Revenge for the death of Mr. Berg

[Nirvana13666]

Bush states that he will get revenge for the killing of Mr. Berg and for that his supporters cheer him on. Why are the Iraqi people that took revenge for the acts committed by the US military against Iraqi prisoners any different from Bush? People die everyday and Bush helps Americans maintain the animosity towards those people and their country. Our American government is so double standard.

[Thanatopsis]

besides the fact that the person who takes creadit for the beheading is actuly a Jordanian based terorist leader not an Iraqi.

the reason he said that is so that we can keep up the torture of prisioners even if it violates the geniva convention.

[Nirvana13666]

At 5/12/04 10:07 AM, _Thanatopsis_ wrote: besides the fact that the person who takes creadit for the beheading is actuly a Jordanian based terorist leader not an Iraqi.

the reason he said that is so that we can keep up the torture of prisioners even if it violates the geniva convention.

Excuse my inaccuracy.

I just think we make too much of a big deal about Americans dying in Iraq. I mean we are at war and on top of that we are torturing their citizens. Why would anyone think it is out of the ordinary for people to die? War is death.

[Thanatopsis]

At 5/12/04 10:17 AM, Nirvana13666 wrote:

Excuse my inaccuracy.

its not your inacuracy its the medias

I just think we make too much of a big deal about Americans dying in Iraq. I mean we are at war and on top of that we are torturing their citizens. Why would anyone think it is out of the ordinary for people to die? War is death.

yes we do but thanks to neo-con's they think we have a right to do what we want because were the top dog of the world.

[Der-Ubermensch]

Revenge? Great idea... just look at where Palestine and Israel are at this point.

[bumcheekcity]

I love the way he wouldn't even apologise for the atrocities committed by the soldiors in his own army, but said this was
"despicable" in seconds.

[D2Kvirus]

How about randomly launching a missile into a civillian area to feel better about yourselves for it? It's what the Israelis do all the time, so that must be OK.

[Vance]

At 5/12/04 10:17 AM, Nirvana13666 wrote:

the reason he said that is so that we can keep up the torture of prisioners even if it violates the geniva convention.

Excuse my inaccuracy.

I just think we make too much of a big deal about Americans dying in Iraq. I mean we are at war and on top of that we are torturing their citizens. Why would anyone think it is out of the ordinary for people to die? War is death.

That's right... but death is death, we can't just go w/o saying a word for those who died in iraq... Though it is war, and war IS death, they deserve do be noticed for their actions in iraq

[Thanatopsis]

At 5/12/04 11:32 AM, D2KVirus wrote: How about randomly launching a missile into a civillian area to feel better about yourselves for it? It's what the Israelis do all the time, so that must be OK.

we ran out of rockets and missles distroying powerplants, homes, gov buildings and oh the ocasional tank so that posability is out of the question, due to lack of munitions.

[FUNKbrs]

At 5/12/04 12:34 PM, _Thanatopsis_ wrote:

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we ran out of rockets and missles distroying powerplants, homes, gov buildings and oh the ocasional tank so that posability is out of the question, due to lack of munitions.

What? the US, out of ordinance? Not bloody likely. Half the reason we're in this war was to get rid of surplus. If you'll notice, we're actually dropping ordinance from vietnam upgraded with smart "kits". We'll run out of blood before we run out of bullets.

[Dan22]

Ok, so we torture iraqi prisoners... Boo Hoo! We're an evil country, great!
Isn't it time to show the other countries how evil we are? lets spin the wheel o' mosques... we're not out of bombs, there's plenty of bombs we haven't used for fear of unnecessary collateral damage, time to break em' out of the closet and letsee... level one holy site in a random terror supporting (or overlooking) country every 2 hours until we have the heads of each of those people in the video on a silver platter... theres a saying "If your'e going to walk up to the bell, ring it..." Enough of this half-assed 'humane' warfare...

We should hold a society to its *own* standards... not the lofty ones that make them laugh about how soft our country iswhen were *not* handing them aid checks.

[Thanatopsis]

At 5/12/04 01:15 PM, JudgeSkvnkFUNK wrote:

What? the US, out of ordinance? Not bloody likely. Half the reason we're in this war was to get rid of surplus. If you'll notice, we're actually dropping ordinance from vietnam upgraded with smart "kits". We'll run out of blood before we run out of bullets.

ofcourse we have pleanty of bombs and shells and rounds for our men not to mention cruse missles but we dont have the plain type anymore the saudis own all of ours that we didnt use on Saddam.

