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At 3 minutes ago, Ilssm wrote:

At 1 minute ago, WallofYawn wrote: And why is everyone so hell bent on attacking cannabis and not "legal drugs"? This discussion is titled "marijuana vs. LEGAL DRUGS" yes? Where are the posts about the damage legal drugs do? I'm fairly certain they cause much more damage than marijuana.

As stated several times before not just in this thread but many alike it, saying drug X is worse than drug Y is not a good argument, at which no one who has any real political power would take seriously.

And also because there are people who won't shut up for some reason when everyone already knows the facts, like you are doing right now. Frankly, it's annoying.

I'm just wanting to know why no one is mentioning other drugs and the damage they cause. Yes, I know saying drug X is worse than drug Y does not necessarily change anything, nor will it change people's views on things, but it does not mean it's not true. It's still a valid assessment, even if it changes nothing.

I just wonder why so many attacks and focus on marijuana, but no one can take the time to mention the "legal" drugs? The title of this thread IS after all "marijuana vs. LEGAL DRUGS" I see little to no mention of legal drugs in here, and no arguments for or against their use.

I just think it's rather ignorant to only attack cannabis, when there are other chemicals and drugs out there which are far more harmful, and legal at that.

or alcohol.(which I would argue causes significantly far greater damage, and I believe I read somewhere can lead to significant swelling of the brain, if enormous quantities are consumed over the course of say, months or years)

You have that backwards heavy alcohol use can cause cerebral atrophy which is when the brain shrinks due to loss of cells which isn't any better.

If people could be trusted to use substances responsibly, I'd be fine with the use of any drug recreationally, even those that are clearly harmful.

They can't.

All substances, including alcohol, should be illegal unless it is prescribed.

I just wonder why so many attacks and focus on marijuana, but no one can take the time to mention the "legal" drugs? The title of this thread IS after all "marijuana vs. LEGAL DRUGS" I see little to no mention of legal drugs in here, and no arguments for or against their use.

I just think it's rather ignorant to only attack cannabis, when there are other chemicals and drugs out there which are far more harmful, and legal at that.

I'm not attacking Marijuana, in fact I support legalization of it were it treated like alcohol, I'm just giving counterpoints to an intelligent arguement.

At 13 minutes ago, Ilssm wrote:

I just think it's rather ignorant to only attack cannabis, when there are other chemicals and drugs out there which are far more harmful, and legal at that.

I just think it's rather ignorant that people keep making threads like this even though it's been done 20,000,000,000 times before, and no matter how many ' facts ' a person puts in their post about it, there is a 99% chance no one on here will change their views on what they believe in. No one.

TDLR; It wastes everyone's time to rehash common internet knowledge.

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I'll agree with that. These type of threads have been done hundreds of times before.(I've been here long enough to know that) I always feel the need to add my two cents, tho, despite my better judgement. I guess I get caught up in the politics and shit. I always have, honestly, nothing better to do with my time.

At 13 minutes ago, EKublai wrote: If people could be trusted to use substances responsibly, I'd be fine with the use of any drug recreationally, even those that are clearly harmful.

They can't.

All substances, including alcohol, should be illegal unless it is prescribed.

Ok, but then who are you to dictate? That's also a very generalized statement. You say people, as if every person meets that stereotype. Speaking as a person who has done hard drugs, and not hard drugs, and who is not currently addicted to any substance, I can say it's very possible.

Just because there are a lot of idiots out there, does not mean those of us who are responsible should suffer. I understand your reasoning, but seriously, the war on drugs has accomplished nothing, people obviously WANT these substances and are willing to risk imprisonment to enjoy them, and those people who can use these substances responsibly, still wind up in prison, because people like you don't think they should be able to indulge themselves freely without going to jail.

Just saying. You're entitled to believe whatever you want, but saying things like, "people cannot be trusted to be responsible" is not a good argument. People cannot be trusted to not walk in front of an amusement park ride, while it is running, and as a result people get decapitated. We still have amusement parks, though.

