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At 2 hours ago, TecNoir wrote: Abortion is fine with me, but after-birth is kinda iffy.

I think it's just wrong. There's no grey area. It's a living, breathing, human child. And the authors of this paper are suggesting that it's okay to kill it in cold blood.

Downies aren't useful to our world so what's the point in letting em live?

At 55 seconds ago, LocoJoe wrote: Downies aren't useful to our world

Arguably neither are you.

so what's the point in letting em live?

Because many of them will enjoy life and be content with living just like anyone else.

At 7 hours ago, WeHaveFreshCookies wrote: Nonetheless, to bring up such children might be an unbearable burden on the family and on society as a whole, when
the state economically provides for their care. On these grounds, the fact that a fetus has the potential to become a person who will have an (at least) acceptable life is no reason for prohibiting abortion."
So if your child is born with a disability, and might be a bit difficult to raise, you should just kill it.

I know that it is "societally wrong" but I actually agree with these statements. I honestly can't stand "special" people, and they do cost the government and taxpayers a lot of money because of their "special" needs.

At 14 minutes ago, VJF wrote:

I know that it is "societally wrong" but I actually agree with these statements. I honestly can't stand "special" people, and they do cost the government and taxpayers a lot of money because of their "special" needs.

So do criminals and poor people living off the government but there's nothing you can do about that either.

I have mixed feelings about this. If someone doesn't want to have a baby and they do anyway, I think it's their right to kill it, so long as it's painless and before they become significantly attached to this world (let's face it, a lot of people in this world just keep on living because they're used to it).

However, I think that killing a baby just because it's deformed or has a disability is wrong on the part of the parent because it seems like a horrible excuse to just say, "I don't want it. I'm giving it back and I want another one." If someone doesn't want a kid, it's their right not to have one (I will make an exception to a guy that gets careless and has unprotected sex with his girlfriend, then wants to vanish into thin air). However, if someone does want a kid, they should take what they're given. Common courtesy.

Legal killing.

The baby didn't even get a chance to commit a crime yet.

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Comparing human beings to inanimate objects
2012

a fetus is not a human being just like a acron is not a tree or cloth is not a shirt if you want a tatto you can get a tattoo if you want a baby you can have a baby if you want a abortion you can have abortion

An acorn is a tree though, and a fetus is a human being

The fact that people want to equivocate human life is disturbing

An acorn is an acorn. It has potential to become a tree. A fetus is a fetus. It has potential to become a human being. You're the kind of person who argues for potential. The potential it has gives it the right to fulfill that potential, in your opinion.

Not going to bother with talking about whether I agree or disagree. Just pointing out what your argument actually is. You might as well embrace it if it's going to be your viewpoint.

I'm going to go into this thread an argue abortion with you fellas and hopefully change some of your minds, I am a highly intelligent person and I will surely get to the bottom of this abortion business and solve it once and for all.

what the fuck has this fucking world come to seriously what the fuck i hope someone brutely murder them and paints there room with there blood this sick and and digusting no matter how the baby is

An acorn is a tree though,

LOL, retard.

and a fetus is a human being

Without the ability to think, know pain, and/or think. Yeah, you're right, it's just brimming with life, it probably worries about it's mortgage!!!!111!!!

The fact that people want to equivocate human life is disturbing

It isn't alive. Definition: alive, nervous tissue able to respond to stimulation. Respond to stimuli, which a fetus can't do.

You may as well say your tin can is alive if it's shaped kind of like a human.

At 2 hours ago, kazumazkan wrote: what the fuck has this fucking world come to seriously what the fuck i hope someone brutely murder them and paints there room with there blood this sick and and digusting no matter how the baby is

I think that was the most hostile/angry sentence I have ever read in my time here on Newgrounds lmao.

What makes me really sad is we all seem to forget one massive key factor. Back before we had this fancy currency, and state protection, and retarded moral laws.

This was a normal practice, that's now seen as barbaric. When we needed to hunt, and survive, only the well equipped and elite were allows to do so, the other children whom would grow up to be a burden or useless would be left to die. Or killed and whatever.

Yes this was normal, we did not want to see those lesser children grow up to reproduce and spread there inferior genes and genetic problems.

