"war" on terror?

One of the reactions to the recent beheading of an American in Iraq has been "wtf nuek dem all" but is fighting terrorism with bombs and guns accomplishing anything besides fueling more hatred on the side of Arabs?

The war on terror can be traced back to 1953 when the British and Americans installed one of the worst regimes in the middle-east and for over 51 years all we've seen is violence.

Pissing off even more terrorists is supposed to make the world a safer place?

[Nirvana13666]

At 5/12/04 02:25 PM, CrassClock wrote: One of the reactions to the recent beheading of an American in Iraq has been "wtf nuek dem all" but is fighting terrorism with bombs and guns accomplishing anything besides fueling more hatred on the side of Arabs?

The American government loves the animosity we maintain against Arabs. It makes their plans run even more smoothly if we are behind them because we feel personally hurt.:

The war on terror can be traced back to 1953 when the British and Americans installed one of the worst regimes in the middle-east and for over 51 years all we've seen is violence.

Pissing off even more terrorists is supposed to make the world a safer place?

I am waiting for something to blow up.....

on a side note...Hey "CrassClock", glad to see you're still here

[Der-Ubermensch]

If western governments felt there was a TRUE threat from the Middle-East, the area would be completely leveled and highly radioactive by now. The west wants to exploit the natural resources there, mainly oil, which drive the world economy.

I thank God there is Oil in the Middle-East, we'd have witnessed genocide otherwise.

At 5/12/04 02:37 PM, Nirvana13666 wrote: on a side note...Hey "CrassClock", glad to see you're still here

Likewise, although I don't post here as often as I did before.

At 5/12/04 02:43 PM, Ruination wrote: If western governments felt there was a TRUE threat from the Middle-East, the area would be completely leveled and highly radioactive by now.

I disagree, the international community would hang Bush from the highest tree if the US decided to launch an all-out attack on the middle east. There is a lot more of "anti-americanism" presne than what is reported in the media, the majority of the world is victim of US hegemony.

[Thanatopsis]

an idea might be to set up counter terorist cells in everynation and give them the right and permision to eliminate confirmed terrorist threats after we have found the cells. this way there is no pointless killing and we get to keep a low profile in the interational comunity while making the world safer.

What you're suggesting is a low-profile world domination.

O_o

I can't say I'd feel safer having CIA operatives in every country, given the CIA's colorful history.

[bumcheekcity]

At 5/12/04 02:25 PM, CrassClock wrote: Pissing off even more terrorists is supposed to make the world a safer place?

Violence breeds more violence. Side A launches an attack, Side B retalates. 50 Years along the line, it doesn't matter who started it, because they're dead. All that's left are the people on the floor, picking up the pieces.

[Thanatopsis]

At 5/12/04 03:01 PM, CrassClock wrote: What you're suggesting is a low-profile world domination.

O_o

I can't say I'd feel safer having CIA operatives in every country, given the CIA's colorful history.

first off as aposed to what is happening now

and we have had cia operatives in every nation since the cia was founded its part of the cia's purpuse to have real people in every nation reporting to the cia on what is happening how do you think we knew so fast in the media who the 20 hijackers are there nation of birth and were osama was and what orignization they belonged to.

Yeah but the CIA acting as counter-terrorists? Do you remember what happened during the COINTELPRO days?

[Thanatopsis]

At 5/12/04 03:35 PM, CrassClock wrote: Yeah but the CIA acting as counter-terrorists? Do you remember what happened during the COINTELPRO days?

im sorry im ignorant to that part of history so i would aprecheate it if you would inform me.

At 5/12/04 03:37 PM, _Thanatopsis_ wrote: im sorry im ignorant to that part of history so i would aprecheate it if you would inform me.

My mistake it was actually the FBI that carried out the COINTELPRO program.
link

Basically this was during the "war on communism" and any civil rights movement such as the black panthers could be labelled as friends of communists and have its members incarcerated.

The CIA, on the other hand, is known for its overseas activities of assasinating presidents and overthrowing governments.
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[AleksM]

Dont worry... America will get whats coming to them... The more terrorists they piss off the deeper the grave they are digging for themselves..

[second-sun]

At 5/12/04 04:41 PM, -Aleks- wrote: Dont worry... America will get whats coming to them... The more terrorists they piss off the deeper the grave they are digging for themselves..

the thing that blows is that it is the american people who will suffer for the actions that the president and congress decide upon. what many foreign countries fail to notice when they condemn americans for their actions is that a good deal of us do not worship bush as our glorious leader. if a bomb dropped near my home city it would kill just as many war protestors as supporters. i think the people should have to vote on a war, instead of a few rich people in congress.