People cannot be trusted to not get road rage, and derail someone else's car, but we still have automobiles. Just saying is all.

At 4 minutes ago, Ilssm wrote:

I always feel the need to add my two cents, tho, despite my better judgement. I guess I get caught up in the politics and shit. I always have, honestly, nothing better to do with my time.

Same with me, I just do that to add the fact there are way to many of these thread, although I know no one is going to listen, so no one is going to learn, therefore these threads will keep getting created.

Hey this is newgrounds, though. It's such a large community, and the chances of a topic appearing ten times, are quite likely.

I dunno if the mods just don't notice, or if they just let it slide. I think it just has to do with the size of the community, and the inability to manage it all.

On a smaller community, topics like this would probably get locked. At least, that's how I see it.

If it were legalized and regulated, it would be harder for minors to get it, plus there'd be quite a lot more tax revenue going to the government. Plus, I wouldn't have to feel paranoid when smoking it anymore.

At 2 hours ago, TheRainbowZilla wrote: Whenever someone posts that there have been 0 deaths by marijuana, I know that's bullshit.

Inhaling any kind of smoke is a health risk, but it hasn't directly killed anybody, as in overdose or what have you. People who smoke tobacco are more likely to smoke a lot more of it than people are likely to smoke weed because it can only be addictive in a psychosomatic sense. Caffeine is more lethal than weed.

At 2 hours ago, FeyDream wrote: Haha how so?

He's just having fun trolling.

At 2 hours ago, Ilssm wrote: So you honestly believe that in the past 50 or 60 years not a single person on the planet Earth has been killed while being high, maybe not from the drug itself, but it's effects? Like driving or something?

Now, that's different, but alcohol is worse in this case. I've seen people drive high and they just ended up driving slower and more carefully. I'm not saying that justifies driving high. I'm just saying drunk drivers are probably more dangerous. You should never be driving while under the effects of any kind of mind altering substance.

At 1 hour ago, WallofYawn wrote: PHILIP FUCKING MORRIS. If marijuana is legalized there HAS to be a law, an absolute LAW that it remain ALL NATURAL.

This is indeed pretty concerning.

decriminalization is just as good

The problem is that it can affect your chances of getting and keeping a job.

And on the topic of decriminalization, I honestly think mere possession of any illegal substance should be decriminalized with the exception of intent to distribute. You shouldn't go to jail for having a problem, and potentially learn to become a real criminal while inside.

At 1 hour ago, WallofYawn wrote: Aspirin is used by many people, myself included, even though it can burn a hole in your stomach.

I never heard this. I thought doctors recommend using it on a regular basis because it decreases inflamation and can help prevent, among other things, cancer.

Caffeine dehydrates you

And yet some people combine it with alcohol. That's a pretty bad idea. I once had such a bad hangover from drinking Four Loko that I was taken into the ER. I had violent vomiting to the point that there was nothing left but bile. And I was so dehydrated that my hand was stuck clenched in a fist. They gave me Ondansentron, which is an anti nausea drug that is unavailable over the counter.

Monster now sells a beverage that is meant to take after a long night of drinking. They call it "Rehab". How about that?

Not to mention prescription medications such as oxycodone, hydrocodone, vicodine, xanex, percocet

I have a good friend who takes Xanex to deal with PTSD from his experience in the Marines.

or over the counter medications like Dextromethorphan or Diphenhydramine, which are quite harmful to the brain and body in recreational/"tripping" doses.

Don't forget the liver.

At 28 minutes ago, Ilssm wrote:

Hey this is newgrounds, though. It's such a large community, and the chances of a topic appearing ten times, are quite likely.

I dunno if the mods just don't notice, or if they just let it slide. I think it just has to do with the size of the community, and the inability to manage it all.

On a smaller community, topics like this would probably get locked. At least, that's how I see it.

