have anything to do with anything.
Chasing people around at night, IS provoking and unreasonable. Running after them when they flee from you, what the gogdamn hell do you Think they're going to do when you get there? They're going to fight you, because obviously you just don't fuggin' get it. They want you to leave them the hell alone. Those actions are pretty damned reasonable.
Zimmerman PUT himself in that situation, so self defense my ass. There was no self defense about it.
He's a ego inflated punk with his head up his ass, that deserved a busted nose. His actions so far doesn't leave me sure he wasn't the first to start it anyway. He provoked what he got.
"They shouldn't be surprised they got raped, they were wearing short skirts and walking down an alley, so it's their fault."
Sounds like the equivocation of an asshole.
Let me fix it for you.
"They shouldn't be surprised they got raped. They were wearing short skirts. And running down an alley chasing after a guy yelling 'I love sex, look at all this pussy, I dare you to see if you can take some of this, because you aren't man enough to handle it' and then rubbing their tits in his face."
That's a more reasonable equivocation of "rape", to Zimmerman "Self Defense."
You're overlooking one huge thing, Zimmerman was on the phone with police and following. Trayvon turned and attacked.
Already addressed. There was a chasing down in his truck, a chasing down on foot, a fight in a backyard. Not what you're saying.
If you suggest he "turned and attacked" him from his truck, you are wrong.
A man like Zimmerman would of probably already drawn and been ready to blow somebody away, if someone else pulled that bullshit on him. Then claim... "self defense."Yeah, I can say 100% I would have claimed self defense and shot somebody too if they were on top of me hitting me in the face, especially if they approached me and attacked me.
*sigh* Yeah ok then.
If you provoked it by running toward the fight in which you killed someone in, and the police let you off, then I'd hope a bunch of black racists hunt you down, too then. Because you're crazy and you think you can go around like some kook stalking people in you truck for being out past dark and then running after when they try to avoid your crazy ass.
Your entire argument so far has been: "Zimmerman is self righteous, therefore, it isn't self-defense to fight back if somebody is on top of you hitting you in the head"
You still haven't explained how what Zimmerman did is murder besides that you don't like him as a person.
Murder, involuntary manslaughter, whatever.
It's a crime because everything he did, instigated the incident happening and facts around the matter prove it.
Self Defense isn't goading people into fights , and then shooting them when you lose.
If he stayed in his damn truck he wouldn't of had to shoot somebody. He didn't. He wanted to be a hero and catch a house burglar. Instead he stalked around an innocent kid around the whole community and ultimately, chased him down into a fight and shot him.
Moral high ground doesn't mean shit when you're on the bottom getting beat now does it?
You know what helps not being in that situation?
Not chasing after people you end up fighting with and killing.