Name me one US president that didn't bomb third-world countries. Bush is irrelevant because he'll just be replaced sooner or later.

[Jimsween]

Violence does not always cause more violence, in fact violence often solves problems. If you don't fight back then why not attack you? Ossama doesn't care about politics, he wants power, just like most other despots.

It sure must be fun to have a little circle jerk with all your buddies where you all just sit and agree on something without actually giving an argument.

[Jimsween]

At 5/12/04 07:07 PM, LetsKnife wrote:

At 5/12/04 06:53 PM, Jimsween wrote: Violence does not always cause more violence, in fact violence often solves problems. If you don't fight back then why not attack you?

And it sure is the case right now isnt it??? isnt violence causing problems for the USA?. isnt violence causing problems for Israel and Palestine?.

Problems because its not being done correctly. If healthcare doesn't work at first, do you automatically scrap it and never try it again?

if you are not hated why attack you? would be a better question, or if you attack and abuse why do you expect not being attacked

Power. Ossama wants power, just like Hitler did. Hitler convinced many people that the Jews were evil, when the Jews didn't even do anything, yet people hated them anyways.

It sure must be fun to have a little circle jerk with all your buddies where you all just sit and agree on something without actually giving an argument.

i dont know never done it. you tell us, you are not giving an argument so if you are having a circle jerk right now then you sure know how it is

Actually I am, der puh der, how do you think you were able to reply moron?

At 5/12/04 06:53 PM, Jimsween wrote: Violence does not always cause more violence, in fact violence often solves problems.

The war on terrorism was born when the US and the British overthrew Iran's prime minister and installed the Shah, it skyrocketed when the US treated Israel like its little brother and setting up other puppet governments in the middle east.

These people have been through hell and what doesn't kill them only makes the stronger, and you can't kill a subjective notion like terrorism.

If you don't fight back then why not attack you? Ossama doesn't care about politics, he wants power, just like most other despots.

Osama doesn't matter anymore.

[Jimsween]

At 5/12/04 07:32 PM, LetsKnife wrote:

At 5/12/04 07:14 PM, Jimsween wrote:

At 5/12/04 07:07 PM, LetsKnife wrote:

And it sure is the case right now isnt it??? isnt violence causing problems for the USA?. isnt violence causing problems for Israel and Palestine?.

Problems because its not being done correctly. If healthcare doesn't work at first, do you automatically scrap it and never try it again?

right so we should try violence until it works

No, we shouldn't condemn violence forever because it failed before.

if you are not hated why attack you? would be a better question, or if you attack and abuse why do you expect not being attacked

Power. Ossama wants power, just like Hitler did.

just like george bush and his buddies do.

What does this have to do with anything?

you dont see many attacks directed towards switzerland or canada. power you say? the US has established its power by invading and abusing other nations so thats actully why this things are happening it makes the US an obvious target for hate and for terrorism.

What kind of power does switzerland or canada have? None. Attacking them gains you nothing, attacking America gives you worldwide publicity. Learn to stay on topic and back up your arguments.

[Jimsween]

At 5/12/04 07:24 PM, CrassClock wrote:

At 5/12/04 06:53 PM, Jimsween wrote: Violence does not always cause more violence, in fact violence often solves problems.

The war on terrorism was born when the US and the British overthrew Iran's prime minister and installed the Shah, it skyrocketed when the US treated Israel like its little brother and setting up other puppet governments in the middle east.

What does that have to do with the war on terrorism? If you are going to blame the US and Britian for thier actions then, then why not blame the entire Ottoman empire for not giving thier people rights? Heck, why not blame the Fatmids and Turks for thier muderous conquering? Or the Romans or Persians? Blaming doesn't solve anything.

These people have been through hell and what doesn't kill them only makes the stronger, and you can't kill a subjective notion like terrorism.

Yes you can, brainwash. Thats how they got the notion to begin with.

If you don't fight back then why not attack you? Ossama doesn't care about politics, he wants power, just like most other despots.

Osama doesn't matter anymore.

Al Qaeda is a group, and whoever leads the group matters, whoever it is. Terrorist attacks of this nature don't just happen with no guidance whatsoever.

At 5/12/04 07:42 PM, Jimsween wrote:

At 5/12/04 07:24 PM, CrassClock wrote:

What does that have to do with the war on terrorism?

It's how it began.

If you are going to blame the US and Britian for thier actions then, then why not blame the entire Ottoman empire for not giving thier people rights? Heck, why not blame the Fatmids and Turks for thier muderous conquering? Or the Romans or Persians?

Because terrorists aren't blowing themselves up because the Ottoman empire.

