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At 5/12/04 09:47 PM, HAcoreRD wrote: dude, shaddap n leave him alone, I know the Admin and he's a nice guy, he means no harm by it.

Message from HAcoreRD:
My flash series "Warfare" has been sponsored offically by Flipsided.com .....so thats why the admins "such a nice guy"

At 5/12/04 09:47 PM, HAcoreRD wrote: dude, shaddap n leave him alone, I know the Admin and he's a nice guy, he means no harm by it.

hmm... maybe he's saying that becuase on his profile it says his site is flipsided.com.

At 6/9/04 12:08 PM, WadeFulp wrote:

At 6/9/04 11:22 AM, WTF_Kurdt wrote: Oh and one of the best forms of flattery is imitation.

Along with putting you out of business? I'm not saying these sites are putting us out of business yet, but someday when there are hundreds of sites like Newgrounds what will become of us?

Holy shit Wade, you guys really ARE in business mode now arn't you.

I can understand you being pissed at people stealing things that are unique to the NG portal such as "blams" and all that shit, but you just proved that it's not about that. You don't like the competition!

As I said in Toms front page post, I have alot of respect for NG and the people behind it. But this sort of attitude makes me think you guys want to hold a monopoly on internet flash.

You can't stop competition by simply bitching about it while hoping your users will listen and the sites will just go away. I know that's not jsut what what you're doing, and you're consistantly trying to improve NG. I really do understand that.

I also understand that it must be frustrating that people steal NG ideas as soon as they're released on ng.

Bleh. Here's the fence --> | <-- and here's me sitting on it. :)

At 5/12/04 09:45 PM, Pen0rMuffin wrote: Is it just me or is this a blatant rip off of the newgrounds flash portal? It seems like they copied everything word for word

http://www.flipsided.com/portal/

Think about it.

NG is the home of the very first Portal.

SO what do you think?

looks like a ripoff

Penor, STFU, your pretty sad and should get over it.

Thank you Admin that banned him.

nah, that site is quite good, i had a quick browse, i hope it grows to be the same size as NG...

competition wud encourage NG is become beta..

not too keen on the extra dark color sceme tho..

Guys I am a fan of Newgrounds and the portal inspired me. I admit to getting ideas from it, and I don't think anything is wrong with that. I coded 100% of the PHP, which is the hardest part.

At 6/10/04 07:39 AM, flipsidedcom wrote: Guys I am a fan of Newgrounds and the portal inspired me. I admit to getting ideas from it, and I don't think anything is wrong with that. I coded 100% of the PHP, which is the hardest part.

Too bad you had to be lynched first before evening concidering adding that "inspiration text"

Now we got like 20 more to go...

On to http://www.flashplayer.com whos with me?
the Webmaster there actually insults Newgrounds all the time,
even tho he clearly ripped his ideas from it.. Like Flipsided did

HA HA HA! This is funny! This is very funny. I started coming to this site now and then during my freshman year of college (1999). In 2001 I decided to set up an account here because I felt the site was growing and getting better and better. This site has inspired me to look at flash and really formulate an opinion on them. Now with all the success of this site and more and more people joining just like I did and all of you who posted, did you think that no one else would try to cut a slice off for themselves? It's just like anything else. Anyone ever heard of Pepsi and Coke? Chips-A-Hoy and Chips-Deluxe? Smacks and Golden Crisp? These are all companys who use the same product. If there is a copyright issue I'm sure the Fulp borthers would be right on top of it. But, I'm sure they know that there is no copyright on hosting flash just like there are a shit-load of phone companys. So are these other sites "ripping off" an idea? Yes. Does this happen everyday? Yes. Is there anything you can do about it? No. All I can say is I'm sticking with Newgrounds because I have "Brand Loyalty".

Newgrounds inspired me, what is wrong with that? I did not actually steal PHP code. Also I am a fan of Newgrounds. There are many other sites that use ideas from Newgrounds but hate Newgrounds at the same time, so go post topics about their sites.

At 6/10/04 09:47 AM, tsukasu wrote: All I can say is I'm sticking with Newgrounds because I have "Brand Loyalty".

How can you have "Brand Loyalty" if you have 8 whole posts? You seem very dedicated to me.

FFS.

Flipsided. I know you on msn, and my site is an affiliate of you if you would fucking add ma banner you've had fucking long enough now.

To be fair there are some elements of your site which are identical to NG, FFS fan_net,

http://www.flipsided.com/fan_net/

At least if your gonig to have a topsites system call it sometihng different to the name tha tNG came up with, FFS Anitude topistes is mine.

Your portal isn't a complete rip off of NG like some people are saying, ofr one you have 50 most viewed flash. And I know Flipsided did NOT steel source code from NG.

