Gospel Portal

[dlxrevolution]

If someone were to submit Gospel music, which portal would it go in?

[Gario]

Gospel? You mean there's no category for simply 'Awesome'?

I would either place it under 'Southern Flavor - Blues', 'Easy Listening - Jazz' or 'Other - Miscellaneous', pending on what type of vibe you get from it (very likely Southern Flavor - Blues, though).

[dlxrevolution]

At 58 minutes ago, Gario wrote: Gospel? You mean there's no category for simply 'Awesome'?

I would either place it under 'Southern Flavor - Blues', 'Easy Listening - Jazz' or 'Other - Miscellaneous', pending on what type of vibe you get from it (very likely Southern Flavor - Blues, though).

I'm talking about music like this for instance...

[Gario]

At 14 hours ago, dlxrevolution wrote:

At 58 minutes ago, Gario wrote: Gospel? You mean there's no category for simply 'Awesome'?

I would either place it under 'Southern Flavor - Blues', 'Easy Listening - Jazz' or 'Other - Miscellaneous', pending on what type of vibe you get from it (very likely Southern Flavor - Blues, though).

I'm talking about music like this for instance...

Yeah, I'd count that as Southern Flavor - Blues, myself or maybe even Southern Flavor - Country. I don't think the precise genre is on here, so you'll have to fudge it a little.

[Rahmemhotep]

Yeah, I'd count that as Southern Flavor - Blues, myself or maybe even Southern Flavor - Country. I don't think the precise genre is on here, so you'll have to fudge it a little.

Black Gospel is nothing like blues, but white Gospel is sometimes like country.

[skyood]

Black Gospel is nothing like blues, but white Gospel is sometimes like country.

lol @ differentiating gospel by race/ethnicity. Gospel written/performed by white people is still gospel. "White gospel" that sounds like country is country. "White gospel" that doesn't sound like "black gospel" or country is probably pop with Christian lyrics. At any rate, I'd be interested to hear what you'd consider "white gospel."

As for the original question ... maybe you could put it under R&B and when people say "lolwut" you can say "know your roooots!"

... or something.

PM me if you post some gospel. Sounds interesting.

[dlxrevolution]

At 3 hours ago, skyood wrote:

Black Gospel is nothing like blues, but white Gospel is sometimes like country.

lol @ differentiating gospel by race/ethnicity. Gospel written/performed by white people is still gospel. "White gospel" that sounds like country is country. "White gospel" that doesn't sound like "black gospel" or country is probably pop with Christian lyrics. At any rate, I'd be interested to hear what you'd consider "white gospel."

Well to be fair, "White" gospel is quite soft, usually involves a choir and piano/organ. While "Black" gospel has more of a funkiness to it.

As far as I've heard, but not 100% sure...

[Buoy]

No one makes gospel music

[Rahmemhotep]

At 50 minutes ago, dlxrevolution wrote:

Well to be fair, "White" gospel is quite soft, usually involves a choir and piano/organ. While "Black" gospel has more of a funkiness to it.

As far as I've heard, but not 100% sure...

Eh, you could say it like that. At least we know skyood didn't take music history in school.

[skyood]

Well to be fair, "White" gospel is quite soft, usually involves a choir and piano/organ. While "Black" gospel has more of a funkiness to it.

You're going to tell me that those two examples are, strictly musically speaking, related? They are similar in function (used in church/worship) but musically? Come on. Completely different rhythm, probably (don't really have the ear or enough training to know for sure) different scales ... not even close. Gospel is its own little genre, related to blues, R&B, etc. What you just labeled "white" gospel is essentially classical with words. One of the primary influences on hymn musical style is Hadyn for crying out loud.

And no I didn't take music history, but I did take a class specifically on how music has been/is used in church.

[Gario]

At 2 hours ago, dlxrevolution wrote:

At 3 hours ago, skyood wrote:

Black Gospel is nothing like blues, but white Gospel is sometimes like country.

lol @ differentiating gospel by race/ethnicity. Gospel written/performed by white people is still gospel. "White gospel" that sounds like country is country. "White gospel" that doesn't sound like "black gospel" or country is probably pop with Christian lyrics. At any rate, I'd be interested to hear what you'd consider "white gospel."

Well to be fair, "White" gospel is quite soft, usually involves a choir and piano/organ. While "Black" gospel has more of a funkiness to it.

As far as I've heard, but not 100% sure...

Hmm... I would actually say that's the difference between 'Baptist' and 'Protestant' Gospel music - there is a significant difference between the two. Because one group has a considerably more African American base than the other, it could easily be seen as 'Black' vs 'White' music.