Blaming doesn't solve anything.

I am not "blaming" anything, I'm proving that terrorism is spwaned from violence and more violence is adding fuel to the fire.

Yes you can, brainwash. Thats how they got the notion to begin with.

Of course, they'll want to listen to us. Got what notion exactly? That the US was overthrowing and installing governments against their will? Oh yeah, that's some serious brainwashing shit right there.

Al Qaeda is a group, and whoever leads the group matters, whoever it is. Terrorist attacks of this nature don't just happen with no guidance whatsoever.

Then why are you mumbling about Osama?

[Jimsween]

At 5/12/04 07:54 PM, LetsKnife wrote:

i am adding more examples for what you are trying to say

Why? Because you can't shut up about bush for one second?

What kind of power does switzerland or canada have? None. Attacking them gains you nothing, attacking America gives you worldwide publicity.

please tell me what do you understand by power, do you mean the power of turning a country into a shithole, yes the US does have that kind of power and it uses it quite frequently, that is the reason why it is attacked.

This is sad, I don't think you have gone one post without ranting about something completly off topic. Attacking Canada wont get you publicity, attacking Switzerland wont get your publicity, nobody cares about them.

please tell me according to you what is the power osama is seeking by attacking the USA, you compared him with Hitler, Hitler was trying to take over the world, do you think osama is trying that also. or what is this power you are talkng about

Osama wants people to follow him, and if he gets peoples attention, then he has a better chance of that. And attacking the USA gets attention.

Learn to stay on topic and back up your arguments.

please teach me how to. you cant even make one post without adding a personal attack.

Where was my personal attack? You have consistantly gone off topic, you should be glad I haven't attacked you already.

[Jimsween]

At 5/12/04 08:03 PM, CrassClock wrote:

At 5/12/04 07:42 PM, Jimsween wrote:

At 5/12/04 07:24 PM, CrassClock wrote:

What does that have to do with the war on terrorism?

It's how it began.

Let me put it in a phrase which you might better be able to understand. Relate it with the war on terrorism, because so far your just pulling it out of your ass and claiming its how it began.

If you are going to blame the US and Britian for thier actions then, then why not blame the entire Ottoman empire for not giving thier people rights? Heck, why not blame the Fatmids and Turks for thier muderous conquering? Or the Romans or Persians?

Because terrorists aren't blowing themselves up because the Ottoman empire.

Oh but they are, if the Ottoman Empire hadn't gone into WW1 then the living conditions in the middle east would have been much better. And the Jews would have never even gone into Israel.

Blaming doesn't solve anything.

I am not "blaming" anything, I'm proving that terrorism is spwaned from violence and more violence is adding fuel to the fire.

Pointless violence, violence without eitehr side trying to make a reasonable solution. If we just lobbed bombs at Germany WW2 would have never ended.

Yes you can, brainwash. Thats how they got the notion to begin with.

Of course, they'll want to listen to us. Got what notion exactly? That the US was overthrowing and installing governments against their will? Oh yeah, that's some serious brainwashing shit right there.

They don't have to want to, thats how brainwash works.

Al Qaeda is a group, and whoever leads the group matters, whoever it is. Terrorist attacks of this nature don't just happen with no guidance whatsoever.

Then why are you mumbling about Osama?

Two reasons, he was running Al Qaeda when it orchestrated 9/11. And he is a major figurehead when it comes to recruiting, people look up to him.

At 5/12/04 08:26 PM, Jimsween wrote: Let me put it in a phrase which you might better be able to understand. Relate it with the war on terrorism, because so far your just pulling it out of your ass and claiming its how it began.

Arabs hate America for what they did to them. Simple enough?

Oh but they are, if the Ottoman Empire hadn't gone into WW1 then the living conditions in the middle east would have been much better. And the Jews would have never even gone into Israel.

was the ottoman involved in the Gulf War?

Pointless violence, violence without eitehr side trying to make a reasonable solution. If we just lobbed bombs at Germany WW2 would have never ended.

What do you suppose terrorists want?

They don't have to want to, thats how brainwash works.

good grief

Two reasons, he was running Al Qaeda when it orchestrated 9/11. And he is a major figurehead when it comes to recruiting, people look up to him.

He's not runing Iraq.

[The-Vox]

To compare Ossama and Hilter is complete bullshit. First off Hitler did everything by the book, he went though the ranks and he never once did anything out of line in which his people disliked him for. Only after the war did people realize how bad he was. As much as Ossama he has almost his whole country hating on him and he went about trying to get power by just doing a pussy attack on USA. Sure hitler did a surprize attack, but did it in a way that coninceded with the rules of war