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Response to NG Jazz Collab 2012-03-28 18:55:39 Reply

Im talking about the arrangement , what are you going to do , when , how.


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Response to NG Jazz Collab 2012-03-28 19:46:32 Reply

At 3/28/12 06:55 PM, Acid-Paradox wrote: Im talking about the arrangement , what are you going to do , when , how.

I'm still down for this btw. Are we going to do a few different solos? Maybe a chorus per person for whoever wants to solo.

As for the arrangement on horns, we have two so far right? So maybe have them play the 3rds and 7ths (or whatever tensions) of the chords. I've never arranged for horns either so I'm not sure either LOL

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Response to NG Jazz Collab 2012-03-28 19:53:46 Reply

At 3/28/12 07:46 PM, SineRider wrote:
At 3/28/12 06:55 PM, Acid-Paradox wrote: Im talking about the arrangement , what are you going to do , when , how.
I'm still down for this btw. Are we going to do a few different solos? Maybe a chorus per person for whoever wants to solo.

As for the arrangement on horns, we have two so far right? So maybe have them play the 3rds and 7ths (or whatever tensions) of the chords. I've never arranged for horns either so I'm not sure either LOL

Well,what i was thinking to do is play the head with everyone,solo,maybe a background part while others are soloing,and the head again.

are we editing this is any form? intros,outros?


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Response to NG Jazz Collab 2012-03-28 20:02:42 Reply

At 3/28/12 07:53 PM, NimblekidX wrote: Well,what i was thinking to do is play the head with everyone,solo,maybe a background part while others are soloing,and the head again.

Yeah that's what I normally do with my Jazz ensemble I play in. We could do some kind of tag ending, or just keep it as it is. I suppose it's up to Acid ;)

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Response to NG Jazz Collab 2012-03-28 20:05:01 Reply

WineViper , Good to hear (or read) that you're on this.

At 3/28/12 07:53 PM, Needlekid wrote:
are we editing this is any form? intros,outros?

I was thinking that we could do an ambient intro (since pretty much everyone here have done ambient before), we could use some textures to create that "epic saga" ambiance. Forest sounds , thunder , dogs barking for no apparent reason , MORE THUNDER, i don't know. Then after some bars we could start slowly progressing with the instruments , some sounds over here and there.

For the outro, i posted earlier that i was thinking about making an ending phrase and maybe we could go back to the texture thing i mentioned.

We all live on democratic countries (atleast that's what they said) so post your opinions and ideas.

Also , is RedCola gonna help us out with the piano??


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Response to NG Jazz Collab 2012-03-28 21:10:37 Reply

At 3/28/12 06:08 PM, NimblekidX wrote:
At 3/28/12 06:03 PM, Acid-Paradox wrote: Sharkman and needlekid , you're welcome to join the collab. All the brass guys would need to organize their part on the song since i really don't have any experience on your instrument.

lol sharkman
what do you mean by organize? Transpose?

Figure out who's playing the head and then soloists. We don't want more than one person blowing at a time. Logistically a nightmare (for our purposes of doing this over the interwebs) and stylistically just gross.


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Response to NG Jazz Collab 2012-03-28 21:57:12 Reply

Just something i made for this special occasion

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Response to NG Jazz Collab 2012-03-28 22:02:45 Reply

At 3/28/12 09:57 PM, Acid-Paradox wrote: Just something i made for this special occasion

Cool man, I like it. I'm finally getting around to learning the tune, got the chords down pretty much, working on the head too if we need a guitar to play the head still. Although the rhythm on the Abmaj7 part is tripping me up hehe. This tune is awesome though.

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Response to NG Jazz Collab 2012-03-28 22:22:16 Reply

At 3/28/12 10:02 PM, SineRider wrote: Cool man, I like it. I'm finally getting around to learning the tune, got the chords down pretty much, working on the head too if we need a guitar to play the head still. Although the rhythm on the Abmaj7 part is tripping me up hehe. This tune is awesome though.

Great , we still need organize each musician's role on the track and I need to know if we are going to have bass or piano.