[Rahmemhotep]

At 16 minutes ago, skyood wrote:

Well to be fair, "White" gospel is quite soft, usually involves a choir and piano/organ. While "Black" gospel has more of a funkiness to it.

You're going to tell me that those two examples are, strictly musically speaking, related? They are similar in function (used in church/worship) but musically? Come on. Completely different rhythm, probably (don't really have the ear or enough training to know for sure) different scales ... not even close. Gospel is its own little genre, related to blues, R&B, etc. What you just labeled "white" gospel is essentially classical with words. One of the primary influences on hymn musical style is Hadyn for crying out loud.

And no I didn't take music history, but I did take a class specifically on how music has been/is used in church.

First, go get yourself educated. Country derived itself (mainly) from White Christian gospel music which, of course, has European roots. Blues and Real and Black (otherwise known as Rhythm and Blues or R&B) derived itself (mainly) from Black Christian gospel music, which had ITS roots in slave songs and then Negro Spirituals (Then came Rock and Roll, which is really just R&B with a different name, until distinctions were made as time went on. Rock and Roll has influences from Blues, R&B, Country, White Gospel, Black Gospel and so on. It was basically a mutt genre)There are a bunch of sub genres and shit, but you CAN group them like so, as White and Black (although, this is optional).

They are related, because they are both forms of Christian worship. You seem to have some sort of backwards ideas about how things are related to one another. They are both generalized forms of Gospel Music. They both use vocal harmony and solo vocals, they both use a cappella, they are both repetitive in their lyrics, they both use the same instruments when instruments are played (generally speaking) and both are uplifting and Christian. How, exactly are they, "not even close?"

In fact, I didn't even read that link. I'm so sure about what I just said (generally speaking, of course) that I'm going to leave it at that.

In any case, I would put Gospel music under miscellaneous.

[skyood]

Ok, I'm not trying to get all flame-y (and didn't mean to originally, and I apologize if you took it that way), but ... did you read what I wrote?

You're going to tell me that those two examples are, strictly musically speaking, related? They are similar in function (used in church/worship) but musically?

I'm "relating" things on a strictly musical basis. From this perspective, by your own admission ...
:Country derived itself (mainly) from White Christian gospel music which, of course, has European roots.
... "white gospel" is related to country and classical European (as in classical > "white gospel" > country)
:Blues and Real and Black (otherwise known as Rhythm and Blues or R&B) derived itself (mainly) from Black Christian gospel music, which had ITS roots in slave songs and then Negro Spirituals
While "black gospel" is related to Blues, R&B, and slave songs/Spirituals (as in Spirituals > "black gospel" > Blues and R&B).
You are relating them in terms of function:

They are related, because they are both forms of Christian worship. They both use vocal harmony and solo vocals, they both use a cappella, they are both repetitive in their lyrics, they both use the same instruments when instruments are played (generally speaking) and both are uplifting and Christian. How, exactly are they, "not even close?"

In fact, a lot of what you're saying is common to both categories are related to function (repetition, for example, is important to both because both are intended to be learned quickly and sung along with in a congregational setting). So you're right that they're somehow related. They're even closely related in some ways, especially in function.

But you pretty much admitted with your analysis that I am also right that they are pretty much not at all related musically, which is all I was initially saying.

In fact, I didn't even read that link. I'm so sure about what I just said (generally speaking, of course) that I'm going to leave it at that.

For the record, you're right, there were several subgenres in that wikipedia article, and I see how you could divide them into "black" and "white." To me gospel = what that article calls urban gospel. I suppose there are other musical styles also called gospel such as southern gospel (which my mom looooves to my annoyance). But what you linked as "white gospel" is a hymn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hymn . Not even close to any form of gospel whatsoever (again, musically speaking)

And as someone who grew up Baptist and has studied theology, church history, and as mentioned earlier specifically the use and history of use of music in the Christian church, this one ...
:Hmm... I would actually say that's the difference between 'Baptist' and 'Protestant' Gospel music - there is a significant difference between the two. Because one group has a considerably more African American base than the other, it could easily be seen as 'Black' vs 'White' music.

... I'm just going to let slide. :)

[Gario]

Hmm... Well, to get back on topic, is there any agreement as to what a Gospel track should be submit as? Newgrounds doesn't exactly have too many options that are precise enough for us to be perfectly accurate, so y'all need to fudge it a little bit.

[dlxrevolution]

At 15 hours ago, Gario wrote: Hmm... Well, to get back on topic, is there any agreement as to what a Gospel track should be submit as?

I was thinking maybe Newage?