But please try to be original on things liek your fan net FFS you even have the same size little banenr for it...

At 6/9/04 03:01 PM, -Weasel- wrote: This is from that crunge site....

About The Crunge!
They make it sound like the best site in the universe, and like their portal is revolutionary.

I explained the site as best and accurately as I could, using as many big words as I could. If it sounds like the best site in the universe, I'm flattered.. Really. But we all know Maddox holds that title.

Seriously though, "The Void" (flash portal, as I called it) really hardly rated a mention on that page. I mostly tried to sum up the entire site, which consists of much more then just a portal.

At 6/9/04 10:18 AM, flipsidedcom wrote:

At 6/6/04 01:56 PM, Hinotori wrote:

At 6/6/04 01:48 PM, jonathonkinch123 wrote: Newgrounds doesnt have a copyright to the portal design so others can do it without legal argument I think?

At the bottom left corner of each page is the "Copyright 1996-2004 Newgrounds Inc." but I don't know how far that copyright extends. It's quite possible that legal action is out of the question, but that doesn't mean I can't scoff at the lack of originality of these other sites.

I am not the only portal website. Here are some others:

http://www.burstfilms.com
http://www.thecrunge.net
http://www.sfdt.com
http://www.stickslaughter.com
http://www.flashtheater.net
http://www.anitude.com
http://www.smosh.com
http://www.txmafia.com
and loads more...

You can make copyrights on the code of the portals but not the ideas of them. I coded 100% of my website, so lets stop arguing.

Anitude's portal is in production - we're going to be original, and offer alternate features and a system in total contrast to NG, just out of plain respect for NG.

We're not going to be a try and clone NG, like your Flipsided Fan net, or your FS-Bot. So please don't refer to us as a rip off portal before we even have one.

I go to the #1 thing, and it looks VERY similar to what we have here.

It's EXACTLY the SAME!!

...i mean the portal page or whatever, nm

How can you have "Brand Loyalty" if you have 8 whole posts? You seem very dedicated to me.

Because I only have 8 posts means I haven't come to this site for 5 years? Listen to me you 16 year old piece of shit. You know nothing of the real world. NOTHING! I'm so sick of you punks thinking you know everything. It's always you 13-18 year olds voicing your opinion the loudest and not realizing how fucking stupid you sound. You're still in fucking High School. Talk to me after you get an education and a job. And CVS or McDonald's doesn't count. If you weren't such a stupid, naive little punk you'd have realized I was sticking up for you. Try reading a book on economics and get back to me.

At 6/10/04 09:48 AM, flipsidedcom wrote: Newgrounds inspired me, what is wrong with that? I did not actually steal PHP code. Also I am a fan of Newgrounds. There are many other sites that use ideas from Newgrounds but hate Newgrounds at the same time, so go post topics about their sites.

Yes NG did inspire you and you emulated it pretty much code for code. You might have typed up the PHP code for it but its not all that difficult. Its rather easy to view the source on the pages, copy it, and then paste in the relevant php scripts where needed. Most of the work comes from brainstorming and developing layout and user experience. That is where you blatently copied NG. Your PHP might be different because the way you write to and setup your database might be different but you took the html and added the little bit of PHP to it.

So I can take a can of coke... pour it in a glass and call it something else? Does that mean I can call it my own? I mean I did pour it in the glass after all. and I was INSPIRED by coke... lol.

Inspired yes... ripped off yes... just admit it already .... damn.

At 5/12/04 09:50 PM, legokiller666 wrote: who gives a flying fuck, why is

www.madthumbs.com
so like
www.goatlist.com

arent all porn sites like each other though?

Just for peoples information, there is no way to copy PHP source code without being site the file, so that code would have definitely been original if not the idea.

At 6/10/04 10:23 AM, WadeFulp wrote:

At 6/10/04 09:48 AM, flipsidedcom wrote: Newgrounds inspired me, what is wrong with that? I did not actually steal PHP code. Also I am a fan of Newgrounds. There are many other sites that use ideas from Newgrounds but hate Newgrounds at the same time, so go post topics about their sites.

This maybe true, but you still stole a lot of our javascript code.

I doubt flipflop.com is ever gonna admit that Wade.

But in all honesty.. You guys arent giving the general public any credit..
Believe us.. we know a rippoff or a copycat when we see one.. and we know where to see Original Content first..
No matter how many "inspired" sites Come out of newgrounds.. The Artist know newgrounds is the only place to post.. and any other site is simply an afterthought...
Most of the Time Artist post on these sites because they've had their moment in the sun on NG, and want to milk it for a lil more..
and theres no problem with that..

That's why there are second rate channels like Pax and FX on Tv.
it puts those Oldies but goodies back into syndication..

and Since the artists as well as the Webmasters know that any other Flash portal outside of Newgrounds is Second rate..
Then I don't see the harm..