[BazzMann]

George Bush, and most other world leaders for that matter, are simply schoolkids. Schoolkids with guns.

What makes these people SO dangerous, isn't the guns - but the school-kid nature. Children have that attitude as a transition phase, before they get out of their first few years at school - and tit-for-tat, petty namecalling and revenge is "fine" - they grow out of it, and they're in a balanced, fair environment that doesn't cause any future resentment.

Unfortunately, we're in the real world. EVERY moderate action that ANY media-highlighted country will take, will be monitored, and there'll ALWAYS be knock-on effects. Let's look at the timeline:

September 11th, America takes a major economic, social and environmental blow - terrorists blamed, and "war on terror" declared for this genuine atrocity.

Invasion of afghanistan (at the time the ones blamed)... and then invasion of Iraq (which I think was dumb, but FAIR ENOUGH, what's done is done...).

US soldiers killed along with many Iraqis - tit-for-tat standard war-killings take place.

US soldiers (as well as UK, etc.) highlighted for their monstrosities in Iraq (which was pretty overlooked by american officials, though they did give SOME damn about it...).

Iraqis retalitate - brutally, sickeningly and horribly, yes. But they retaliated. One man down - brutal killing...

Tragedy, yes. I feel awful for the guy, his family, friends and anyone who had the mispleasure to watch it... it's awful. But if the US retaliates (sigh... again), what the hell will this do? Does George W REALLY believe that the almighty US of A is strong enough to kill or maim EVERY civilian that is pissed off with america? Does he think this will stop any MORE retaliations?

Stick to objectives, sort out terror problems, and work for peace. Not a militaristic dictatorship hell-bent on war.

[Dan22]

:Does George W REALLY believe that the almighty US of A is strong :enough to kill or maim EVERY civilian that is pissed off with america?

Hey, its always good to set goals... however insane they might be.

[fli]

I think there should be no revenge. 1st, if the purpose of the war is to "liberate" the people and implement democracy, we must abide to our own rules. Vigilante justice isn't appropriate. Yes, the beheading was quite horrific, but we must look for the people whom did this, and not punish Iraq some more.

[Empanado]

At 5/12/04 02:26 PM, BazzMann wrote:

Does George W REALLY believe that the almighty US of A is strong enough to kill or maim EVERY civilian that is pissed off with america?

Wait, that's a trick question, right?

[idiotless]

Strangely, most americans agree with the President. Maybe I'll move in with the "Fucking French" and even deal with their property tax laws.

I bet that Osama is hiding in Saudi Arabia, but bush won't get "revenge" there since that is our oil supply.

The "revenge" will probably contain of a speech, and a few bomnbs dropped ramdomly, which will cuase more resistance which will cause more americans getting killed which will....

You get the point. I am going to laugh when the USA "hands over" the power to the iraqis.

Boy, that will be interesting.

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

At 5/12/04 02:39 PM, spanishfli wrote: I think there should be no revenge. 1st, if the purpose of the war is to "liberate" the people and implement democracy, we must abide to our own rules. Vigilante justice isn't appropriate. Yes, the beheading was quite horrific, but we must look for the people whom did this, and not punish Iraq some more.

No, it's Iraq's fault. Iraq hasn't even APOLOGIZED yet. but it only took them 3 seconds to say it was dispicable that their own citizens would behead someone. They should pull out of that country and let the UN take over because obviously the Iraqi's are not mature enough to handle warfare in a humane manner.

[DrxFeelgood]

Revenge: Nothing a good ol 20 megaton warhead can't fix. (and don't hand me your asinine, bullshit replies to this).

[bumcheekcity]

At 5/12/04 04:32 PM, 70TA wrote: Revenge: Nothing a good ol 20 megaton warhead can't fix. (and don't hand me your asinine, bullshit replies to this).

3 entries found for asinine.
as·i·nine ( P ) Pronunciation Key (s-nn)
adj.

1. Utterly stupid or silly: asinine behavior.

Yeah, like that wasn't asinine...