That and the fact most of the people on here are leftists, i.e are Atheist/Agnostic, believe everyone should be equal,

Well, I would like it if everyone were equal, but I know that will never happen. I'm an Atheist, though I'm not really arrogant like most atheists, and I actually think some people need to believe in god and are better off for it. I'm a moderate liberal, and a moderate socialist. I dislike extreme leftists as much as I do hardcore right-wingers.

and believe ' It's our body, we can do what we want with it '.

I believe this, but only in so far as not being destructive/a burden to society. I think the issue with heroin addicts is more the emotional and financial drain they put on their family and friends, and the potential robberies to help feed their addiction, not really the act of consumption itself. But that's just my view on it.

For the most part, I'm fine with this and actually agree with most of their views/have the same ones as well, but people on here are just plain assholes sometimes when it comes to their opinions and think theirs is right and anyone else who disagrees with them is wrong and are idiots.

Yea. I noticed that, especially lately. There have been a big increase in internet tough guys lately. I mean, people would also argue and banter, but they were never just...plain fucking dicks. The quality of animations and members on this site has gone down dramatically, especially in the intelligence department.

Seriously, if they want people to listen to them and take them seriously, they'll have to change their approach.

I concur.

There is a increased chance to acquire Throat and Lung Cancer. That is only a problem if smoked by using Bowls, Joints
etc. There are different ways to use Cannabis, one of the healthiest and most effective way is to use by the process of
Vaporization.

No matter how you take it, it's killing your brain cells nonetheless.

That stuff messes with your head.

And before you say that that's all a load of D.A.R.E. BS, I have a friend who happens to be a hardcore stoner. He talks with the intellect and alertness of an 80-year-old guy who's starting to lose his mind. Except, he's fifteen.

On the contrast, I suppose that it could be legalized. People who take it nonetheless only hurt themselves, which is essentially the same as cigarettes or alcohol.

I really wouldn't recommend it though. But hey, if you want to screw up your head that's not my business, nor is it the government's.

Sense-Offender said:
Inhaling any kind of smoke is a health risk, but it hasn't directly killed anybody, as in overdose or what have you. People who

smoke tobacco are more likely to smoke a lot more of it than people are likely to smoke weed because it can only be

addictive in a psychosomatic sense. Caffeine is more lethal than weed.

My grandpa used to smoke pot all the time as a young adult.

He died at age 50 of cancer.

Sure, that's not an 'OD'. But I find it kind of strange how that goes.

And before you say kids who have never smoked pot in their life can get cancer, I believe that to be absolutely true. But my grandpa was a pretty healthy guy; he was in the Coast Guard, loved to run, and did a bunch of other things. The fact that he died so soon shocked me.

At 3 minutes ago, T3XT wrote:

There is a increased chance to acquire Throat and Lung Cancer. That is only a problem if smoked by using Bowls, Joints
etc. There are different ways to use Cannabis, one of the healthiest and most effective way is to use by the process of
Vaporization.

No matter how you take it, it's killing your brain cells nonetheless.

That stuff messes with your head.

And before you say that that's all a load of D.A.R.E. BS, I have a friend who happens to be a hardcore stoner. He talks with the intellect and alertness of an 80-year-old guy who's starting to lose his mind. Except, he's fifteen.

It is in fact not BS. It does in fact kill brain cells. But did you know that by Too much stress, Rapidly shaking your head, Eating Junkfood, or even Drinking too much Water also kills brain cells?
There are so many things underneath what is circulating on one topic. To understand one topic you have to understand other facts that coincide with the main topic at hand.

Sorry to say, but your friend the, "hardcore stoner," is in fact an abuser. This is one of the reason why it is still illegal. If used abusively to the extent where your brain deteriorates at such a speed such as your friend, then of course you can see the points people make that are negative!

At 1 minute ago, T3XT wrote:

Sense-Offender said:
Inhaling any kind of smoke is a health risk, but it hasn't directly killed anybody, as in overdose or what have you. People who

smoke tobacco are more likely to smoke a lot more of it than people are likely to smoke weed because it can only be

addictive in a psychosomatic sense. Caffeine is more lethal than weed.

