The way we treat the French

[vannila-guerilla]

Okay, British and Americans, not really fair here. Well, political differences aside, I'm referring to World War II and that we saved them. I get it, I get it, the French government surrendered. The people? They kept fighting and they fought back valiantly and bravely. Not ALL of France was conquered by the Germans and the bravery of the French, and General General Charles de Gaulle also testifies to their bravery.

I say it's time we lay off the French and quit bashing them, at least as far as WWII goes.

[Shade]

I rest my case.

[vannila-guerilla]

At 2 minutes ago, Shade wrote: I rest my case.

I don't see how posting a picture displaying French stereotypes actually proved anything to be honest.

[tox]

At 4 minutes ago, Shade wrote: I rest my case.

i dont think there could have been a better post in this thread

[Me-Patch]

I agree. They were still reeling from WWI, and they were the only western power that vocally opposed the re-armament of Germany and recognized the threat. The US and Britain accused them of trying to kick a man while he was down and pursued a policy of appeasement.

They have the third largest military in the world in expenditure. They're also a nuclear power. They also have a rich and plentiful history of kicking ass. People who subscribe to the cowardly french stereotype are just wrong

[tox]

At 3 minutes ago, Me-Patch wrote:

you know that france is the worst faring wared first world country in the world.. dont you?

[Me-Patch]

At 3 minutes ago, tox wrote: you know that france is the worst faring wared first world country in the world.. dont you?

Can you re-word that question please?

[satanbrain]

They used to be fierce gauls, then they were conquered by romans.

[Halberd]

hey guise french doesn't like the idea of invading Iraq, lets call french fries freedom fries

[vannila-guerilla]

At 12 minutes ago, Me-Patch wrote: I agree. They were still reeling from WWI, and they were the only western power that vocally opposed the re-armament of Germany and recognized the threat. The US and Britain accused them of trying to kick a man while he was down and pursued a policy of appeasement.

They have the third largest military in the world in expenditure. They're also a nuclear power. They also have a rich and plentiful history of kicking ass. People who subscribe to the cowardly french stereotype are just wrong

And a rich history. I love 18th century France.

They are not complete cowards and they still have an empire. I guess people forget that.

[tox]

At 35 seconds ago, Me-Patch wrote:

At 3 minutes ago, tox wrote: you know that france is the worst faring wared first world country in the world.. dont you?

Can you re-word that question please?

it was destroyed in both ww1 and 2, it was mutilated by the british, germans, spanish, checks, russians, chinese, asians, and it self, it has never held a military that ruled the world at any point, it to date has no cutting edge tech and is so far behind the cyber world and issues its like teaching calculus to a 5 year old, its has government turn over by turn over and the only thing it has to show for it is a bunch of books and a we suck record..

they have only proven that the rest of the world cant catch them when they flee in all directions and corners of the world :/

you do know these things... right?

[MrPercie]

wasent all the "french are pussies" just propaganda put by the british when they were fighting them (like during the napoleanic wars) and then the propaganda leeked into America where americans got the same impression on the french and that image of french stuck with them into WW1 and WW2.

[Me-Patch]

At 8 minutes ago, tox wrote: it was destroyed in both ww1 and 2,

The bulk of the fighting in the western front in WWI was in France, they never surrendered and the allies won the war. How is that getting destroyed?

it was mutilated by the british, germans, spanish, checks, russians, chinese, asians, and it self,

I find it interesting that you consider failed invasions to be getting mutilated. None of those nations other than Germany ever conquered France. They just managed to resist permanent occupation. A more realistic interpretation would be that France mutilated them.

it has never held a military that ruled the world at any point,

Name a single military that has. Even the ones that thought they did really didn't, the world was bigger than they knew. Napolean came damn close though.

it to date has no cutting edge tech and is so far behind the cyber world and issues its like teaching calculus to a 5 year old, its has government turn over by turn over and the only thing it has to show for it is a bunch of books and a we suck record..

France has no cutting edge technology and is behind the cyber world? You make them out to be a third world country. For the past 500 years France has been a major power in Europe and the world. They have one of the most expensive and technologically advanced militaries in the world, as well as one of the highest standards of living.

they have only proven that the rest of the world cant catch them when they flee in all directions and corners of the world :/

France has fought 168 major wars in their history, they've won 109 of them.

you do know these things... right?

What's your problem with France?

[bifgis]

Do people really still do that?

[Me-Patch]

Correction: Out of 168 battles, not wars, they've won 109. According to the historian Niall Ferguson, of the 125 major European wars fought since 1495, the French have participated in 50 âEU" more than Austria (47) and England (43).

[Ragnarokia]

England was taking the mick out of the French before it was cool and the Americans jumped on the wagon. Americans have Mexico and Canada to take the mick out of, we have France, we don't try and steal your ones America, be a good sport will you.

