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At 4 hours ago, Ilssm wrote: That interview is YEARS old, before the people realized how bad of a person he actually was, I'm going to say at least 7 or 8 years ago.

May 21, 2011

Sorry bro, it's only 1 year ago, at most.

I like how so many people refuse to try to look at this objectively. They see a video by the IC (Which quite a few Ugandans and I believe one of the girls in the video even has denounced as bullshit) and they refuse to even hear the other side of the story, let alone know the facts

At 6 hours ago, daethdrain wrote: I believe the guy that is not joseph kony.

Straight up. I mean, Jim Jones claimed the same shit, and we all know what happened there.

Kony is a monster, and will say anything. He has made dozens of peace talks, re-armed and then attacked again.

Besides, even if the guy truly wanted democracy(which I doubt it) kidnapping little children and forcing them to carry automatic fire-arms is not the best way to go about it.

At 1 minute ago, WallofYawn wrote:

:ain.

Besides, even if the guy truly wanted democracy(which I doubt it) kidnapping little children and forcing them to carry automatic fire-arms is not the best way to go about it.

I will say that I don't like the Ugandan government either, though.

At 3 minutes ago, hiddeninthecrowd wrote:

At 3 hours ago, Ilssm wrote: It's funny, I remember you from the animation college thread and you agreed with me on a certain topic.

that's not funny at all

people can have agreements and disagreements, hell even my fiancee and i disgaree on a few things

explain how this is funny

He meant funny as in ironic, not funny as in haha funny. I admit I use the term too, in the same way, and it causes a lot of confusion, but it is a bad habit, picked up from others I've hung around with in the past, and so it is difficult at times to break.

On another note, I share the same sentiment of another commenter on that video: if a interviewer/journalist can find Kony, why can't the US/Ugandan military find this guy? What the hell is up with that?

At 31 seconds ago, hiddeninthecrowd wrote:

At 1 minute ago, WallofYawn wrote: He meant funny as in ironic,

this changes nothing

It doesn't change your point, no, but it changes the presumption that he finds it funny, or amusing. You are still correct in your assessments.

And now I know that this interview is from 2006 which explains why an interviewer was able to sit and interview him, making my previous question mute.

At 6 hours ago, Cootie wrote:

who to believe...

Who to believe, indeed.

He could very well be lying. Or perhaps he's leaving out some major details.

Or he could be telling the truth, and we've all made a huge mistake and condemned a righteous revolutionary.

Although in the end, I don't think hiring children as soldiers and putting them on the battlefield is justifiable in any case. No matter who ended their lives.

And as much as I don't trust this Kony guy, I'm willing to admit that there may be a real possibility that he was framed by the Ugandan government. If our government can and has done similar things, I wouldn't put it past them, especially considering how corrupt that government is.

I'm not saying I believe, but it's a very real possibility. There's no way to know for certain, I suppose, unless you interview victims.(assuming they aren't being threatened to lie, by the government) He could've been framed, or he could be lying. Both seem as probable to me.

The only person who makes me feel as though Joseph Kony might be a monster is that kid Jacob from the "invisible children" video. That kid doesn't seem to be lying to me. He seems very emotional, and his reactions to having the LRA stopped are just as believable.

I'm just saying that it's good to view things from both sides of the coin, y'know?

Kony might actually be the good guy.

If you look at The Big Picture, this whole Kony 2012 doesn't really make any sense. I don't know what they're plotting because this movement damn sure isn't about saving African children as a primary goal.

Any body who goes against the grain will always be considered a threat, just look at history

At 3 hours ago, RacistBassist wrote: I like how so many people refuse to try to look at this objectively. They see a video by the IC (Which quite a few Ugandans and I believe one of the girls in the video even has denounced as bullshit) and they refuse to even hear the other side of the story, let alone know the facts

I would trust the man themself than some Hipster.

At 2 hours ago, Swag-in-a-Bag wrote: Kony might actually be the good guy.

If you look at The Big Picture, this whole Kony 2012 doesn't really make any sense. I don't know what they're plotting because this movement damn sure isn't about saving African children as a primary goal.

Any body who goes against the grain will always be considered a threat, just look at history

What is it about then? The primary goal of the "invisible children" movement is to stop Joseph Kony. It was begun by some white dude, who was working over in Africa(probably with the peace corps I'm guessing, video doesn't say) and sees a bunch of Ugandan children living in the dirt under an abandoned building.

He starts interviewing some of them, including a kid name Jacob, about it, and they all claim they are hiding out from the rebel LRA group. The kid Jacob shares a very heartfelt and emotional story about his dead brother and how he sometimes just wishes they would kill them, because they have no real reason to live, because they are not going to school, or doing anything productive.

White hipster guy feels compelled to help, and promises they will stop the LRA. Thus, that's what the movement is about, stopping the LRA.