For the drums i think I'll go with brushes, gonna use hook and half circle patterns since they are good for this type of songs.


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Response to NG Jazz Collab 2012-03-28 22:23:21 Reply

At 3/28/12 10:22 PM, Acid-Paradox wrote: Great , we still need organize each musician's role on the track and I need to know if we are going to have bass or piano.

For the drums i think I'll go with brushes, gonna use hook and half circle patterns since they are good for this type of songs.

I might as well just do the bass so we can get things rolling. I think once we have bass and drums down it'll be easier to do everything else. If we still need a lead guitar I can do that as well or just a solo, whatever we need done

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Response to NG Jazz Collab 2012-03-28 22:29:14 Reply

I'll probably start recording on Friday. I need to buy a new snare head with a different texture to make it sound more better.


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Response to NG Jazz Collab 2012-03-28 23:49:49 Reply

At 3/28/12 06:03 PM, Acid-Paradox wrote: Sharkman and needlekid , you're welcome to join the collab. All the brass guys would need to organize their part on the song since i really don't have any experience on your instrument.

lol sharkman

That's it, I'm changing to Sharkman, a name this epic cannot go unused.

As for the brass part, I can arrange a brass harmonization of the theme, I'm pretty familiar with the writing. For now it'd be two trumpets and an alto sax? Or is it a tenor?

I'd also like to know Nizzlekid and Adam-Vealgard's level with their respective brass, so I can adjust the parts accordingly.


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Response to NG Jazz Collab 2012-03-29 03:10:38 Reply

At 3/28/12 11:49 PM, camoshark wrote:
At 3/28/12 06:03 PM, Acid-Paradox wrote: Sharkman and needlekid , you're welcome to join the collab. All the brass guys would need to organize their part on the song since i really don't have any experience on your instrument.

lol sharkman
That's it, I'm changing to Sharkman, a name this epic cannot go unused.

As for the brass part, I can arrange a brass harmonization of the theme, I'm pretty familiar with the writing. For now it'd be two trumpets and an alto sax? Or is it a tenor?

I'd also like to know Nizzlekid and Adam-Vealgard's level with their respective brass, so I can adjust the parts accordingly.

Vealgard, get it? No? ok I'll shut up now.

Tenor, but I don't know how I feel about a trio of horns on a combo piece. If need be, I'll bow out, but I'd rather have one person play the head then people come in for their solos (I can edit the solo section in BB to make it longer, or the rhythm section can figure it out).


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Response to NG Jazz Collab 2012-03-30 23:45:38 Reply

Hey!

"Sharkman" just told me about this...

...and I must say I'd fuc*in' love to play in this...

I'm a percussionnist, so depending on what you would like to hear,
I could play either aux.perc (congas, accessories, whatever) or vibes...

see ya!

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Response to NG Jazz Collab 2012-03-31 12:02:56 Reply

At 3/28/12 11:49 PM, camoshark wrote: Nizzlekid

Oh Jesus.

as for the question in hand,i have about four years of experience on my trumpet and can hit up to a D above the staff.

im going to need a better mic for this one,as i do want to solo and all i have right now is stock mics :l

inb4 TRUMPET PLAYER NEEDZ MOAR RANGE

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Response to NG Jazz Collab 2012-03-31 17:31:12 Reply

At 3/31/12 12:02 PM, NimblekidX wrote:
At 3/28/12 11:49 PM, camoshark wrote: Nizzlekid
Oh Jesus.

as for the question in hand,i have about four years of experience on my trumpet and can hit up to a D above the staff.

im going to need a better mic for this one,as i do want to solo and all i have right now is stock mics :l

inb4 TRUMPET PLAYER NEEDZ MOAR RANGE

Is that a steady high D, or a "when I'm in shape, and only for a few seconds" high D?

Personally, I've got 7 years experience and can play a steady high E, but I don't think range will be a problem, I'm mostly talking about nimbleness (seewhatididthar?).

Anyways, I'll be making some test arrangements after the weekend, I'm out of town right now.