My grandpa used to smoke pot all the time as a young adult.

He died at age 50 of cancer.

Sure, that's not an 'OD'. But I find it kind of strange how that goes.

And before you say kids who have never smoked pot in their life can get cancer, I believe that to be absolutely true. But my grandpa was a pretty healthy guy; he was in the Coast Guard, loved to run, and did a bunch of other things. The fact that he died so soon shocked me.

Was the only thing he ever smoked in his life Weed? If so, yes you can get cancer. He smoked it in whats known as a Joint form or rolled form. Even from Glass like Pipes, Bongs, and Bowls. If you smoke ANYTHING in this form, you can get Cancer. That is why, the way recommended by people who have studied weed is to Vaporize it. It is a smokeless form of smoking weed and poses almost a no threat for Lung Cancer.

At 14 minutes ago, Sense-Offender wrote:

decriminalization is just as good

The problem is that it can affect your chances of getting and keeping a job.

And on the topic of decriminalization, I honestly think mere possession of any illegal substance should be decriminalized with the exception of intent to distribute. You shouldn't go to jail for having a problem, and potentially learn to become a real criminal while inside.

Good point. You shouldn't spend 20 years in prison after all, for having a gram of coke, or an ounce of pot in your possession, and then you get labeled a felon, and that hurts your chances of finding work, which will make you more likely to commit crimes in order to help support yourself and/or your family.

At 1 hour ago, WallofYawn wrote: Aspirin is used by many people, myself included, even though it can burn a hole in your stomach.

I never heard this. I thought doctors recommend using it on a regular basis because it decreases inflamation and can help prevent, among other things, cancer.

Oh yes, indeed, it is used for those things, but you know how they tell you to drink a glass of water or eat a meal prior to taking it? That's why. Ibuprofen is another anti-inflammatory, and it also causes stomach bleeding. Aspirin is also a vaso-dilator, and thins the blood. Thus, if you take too much, you start to bleed internally I believe; the effect of an overdose.

Caffeine dehydrates you

And yet some people combine it with alcohol. That's a pretty bad idea. I once had such a bad hangover from drinking Four Loko that I was taken into the ER. I had violent vomiting to the point that there was nothing left but bile. And I was so dehydrated that my hand was stuck clenched in a fist. They gave me Ondansentron, which is an anti nausea drug that is unavailable over the counter.

Yea, I stopped drinking fourloco after I heard about that. They also claim it contains rohypnol.(or as it is nicknamed rufinol, or "roofies" aka the date rape drug)

Monster now sells a beverage that is meant to take after a long night of drinking. They call it "Rehab". How about that?

Eh, I never liked monster. Too syrupy. The only energy drinks I consume now are Nas or Redbull. Occasionally I consume Rockstar, but that is also quite syrupy.

I have a good friend who takes Xanex to deal with PTSD from his experience in the Marines.

Oh yea, I'm not saying those drugs don't have valid and potentially positive uses, but using them recreationally, or abusing them is not a wise decision, in my mind. I'm not above taking opiates or other types of pills myself, although I have no reason or desire to consume xanex for recreational purposes.

or over the counter medications like Dextromethorphan or Diphenhydramine, which are quite harmful to the brain and body in recreational/"tripping" doses.

Don't forget the liver.

Yep, that, too. I actually took a combination of both of those once, a decision I later regretted. I know they talk about things "frying" your brain. I actually think that shit might have. I mean, at least, while I was on it. I couldn't make sense of anything, thinking itself was difficult, it was difficult to make speech, and I was seeing all sorts of crazy shit.

Not fun at all.

At 13 minutes ago, T3XT wrote:

There is a increased chance to acquire Throat and Lung Cancer. That is only a problem if smoked by using Bowls, Joints
etc. There are different ways to use Cannabis, one of the healthiest and most effective way is to use by the process of
Vaporization.