Also France has actually had an amazing track record of military dominance, as said on QI (around 32:25 they fought 168 battles, won 109, lost 49 and drew 10) They also fought more wars than the other countries. But despite that it is still fun for us to take the mick out of them. Also by us I of course mean England, America keep to your own neighbors.

[tox]

At 15 minutes ago, Me-Patch wrote:

At 8 minutes ago, tox wrote: it was destroyed in both ww1 and 2,

The bulk of the fighting in the western front in WWI was in France, they never surrendered and the allies won the war. How is that getting destroyed?

oh i dont know, the fact that most of france was bombed, its population forced underground and its government moved to vip vaults while in the night the german bombers made splinters out of almost everything

it was mutilated by the british, germans, spanish, checks, russians, chinese, asians, and it self,

I find it interesting that you consider failed invasions to be getting mutilated. None of those nations other than Germany ever conquered France. They just managed to resist permanent occupation. A more realistic interpretation would be that France mutilated them.

guy A moves in and rapes your wife you flee to the hills, you come back in 2 days after he has eaten most of the food out of your fridge and killed your oldest son and grandparents, but yeah you kick his ass outa there, so good on you
in 50 years
guy B moves in and rapes your wife you flee to the fields, he chases you and burns half your crop but fails to catch you, you come back in 2 days after he has eaten most of the food out of your fridge and killed your oldest son and grandparents, but yeah you kick his ass outa there, so good on you
40 years later
guy C moves in and rapes your wife you flee to the neighbors house, you come back in 6 years after he has eaten all of the food out of your fridge and killed everything you own, grandparents and your fish in your fishtank, but yeah you kick his ass outa there, so good on you

it has never held a military that ruled the world at any point,

Name a single military that has. Even the ones that thought they did really didn't, the world was bigger than they knew. Napolean came damn close though.

british empire, "the sun never sets on the british empire" it ruled most parts of africa, the philipenes, canada, some of the usa, some parts of japan and china, parts of russia and was ready to do more, but failed after a while because of a food and supply shortage and failed in a means to gain more land

it to date has no cutting edge tech and is so far behind the cyber world and issues its like teaching calculus to a 5 year old, its has government turn over by turn over and the only thing it has to show for it is a bunch of books and a we suck record..

France has no cutting edge technology and is behind the cyber world? You make them out to be a third world country. For the past 500 years France has been a major power in Europe and the world. They have one of the most expensive and technologically advanced militaries in the world, as well as one of the highest standards of living.

france is outgunned by northern korea china and russia, who use ww1-2 guns...
it is toppled heavily by the american military in means of technology and resourses even in current times
its guns and forces are supplied by the chinese world bank and workers
its bombs are made in germany, along with its planes and many lesser sea vessles
it only holds a primary spot in nato because noone other then the germans have fully kicked their asses
they hold the 20th spot on the human development chart while canada and america hold 4 and 6
and currently they are suffering hard in the depression that is rocking their world

they have only proven that the rest of the world cant catch them when they flee in all directions and corners of the world :/

France has fought 168 major wars in their history, they've won 109 of them.

you do know these things... right?

What's your problem with France?

nothing, i just like saying the "ce" in my head so it has me thinking about them

[MrPercie]

At 40 minutes ago, tox wrote: guy A
guy B
guy C

fuck me these guys are just useless, and whys "eating all the food out of your fridge" such a bad thing to be put alongside child murder? maybe they were just hungry but impolite.

[SouthAsian]

At 2 hours ago, Shade wrote: I rest my case.

I found this to be exceedingly hilarious.Well done sir.

[Me-Patch]

At 36 minutes ago, tox wrote: oh i dont know, the fact that most of france was bombed, its population forced underground and its government moved to vip vaults while in the night the german bombers made splinters out of almost everything

That's not true. The German strategic bombing campaign against Britain was by far the most extensive of the war, and in hindsight is considered to have been largely ineffective. Besides, always pioneers in the art of war, France formed the first strategic bombing unit in history.

it was mutilated by the british, germans, spanish, checks, russians, chinese, asians, and it self,

guy A moves in and rapes your wife you flee to the hills, you come back in 2 days after he has eaten most of the food out of your fridge and killed your oldest son and grandparents, but yeah you kick his ass outa there, so good on you
in 50 years
guy B moves in and rapes your wife you flee to the fields, he chases you and burns half your crop but fails to catch you, you come back in 2 days after he has eaten most of the food out of your fridge and killed your oldest son and grandparents, but yeah you kick his ass outa there, so good on you
40 years later
guy C moves in and rapes your wife you flee to the neighbors house, you come back in 6 years after he has eaten all of the food out of your fridge and killed everything you own, grandparents and your fish in your fishtank, but yeah you kick his ass outa there, so good on you

I think that your point here is that a failed occupation still 'mutilates' the occupied nation. Which was my point exactly. Aside from Germany those are all countries that France invaded and/or occupied, not the other way around.