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Response to NG Jazz Collab 2012-03-31 18:31:40 Reply

Hey

Thanks for everyone for being interested on the collab. To the percussion guy : Go ahead and join us. I don't an idea of what you could do. I was first thinking of a march rhythm but i think it doesn't go well with waltz. So , if you have an idea of what can you contribute to this collab , please let me know.

Im gonna visit my parents this week , so I'll be out of town. I was planning to record drums today but it's raining right now and it's pretty much impossible to get a clear recording on my studio conditions. Adam posted a backing track so anyone can start posting ideas with the help of that.

I'll be still active on the forum though


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Response to NG Jazz Collab 2012-04-01 21:55:29 Reply

If you have any need of any type of trombone, feel free to ask. Never played this piece before and I haven't played many waltzes, but it sounds fun.


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Response to NG Jazz Collab 2012-04-02 07:50:18 Reply

I can add tenor sax and/or bariton sax if you like. PM me, as I'm not checking this forum very often. I usually play more balkan, mestizo and latin style, but I have a jazz quartet too.

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Response to NG Jazz Collab 2012-04-03 06:39:21 Reply

At 3/31/12 05:31 PM, camoshark wrote:
At 3/31/12 12:02 PM, NimblekidX wrote:
At 3/28/12 11:49 PM, camoshark wrote: Nizzlekid
Oh Jesus.

as for the question in hand,i have about four years of experience on my trumpet and can hit up to a D above the staff.

im going to need a better mic for this one,as i do want to solo and all i have right now is stock mics :l

inb4 TRUMPET PLAYER NEEDZ MOAR RANGE
Is that a steady high D, or a "when I'm in shape, and only for a few seconds" high D?

Personally, I've got 7 years experience and can play a steady high E, but I don't think range will be a problem, I'm mostly talking about nimbleness (seewhatididthar?).

Anyways, I'll be making some test arrangements after the weekend, I'm out of town right now.

Lol im talking Steady high D,as long as Im warmed up.
I'll maybe ask my director if I could use the instrument mic for the arrangement once we've got it.(not sure though,sometimes it sounds a little noisy)


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Response to NG Jazz Collab 2012-04-05 14:38:17 Reply

OK, so I did a quick arrangement with possible voicings for brass. Let me know if anything needs change.

http://www.newgrounds.com/dump/item/a95cce229536dac98947cca0 7dce56df

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Response to NG Jazz Collab 2012-04-05 23:30:38 Reply

At 4/5/12 02:38 PM, camoshark wrote: OK, so I did a quick arrangement with possible voicings for brass. Let me know if anything needs change.

http://www.newgrounds.com/dump/item/a95cce229536dac98947cca0 7dce56df

Hey man , that sounds really nice ,i like it. I would need the brass guys' opinion about your arrangement since i don't have any experience on your instrument , they can give you a wide opinion and suggestions for your part.


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Response to NG Jazz Collab 2012-04-06 09:19:01 Reply

Camo,the horn parts are okay,except i hear a little clash here and there. would it be possible to change these clashing intervals?


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Response to NG Jazz Collab 2012-04-06 13:45:52 Reply

At 4/6/12 09:19 AM, NimblekidX wrote: Camo,the horn parts are okay,except i hear a little clash here and there. would it be possible to change these clashing intervals?

The clashes are voluntary tensions (in fact I'd have inserted more if it was up to me), though I can see how it'd sound weird with a MIDI playback...

Which is why I decided to convert in Reason and Combine the track with the BB track Mr. Vealgard supplied us to give an idea as to how it sounds.

http://www.newgrounds.com/dump/item/19131028cb71d52d0f971981 85e43152

Also, I noticed there's two other pending submissions for a trombone and a baritone sax. PLEASE take them, this'd be the PERFECT brass quintet formation! D:

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Response to NG Jazz Collab 2012-04-06 15:50:03 Reply

At 4/6/12 01:45 PM, camoshark wrote: http://www.newgrounds.com/dump/item/19131028cb71d52d0f971981 85e43152

Also, I noticed there's two other pending submissions for a trombone and a baritone sax. PLEASE take them, this'd be the PERFECT brass quintet formation! D:

That sounds awesome, I'm down with this arrangement. Sorry I haven't been able to get much done of the bass part yet, but I'll probably have some time this weekend to do some recording.