No matter how you take it, it's killing your brain cells nonetheless.

That stuff messes with your head.

And before you say that that's all a load of D.A.R.E. BS, I have a friend who happens to be a hardcore stoner. He talks with the intellect and alertness of an 80-year-old guy who's starting to lose his mind. Except, he's fifteen.

That's odd. I have been smoking since I was 14, just about every day, and am a B average student, and I believe my intellect and vocabulary are quite superb. I never lagged in my studies, though.(well, maybe a little here and there)

Do you think your friend might just be acting that way on purpose? I've met many stoners who talk that way because it somehow makes them seem more legit or some bullshit, like they're a true "diehard stoner" or hippy.

I have friends who've been smoking since they were 9 and they are quite intelligent. In fact, you wouldn't even assume they smoked weed if they never told you.

Also, to add:

weed will slow down your normal thought processes, even after you quit smoking, however, within a month of not smoking, normal processes seem to return to normal. I believe the amount of brain damage to not be permanent, completely reversible, and not as damaging as most people make it out to be.

(dammit, I cannot stay away from this topic, jesus)

At 27 minutes ago, T3XT wrote:

There is a increased chance to acquire Throat and Lung Cancer. That is only a problem if smoked by using Bowls, Joints
etc. There are different ways to use Cannabis, one of the healthiest and most effective way is to use by the process of
Vaporization.

No matter how you take it, it's killing your brain cells nonetheless.

Alcohol abuse does the same thing 100,000 times worse and it's legal and widespread.

There is only one option: from now on all drugs must be made with helium, so that they float and stay out of possession, therefore the worries about marijuana being abused more if it's legalized melt away, because it's not possessed by anyone in their hands.

There solved, what's the next issue on the table?

At 3 minutes ago, WallofYawn wrote: Also, to add:

weed will slow down your normal thought processes, even after you quit smoking, however, within a month of not smoking, normal processes seem to return to normal. I believe the amount of brain damage to not be permanent, completely reversible, and not as damaging as most people make it out to be.

(dammit, I cannot stay away from this topic, jesus)

In a way that is true. It is reversible if either completely stopped in use, or used non abusively. There is very little regeneration of Neurons(The cells that are directly affected) after the original set up. Behind the Neurons are what are called Glial Cells. These back up the Neurons and provide support, actually stepping in to take the place of Neurons if need be.
Glial Cells are mainly used in the process of what is called, Myelination. What this does is the Glial Cells wrap themselves around the Neurons that are intact or "broken" and creates a kind of insulation. It creates a White Matter in the brain and actually allows the Neurological Processes to return to normal while the main heat is taken off of the Neurons.
If the abuse of substances, in this case Marijuana, is continued, then the brain will have a very hard time maintaining this barrier and will in fact continue to kill of the Neurons.
The problem is that again, there are two sides. The side of abuse and the side of non abuse. I have been using Marijuana for around 8 years now. I do not abuse it and I do not use any other type of drug. I live in a state that has legalized the use of Marijuana and I am a 2 year Med student. Set a goal and stick to it, Marijuana will not get in the way if used effectively. It in fact has helped me so much. I cannot stress how much Marijuana contributes to the relief of Anxiety, Stress, Pain, Worry, just anything that relates to an unwanted feeling or emotion.

At 2 hours ago, WallofYawn wrote: That has to be bullshit, because, while yes it initially causes a rush which increases heart rate, I know from personal experience that this does NOT last 2 to 3 hours.

It hasn't happened to me, so it must not be true.

Marijuana has been recommended for quite some time for LOWERING blood pressure. I know people who HAVE to take blood pressure medication, who choose to smoke weed instead sometimes. Guess what? None of them are at risk of having a heart attack.

Wat. Higher heart rate+Low blood pressure=Increased chance of heart attack.

Marijuana lowers respiratory functions by as little as 5-10%, which in turn WILL lower heart rate. It's a common reaction. Your heart rate WILL slow, when the amount of oxygen you consume slows. That is exactly and precisely what happens when you sleep.