Name a single military that has. Even the ones that thought they did really didn't, the world was bigger than they knew. Napolean came damn close though.

british empire, "the sun never sets on the british empire" it ruled most parts of africa, the philipenes, canada, some of the usa, some parts of japan and china, parts of russia and was ready to do more, but failed after a while because of a food and supply shortage and failed in a means to gain more land

At the height of her empire GB controlled 1/5 of the world's population. Although that is a massive empire it's not the entire world. Besides, you know who else was a major player in the colonial game? France controlled some or all of modern day: Antarctica Benin Burkina Faso Cambodia Cameroon Canada Central African Republic Chad Comoros Congo Djibouti Dominican Republic Gabon Guinea Haiti India Ivory Coast Laos Lebanon Libya Madagascar Mauritania Mauritius Mali Morocco Niger Senegal Seychelles Syria Togo Tunisia Vanuatu and Vietnam.

france is outgunned by northern korea china and russia, who use ww1-2 guns...
it is toppled heavily by the american military in means of technology and resourses even in current times
its guns and forces are supplied by the chinese world bank and workers
its bombs are made in germany, along with its planes and many lesser sea vessles
it only holds a primary spot in nato because noone other then the germans have fully kicked their asses
they hold the 20th spot on the human development chart while canada and america hold 4 and 6
and currently they are suffering hard in the depression that is rocking their world

How does anything you've said there disagree with the fact that France has one of the greatest militaries in the world and one of the highest standards of living? If anything it reinforces it.

they have only proven that the rest of the world cant catch them when they flee in all directions and corners of the world :/
you do know these things... right?

We've bounced around a bit, but the whole point of this thread, and our debate in it, is that the french are not militarily weak cowards. I think I've made my point thoroughly enough so you can have the last word after this if you want it.

I'll leave you with this. "Whether it is ranks (general, captain, corporal, lieutenant); equipment (lance, mine, bayonet, epaulette, trench); organisation (volunteer, regiment, soldier, barracks) or strategy (army, camouflage, combat, esprit de corps, reconnaissance), the language of warfare is French."

[C-Hawk]

If it weren't for the French, the Americans would be speaking Cherokee, or still be British. So the degree of suck is equal.

[tox]

At 21 minutes ago, Me-Patch wrote:

At 36 minutes ago, tox wrote:

French.

okokok yikes, sorry, i will take my ass kicking and move on...

geeze... so srrs...

[Me-Patch]

At 6 minutes ago, tox wrote:

At 21 minutes ago, Me-Patch wrote:

At 36 minutes ago, tox wrote:

French.

okokok yikes, sorry, i will take my ass kicking and move on...

geeze... so srrs...

I didn't mean to come off as rude or anything. No hard feelings?

[tox]

At 36 seconds ago, Me-Patch wrote:

At 6 minutes ago, tox wrote:

At 21 minutes ago, Me-Patch wrote:

At 36 minutes ago, tox wrote:

French.

okokok yikes, sorry, i will take my ass kicking and move on...

geeze... so srrs...

I didn't mean to come off as rude or anything. No hard feelings?

only if i get a hug and some of your thoughts some time on different topics

[Me-Patch]

At 22 seconds ago, tox wrote: only if i get a hug and some of your thoughts some time on different topics

Both would be a pleasure.

[tox]

At 56 seconds ago, Me-Patch wrote:

At 22 seconds ago, tox wrote: only if i get a hug and some of your thoughts some time on different topics

Both would be a pleasure.

its a date then,
^.^

[Dromedary]

I like France, it's a nice country, with a nice language. I also like the people, every Frenchman I have met has been friendly, albeit cynical. They held their own in the second world war, and I have no idea why people hate on them so much about it. Their resistance movements pretty much set up the Normandy invasions, and as a nation they had great spirit. Anyway, they were just unlucky Germany chose to direct their efforts against them, as I can pretty much guarantee that most other country's would have gone the same way if subjected to what France was up against.

[HipnikDragomir]

At 4 hours ago, vannila-guerilla wrote:
I say it's time we lay off the French and quit bashing them, at least as far as WWII goes.

As long as cocky ignorance, this shit will still happen.

[HipnikDragomir]

At A few seconds ago, jjjkuk wrote:

At 4 hours ago, vannila-guerilla wrote:
I say it's time we lay off the French and quit bashing them, at least as far as WWII goes.

As long as cocky ignorance still exists, this shit will still happen.

Fixed.

[SnoopyChicken]

Cheese eating surrender monkeys.
I've had lovely times in France, not so keen on their politicians though, that Sarkozy looks like a right oily snake.

The French resistance was good and all that but it doesn't change the fact that the Nazis just rolled straight the fuck in, like they were made of that soft cheese they like so much.