At 6 hours ago, HiryuGouki wrote:
My stance goes a little something like this:
Committing suicide is a pussy way out.
Yes and no. It's being pussy in the sense that someone may not be strong enough to deal with their problems head on. On the other hand, not that I'm condemning this at all or trying to say suicide is brave; but it takes a lot of guts to suffocate, put a gun to your head, swallow pills, and forego the feelings of people who actually care for you.
So I wouldn't say it's exactly a pussy move, just more of an unnecessary, myopic act.
Life is hard. Get over it. Try being me, a guy who has an extremely short attention span, who forgets his friends' names all the time, and who's close to failing Economics because of the fact that it's online, and the fact that the tests' questions have extremely difficult to follow wording. Try being a guy who got screwed out of being in the Air Force and who could be
in Berlin hanging with beer maids and working on computer systems.
I don't see the purpose in your personal examples, especially if you're trying to illustrate how you overcome strife in the grand scheme of things, your problems don't really even measure up (ADD? Getting behind in class? Not being able to have your "dream job" as it seems?...). It doesn't matter. You will ALWAYS find someone in the world that has it much "worse" than you, and that doesn't make it right to belittle and minimize the problems of others who you see as having it better. The point of the matter: You lose a good friend, or your spill juice on brand new carpet. What makes a person feel a certain emotion is subjective. Having the actual extreme emotions on the other hand IS COMPLETELY OBJECTIVE. and it's hard to sympathize and reason for a person who has extreme sadness, if we don't know how they really feel. And just because we don't understand something doesn't make it less real.
Did I commit suicide yet? NO. Do I want to commit suicide for any reason at all? NO. Why? Because I know there are things I want to accomplish, and I have family members that actually give a damn about me.
so if you answered YES to those questions would you commit suicide? Rhetorical question because I know your answer is no. But I'd imagine the majority of people who commit suicide feel like there's nothing left to accomplish and they don't feel important in the world.
You get bullied a lot. Well, if you have ANY guts at all, and everything you've tried doesn't work, beat the living snot out of the bully and get it over with. Simple, right? If the bully doesn't listen, use force! You know what? I used to get bullied ALL THE TIME in high school (until I joined AFJROTC). People made fun of how skinny I was, and picked on me because I'm not exactly "Fashion-saavy". Did I kill myself? NO. Why? I had friends. I had dreams. I had family. Those things were enough to keep alive. I know life is going to be tough. Am I going to commit suicide? NO. Dying is easy. Life is hard. So what? I love a good challenge, and I can't wait to see what life throws at me next. I enjoy a good fight, and I always come out of it, regardless of how many bruises, cuts or scars I may get.
again, examples that don't really have any substance in your argument. you're also implicating that people who have the same kind of problems will automatically have the same support groups and ambitions as you.
if you're trying to be understanding and/or relatable you're not doing a very good job at it.
If you commit suicide, you're a coward. You're a coward, and I hope you get what's coming to you.
Excellent, that's exactly the type of motivation vulnerable, depressed people need.
Think of all the people who love and care about you.
What if your mother is dead, your father is a drug addict, and you have no immediate family, and no close friends?
Life has SO MANY wonderful things.
it also has plenty of rape, murder, violence, disrespectful assholes, close minded bigots, douchebags entirely incapable of compassion, war, disease, famine, people who are evilly obsessed with money and popularity, people who are more interested in their extracurricular activities & GPA than actually learning about the world and contributing for the sake of making the world a better place, people who would rather point the fingers than cooperate and actively attempt to make a change, etc.
there's also an equal amount of beautiful things in the world...like you mentioned. but it doesn't make the shit around us invisible. Actually, I take that back. It is invisible to some lucky people. And other unfortunate individuals are only exposed to the shit.
Why stop living now all because you get teased all the time? Life DOES get better! It may not happen immediately, it may not happen tomorrow, maybe not next week, but it WILL get better! Just give it a chance!
it doesn't always get better. Not for everybody. sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is nothing more than the headlamp of an oncoming train.
Anyways, that's enough ranting. Your stance?
i think suicide is justified only in two circumstances:
1. A criminal who does a lot of bad things. He feels remorse each time he kills and/or rapes someone, but cannot stop for whatever reason. In a moment of realization and shame, he decides to end himself and effectively cause harm to no more people.
2. Someone who has a terminal illness or serious chronic pain. It's cruel to force some to endure suffering just to possibly appease other people, and that's if they have people in their life to begin with.
and when I say see serious chronic pain, the only person that can diagnose such is the person themselves, not a doctor, priest, a clinical psychologist or series of medical tests. 90% of the time I think a suicide is unwarranted, or a knee-jerk reaction. but we can really never know, the magnitude and occurrence of another person's pain.