Except for the part where your heart rate accelerates and doesn't slow.

You are also not considering what TYPE of marijuana you consume. Sativa is an upper, indica is a downer. Indica will put you to sleep. So tell me, how is it that you can knock the fuck out stone cold tired on Indica, if it raises your heart rate in such a dramatic pace, for 2-3 hours. Maybe some Sativas would, but I call bullshit on this, especially since I've taken my blood pressure before, an hour after consuming cannabis and it was LOWER than normal. Explain that.

Because heart rate does not always correlate to sleeping.

If you smoke heavily, you could become lethargic, but that should go away after stopping for a long enough time. My best friend used to get high every day and would do schoolwork high and get straight A's. I wouldn't recommend doing that, but you see how not everybody becomes a moron when they get high.

At 15 minutes ago, T3XT wrote: My grandpa used to smoke pot all the time as a young adult.

He died at age 50 of cancer.

Well, I'm sorry to hear/read that. However, that is why you shouldn't smoke it so much. I occasionally smoke on the weekends, and when I do, it's usually just a few bowl/pipe/bong hits. I prefer blunts, but I don't have a steady enough hand to roll. I just get weed everywhere. When I do have a blunt, though, I never finish the whole thing. I have very low tolerance, so I get high with a very small amount. Vaporizing is probably less harmful, and it certainly takes less to get high, but vaporizers are expensive.

At 17 minutes ago, WallofYawn wrote: Yea, I stopped drinking fourloco after I heard about that. They also claim it contains rohypnol.

What?! Get outta here. Are you sure that's right?

Eh, I never liked monster. Too syrupy. The only energy drinks I consume now are Nas or Redbull. Occasionally I consume Rockstar, but that is also quite syrupy.

I'd get Red Bull if it were the same price and in the same quantity as Monster. Either way, I actually like both for the taste. Amped is good, too. I mixed it with Southern Comfort once. It wasn't bad. I'd rather mix Southern Comfort with Sprite or Mountain Dew, though. I also mixed Amped with green apple flavored Smirnoff Ice. That was interesting.

Still, never again will I mix energy drinks and booze.

Oh yea, I'm not saying those drugs don't have valid and potentially positive uses

I know what you mean. I wasn't really trying to make a point. I was just kinda throwing it out there.

I'm not above taking opiates or other types of pills myself

There's only one thing I'd ever try other than ol' Mary and Al, and that's liberty caps, and only if I have a sober friend present to make sure I don't do anything dangerous or stupid. And if I ever do, I'll be sure to have the blandest food I can think of (white rice with nothing in it, jello, unsweetened apple sauce) and only drink water or Gatorade or something.

Yep, that, too. I actually took a combination of both of those once, a decision I later regretted. I know they talk about things "frying" your brain. I actually think that shit might have. I mean, at least, while I was on it. I couldn't make sense of anything, thinking itself was difficult, it was difficult to make speech, and I was seeing all sorts of crazy shit.

Seeing crazy shit actually sounds appealing to me, but I'm still staying away from that stuff.

At 6 minutes ago, Ilssm wrote:

Set a goal and stick to it, Marijuana will not get in the way if used effectively. It in fact has helped me so much. I cannot stress how much Marijuana contributes to the relief of Anxiety, Stress, Pain, Worry, just anything that relates to an unwanted feeling or emotion.

I just play some video games or animate/write a script/voice act to relieve my stress, it's a major hobby that I enjoy doing very much, so much I actually see it as a very relaxing activity instead of work a lot of the time. Creativity is my outlet to stress relief, so that way I don't have to smoke, drink, etc.

Not trying to bag on people who do that though, I've just never had any honest interest in doing that kind of stuff.

Nice, yeah that is an awesome way to relieve stress! I'm not saying that I solely rely on Marijuana to relieve my stress, because I don't. I also use Music and many other things. Just giving that info on the topic of Marijuana.

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