Pretty clearly defined premise, don't you think?

I was actually in Uganda at the same time as the last round of peace talks between the LRA and the government (2006 I think). In their coverage of the talks all the newspapers (at least the ones in English) were painting Kony as a monster who was responsible for the failure of talks.

I don't know how much is true or how much the government leant on the papers, but it is interesting to see how readily the newspapers were willing to attack and dehumanise Kony. Its almost as if they didn't want the talks to succeed

It's hard to believe anyone these days. They say he's a bad guy, in the interview he looks like a good guy.
I just rather ignore everyone and live on my own way. I won't support anyone and I'll keep it this way.

I think Kony will end up beating Romney and Santorum for the Republican nomination. You heard it here first!

Saw that interview years ago in a sociology class (hipster alert) basically he is talking shit. He really is an evil bastard and is the architect of mass child kidnapping and terrorising innocent Ugandans and just generally bad stuff. However it really wouldn't be a stretch to imagine that the government has pinned some of it's utter cock ups on the Lords Resistance Army, perfect scape goat for some potentially dodgy shit and like i said government failures. But the idea that Kony is a "freedom fighter" who is the victim of a massive propaganda scandal is absolutely fucking laughable.

This article pretty much confirms the notion that the Invisible children organization is a scam and their money doesn't even go to help the children. it goes to support and equally evil regime that is the Ugandan government.

At 1 hour ago, All-American-Badass wrote: This article pretty much confirms the notion that the Invisible children organization is a scam and their money doesn't even go to help the children. it goes to support and equally evil regime that is the Ugandan government.

They are a huge scam and I don't want a dime going to Uganda.

i actually remember some black kid who came to my high school in 9th grade to talk about the LRA and what's going on in uganda and rwanda

i was stoned so i fell asleep in the auditorium lol

At 3 minutes ago, MrPercie wrote: "konys idealogy is based on christianity"

where did it say in the bible, become the worlds most wanted criminal?

Also, according to Wikipedia, one of the commandments was 'Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain' but his army's name is the Lord's Resistance Army.

WHAT A DUMB SHIT

At 6 hours ago, CharltonChinchilla wrote: Saw that interview years ago in a sociology class (hipster alert) basically he is talking shit. He really is an evil bastard and is the architect of mass child kidnapping and terrorising innocent Ugandans and just generally bad stuff. However it really wouldn't be a stretch to imagine that the government has pinned some of it's utter cock ups on the Lords Resistance Army, perfect scape goat for some potentially dodgy shit and like i said government failures. But the idea that Kony is a "freedom fighter" who is the victim of a massive propaganda scandal is absolutely fucking laughable.

Welcome to Africa. The place where the good guys are evil, and the evil guys just don't have as good a PR campaign as their enemies.

At 3 hours ago, All-American-Badass wrote: it goes to support and equally evil regime that is the Ugandan government.

And their brand new iPads plus a few BMWs...

Actually this helps to prove that more than 70% of US/Canada youngsters never heard of the word 'thinking' before. Great lesson for their lives.

For the leader of a largely child army there weren't a lot of kids in his group there.

This should show everyone that they should not believe everything they see or hear. In our modern world, everything is twisted out of proportion. We cannot trust men, and we cannot trust the media. Men can lie. The media scans facts and presents things in a skewed manner. We cannot trust politicians, celebrities, or our personal heroes. We cannot trust the past. Anything could be false. Anything could be fact.
So who do we trust? Nobody. Do not believe anything anyone says if it conflicts with your ideals and your common sense. Remain open, but not blind. Kony 2012 is a perfect opportunity to reach for the truth. I do not believe that either side is completely faking. I feel that both sides speak some degree of truth. However, it is critical we realize one thing. Some feel sympathy for the children, and they side with Invisible Inc. Then we have another side. This side claims K12 to be a scam. Yet, they are no different: they quickly accept information without truly thinking it through. Perhaps they feel some need to rise above the majority? Think about everything. Don't support the first man or the last man there. I've seen people blindly agree with the first source they encounter. And I've seen others listen to each new piece of news and abandon what they've heard before. Only when more conflicts arise do they finally take a side.
So what do we do? We listen. We watch. And we wait patiently. We seek new details, and after much thought, we decide which side we support. Never become blind to the opposition. Hopefully this shall not end as it did with Gaddafi. The truth must come to light. We cannot trust Kony or Invisible Children, only our conscience.

At 1 hour ago, DirtyMeatball wrote: For the leader of a largely child army there weren't a lot of kids in his group there.

That is what I was think. Surely if the camera man just happened to catch him in the woods child soldiers would be seen if he had a great deal of them. I bet there is a good deal less than they make it out to be. Kid goes missing and the government probably goes "LOL KONY" so they don't have to do anything.