I love my Pax TV.. I go there when theres nothing good on the real channels :)

Mindchamber

I think anybody with common sense knows their portal will always be second rate to Newgrounds.

Anitude.com's portal will mainly be for the use of the mini-community which has grown via our fan-base for our in-house flash section. No-way in hell would we every try to rival Newgrounds.

At 6/10/04 10:49 AM, MindChamber wrote: Mindchamber

Jose, have you ever drawn someone elses character just for the fun of it.. To see if you could do it as well as the "pros"? I know your work, I know you have. Think of this as the same thing, but with programming. I obviously can't speak for anyone but myself here. But I can honestly say I didn't create a flash portal with any other intent but to prove to myself that I could do it.

The satisfaction that people have come to my site and used it, only makes it that much sweeter. If Wade or Tom don't like the fact that there's some (admittedly pathetic) competition, then in all honestly, they shouldn't be in business. Again, I have a HUGE amount of respect for NG and the people behind it, and I DO understand where they're comming from. Blatent copying is wrong. But imitation always has, and always will exist. I suggest they pay heed to the cliche. Feel flattered.

I realise that this doesn't relate to your post at all, and you probably get all this already. But there are others who may need this comparison to put it in perspective.

At 6/10/04 09:47 AM, tsukasu wrote: It's just like anything else. Anyone ever heard of Pepsi and Coke? Chips-A-Hoy and Chips-Deluxe? Smacks and Golden Crisp? These are all companys who use the same product. But, I'm sure they know that there is no copyright on hosting flash just like there are a shit-load of phone companys. So are these other sites "ripping off" an idea?

That's a joke, man. It's not the "ripping off" of the idea of making a flash showcase site. It's the "ripping off" off the flash that the admin used to create the site, the EXACT same layout, the EXACT same ideas on the flash viewing part (the reviews section reflects Newgrounds perfectly, change the fact that Newgrounds is much better as it uses flash for its own site, and the colour sheme you wouldn't tell the difference, along with the voting, FS points?! But too much of a coincidence!) at least Pepsi and Coke, for example, don't start stealing each other's website layouts!!! And, if we're getting onto the product itself, obviously they have different ingredients, not exactly the same, or else there would've been a lawsuit years ago and they would TASTE THE SAME, just like Flipside or whatever LOOKS THE SAME as Newgrounds.

At 6/10/04 10:31 AM, WorldOutkast wrote:

At 5/12/04 09:50 PM, legokiller666 wrote: who gives a flying fuck, why is

www.madthumbs.com
so like
www.goatlist.com

arent all porn sites like each other though?

Most porn sites are created by the same companies anyway - www.mikesapartment.com
www.cumfiesta.com
www.milfhunter.com for example.

I know, I have too much time on my hands!

At 6/10/04 11:06 AM, DWorm wrote:

That's a joke, man. It's not the "ripping off" of the idea of making a flash showcase site. It's the "ripping off" off the flash that the admin used to create the site, the EXACT same layout, the EXACT same ideas on the flash viewing part (the reviews section reflects Newgrounds perfectly, change the fact that Newgrounds is much better as it uses flash for its own site, and the colour sheme you wouldn't tell the difference, along with the voting, FS points?! But too much of a coincidence!) at least Pepsi and Coke, for example, don't start stealing each other's website layouts!!! And, if we're getting onto the product itself, obviously they have different ingredients, not exactly the same, or else there would've been a lawsuit years ago and they would TASTE THE SAME, just like Flipside or whatever LOOKS THE SAME as Newgrounds.

Another teenager who has no idea what they are talking about and didn't understand what I was saying. What does Pepsi and Coke's website have to do with anything? I'm talking about the product. Their product is soda; the product in question is a flash website. Do you understand what an analogy is? Look, Pepsi and Coke (the soda itself moron) look exactly the same. They both use cola beans, corn syrup, & other stuff. The both are carbonated. They taste the same to me. They come in cans and bottles. And they both have their distinct "Brand Supporters". The differences are so suttle they are barely even there. Yet they both thrive and make money and continue to put out new variations. The point is although this kid (and I guess a bunch of others) basically used the same idea, it's not the EXACT same thing. I'm not saying I agree with him but I'm not saying he's wrong either. So I say to you as I said to him, "Finish school and get an education and a real job. And read a book on economics."

Stealing is wrong, plain and simple. However it's almost impossible nowadays to find a way to make things actually look original. New Grounds will always be #1 despite people trying to compete, and there's not a whole lot that can be done about it.

So what do you do? Keep going to New Grounds to show your support and don't even look at the other sites. This thread alone has given the sites linked in it tons of traffic and it's doing nothing but getting more people to look at the sites that are being complained about.