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

At 5/12/04 04:39 PM, LetsKnife wrote:

i guess what you mean is that iraq is not mature enough to handle an invasion

Well, I'm being facetious, I mostly would like to encourage consistency in the standards that we hold the United States and Iraq to.

and why should iraq apologize it was not done in the name of iraq, it was a terrorist illegal organisation, iraq or jordania has no control over them. it was done by an alqaeda linked group but dont expect an apology from them

Like it or not, all of the people in the middle east, terrorist or not, represent Iraq. When a palestinian blows up a bus, we don't think of Palestinians, we think of those damn ragheads.

on the contrary the prisoner abuse was done by members of the us army which represent the USA so thats why they did have to apologize.

I think the people who comitted the crime should apologize, as should the Commander of that base, but to extend the blame to the entire country... that seems to be a little excessive.

[Commander-K25]

This incident simply further identifies what our true enemy is in this current conflict that is taking place around the world: radical Islam and the culture that spawns it. These radicals and fundamentalists are what keep women oppressed in the Mid-East, they're what prevent democracy and institute brutal dictatorships, they're the ones who prevent peace and prolong war in Palestine, Afghanistan and Iraq. This is the tip of a much bigger issue than the war in Iraq, so please try to step beyond the petty arguments about prisoner abuses or suicide bombings and realize that this is a war on an entire ideology.

And it's a war we must win.

[BeFell]

I haven't read that particular quote from the President but from what I gather from the original post it seems that perhaps Bush was declaring his intention to get revenge on the individuals who commited the action rather than the whole Arab world. Just something some of you might want to think about. It's kind of like he intends to punish the individuals who commited the crimes in the prison and not the whole army. Same principle.

[Jimsween]

This just proves what I've been saying, people whine too much. Do you honestly think that the Iraqi people, who have been living in poverty for quite some time, give a damn about any of this? As much as I like that we are able to be so whiny, it's incredibly annoying.

Berg knew what he was getting into, this is no different than any other murder, if Bush can find the people who did this, then by all means punish them, but making a big deal is moronic.

[BWS]

Two simple questions for people:

1) Is it right that they killed him?
2) Should we not be upset about it?

[ReddSky]

If someone hits you (not seriosuly) and you hit them back, is that not justice? It would be even, if the first guy hit you back again as "double revenge" then it turns into a fight. This situation is alot like that.

Amercans torture a shitload of iraqies, an iraqi supporter (but not iraqi) kills an american in revenge, in the system of justice, things are evened out. If bust tries to make "double revenge" then other people will get revenge on what bush will do and it will continue in a horrible cycle.

The way I worded that is a bit hard to understand, but the whole thigns like a childish game of someone not realizing when someone gets revenge on you, trying to hurt them again will make things worse.

[second-sun]

but in the same light, some americans take justice as "you killed my sons and daughters, so i will kill yours". more innocent lives have been lost in our attempt to pay back the arab world than were originally lost on sept. 11. how is that justice?

[UnfocusedFenix]

Thats what this war was origanaly started, then it became 'my fathers honor is at stake!' so we entered a war with iraq, n as for the beheading, though its terrible, im sure hes not the first person in recent history to have that happen. its really justr the fact that hes american that makes it a big deal. also, about the prisoner, we shouldnt be fuckin torruting them, thats just fucked up. i mean, were becomine like japs in ww2. do we really wanna be like them? (jk asians)

quick thing under, should bush have second term in office? y/n

[D2Kvirus]

At 5/12/04 01:15 PM, JudgeSkvnkFUNK wrote

What? the US, out of ordinance? Not bloody likely. Half the reason we're in this war was to get rid of surplus. If you'll notice, we're actually dropping ordinance from vietnam upgraded with smart "kits". We'll run out of blood before we run out of bullets.

Well, it's been plainly obvious that they ran out of ideas months ago...

[Nirvana13666]

At 5/12/04 07:06 PM, BWS wrote: Two simple questions for people:

1) Is it right that they killed him?
2) Should we not be upset about it?

1) No, it is way wrong. But they feel justified just like Bush wants us to feel when we retaliate back. The reality is we started this one and we will be the one's to end it no matter how many people die in the process

2) I'm upset at Mr. President for his inaction in regards to the torture our Soldiers did to those men. Another historical disaster that could have been prevented. Bush should have opposed what took place with action, by addressing the nation then MAYBE things might have went down differently. I bet he would have way more support.

What is that they say?....and eye for and eye makes the whole world blind.