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Response to NG Jazz Collab 2012-04-06 21:02:33 Reply

At 4/6/12 03:50 PM, SineRider wrote:
At 4/6/12 01:45 PM, camoshark wrote: http://www.newgrounds.com/dump/item/19131028cb71d52d0f971981 85e43152

Also, I noticed there's two other pending submissions for a trombone and a baritone sax. PLEASE take them, this'd be the PERFECT brass quintet formation! D:
That sounds awesome, I'm down with this arrangement. Sorry I haven't been able to get much done of the bass part yet, but I'll probably have some time this weekend to do some recording.

Rhythm section can't do anything until we get this horn debacle figured out. If we really have five horns blowing on this, that's at least five times through the solo section, and then rhythm players don't get a shot. If we extend it a couple more times, then we're looking at a ten minute song, minimum.

I have to echo my reservations from before. I think a better idea would be to get a solid rhythm section who are all down to record a few different charts and make combos with each horn (or two, if they really want to work together). Otherwise, more and more people will keep coming round and soon this will be a big band, where everyone is playing a harmonized version of the head.

My two cents, anyway - I know this was Acid's deal and if nothing else, a democracy. Just throwing it out there.


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Response to NG Jazz Collab 2012-04-06 21:38:56 Reply

Wow, that's actually a great idea, it'd give much more openings for players while making the whole thing sound less saturated.

we already have a few guitarists and at least 5 horns, and Jiimaan is a jazz drummer, so there's at least two willing drummers. Add a few bassists and perhaps one or two pianists and we've got ourselves a set of combo formations!

The other option is to go in the direction of a rich harmony oriented band Miles Davis Nonet style. (example)

Of course, this gives much less emphasis to the rhythm section, as one would imagine, so it's really up to people to decide where they want this collab to go.

The middle line would be perhaps to split the ensemble into a mid-sized ensemble, perhaps a sextet, and a quartet/trio as a secondary ensemble, though it'd go a bit against the whole point of a collab, so again, it's a matter of seeing what people want.

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Response to NG Jazz Collab 2012-04-07 17:33:58 Reply

At 4/6/12 09:38 PM, camoshark wrote: The middle line would be perhaps to split the ensemble into a mid-sized ensemble, perhaps a sextet, and a quartet/trio as a secondary ensemble, though it'd go a bit against the whole point of a collab, so again, it's a matter of seeing what people want.

Ehhh...

I think a set of combo formations would be perfect for the collab,seeing as many people are willing to do this,the only thing being that uh,we might want to pick a few more charts,for each combo per se.Now,this might complicate things,but it's just an idea.


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Response to NG Jazz Collab 2012-04-07 18:03:48 Reply

At 4/7/12 05:33 PM, NimblekidX wrote:
At 4/6/12 09:38 PM, camoshark wrote: The middle line would be perhaps to split the ensemble into a mid-sized ensemble, perhaps a sextet, and a quartet/trio as a secondary ensemble, though it'd go a bit against the whole point of a collab, so again, it's a matter of seeing what people want.
Ehhh...

I think a set of combo formations would be perfect for the collab,seeing as many people are willing to do this,the only thing being that uh,we might want to pick a few more charts,for each combo per se.Now,this might complicate things,but it's just an idea.

My thought exactly, I'd be willing to go for something a bit more modal (like this), or perhaps a bit more fusion (a bit like this (it's in the Real Book, in case you're interested), though it probably won't happen ;-P)

In any case, I'm still open for suggestions, and ultimately it's up to everyone else, as well as Acid, to decide.

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Response to NG Jazz Collab 2012-04-24 13:00:19 Reply

REVIVAL!

Ok, so people seem to have completely abandoned/forgotten about this thread, so I'll just leave a reminder.

We still need to decide what formation we're going for exactly, since certain people seem to be against the idea of multi-brass ensembles (which I can get).

Once that's over, we can start recording and start the good part, so let's get things cleared out quickly!