Now don't try to jump and say I'm some kind of Hitler incarnate. I don't care what you look like, who you want to fuck, or what crazy god you choose to worship. I just think it's crazy the lengths so many parents go to to support a dieing child. Or one who will never live a remotely normal life.

Got a minor problem? I don't care, you can live a absolutely normal life.

Stuck in a wheelchair, drooling and babbling mindlessly, unable to make anything of yourself, other than a food sink, money sink, and time sink? you shouldn't be allows to live. It sounds cruel but they don't have the cognitive capability to -do- anything.

At 19 hours ago, II2none wrote: After birth a abortion please the word is murder I hate when the truth is sugar coated.

How is abortion itself not murder. You yourself are sugar coating

I'm torn over the abortion issue. I like the idea of killing unwanted babies, but on the other hand I don't like the idea of women being allowed to make a decision.

That's insanity. You should raise your child, no matter how hard it is. It's your DUTY.

No one said it was a duty. It's a RESPONSIBILITY, actually. If I decide to start a project and I feel like that project is going to produce a living hell for everyone around me, and nothing good is going to come out of it, then I have the option to do what I want with it before it crashes or lives in the world of the dark forever.

It doesn't make your life a living hell, just because it's difficult.

Yes it does. It's not "just difficult", it is life changing. I'm not talking about Down Syndrome alone, by the way. I'm talking about a newborn with a severe deformity/terminal illness that the parents have to deal with day in and out. Every moment would be a melodramatic horror what with all the expenses, time, effort, care, and the knowledge that your son/daughter will never achieve anything in life because they are unable to do many things. These negative factors all add up to become one hell of a complete mess that most people with average tolerance and care cannot take.

This article is saying that you should straight up EXECUTE a helpless infant if it comes out with Downs Syndrome.

I believe that this execution shouldn't be limited to Down's Syndrome. Maybe Down's isn't severe enough. In fact, I am pretty sure no child should really be executed because they have something like Down's Syndrome or something like that. I'm thinking of a disease/impairment that restricts the newborn from using many normally functioning body parts, like they were tied to a wheelchair their entire life and couldn't move without the assistance of others. But the concept remains the same; suffering and its tragic, but essential solutions.

That's wrong on every level. Just because a child might not be perfect,

Perfect? We're not talking about perfection here. These kind of impairments are FAR from perfect. What most people expect is an average standard, what should be concerned about is the ability of the child to function properly. That's it. No one expects that child to ace every single math test, win a lot of class competitions, have some friends, etc... People expect them to function properly and live without much physical/mental/financial assistance from others. Your argument would hold water if we were discussing about killing people because they didn't do very well on their science exam or something like that.

or might be hard to raise, doesn't mean that it deserves to die.

No one ever claimed that the child deserved to die. No one with the discussed disabilities deserve to die. They didn't do something wrong but sometimes we need to make sacrifices to make the world happier and remove suffering and other adversities. Otherwise we end up with a greater evil than an execution of a poor soul. This is the suffering of the poor soul.

At 2 hours ago, popsicle-of-doom wrote:

At 19 hours ago, II2none wrote: After birth a abortion please the word is murder I hate when the truth is sugar coated.

How is abortion itself not murder. You yourself are sugar coating

Because a fetus isn't human.

At 4 hours ago, Popecat wrote: Without the ability to know pain. Yeah, you're right, it's just brimming with life, it probably worries about it's mortgage!!!!111!!!

You're an idiot.

At 46 minutes ago, Candice94 wrote:

At 4 hours ago, Popecat wrote: Without the ability to know pain. Yeah, you're right, it's just brimming with life, it probably worries about it's mortgage!!!!111!!!

You're an idiot.

I meant "feel pain". And it's true, don't pretend it isn't.

At 5 hours ago, Popecat wrote:

An acorn is a tree though,

LOL, retard.

and a fetus is a human being

Without the ability to think, know pain, and/or think. Yeah, you're right, it's just brimming with life, it probably worries about it's mortgage!!!!111!!!

It isn't alive. Definition: alive, nervous tissue able to respond to stimulation. Respond to stimuli, which a fetus can't do.

alive 1. (of a person, animal, or plant) Living, not dead. that's the definition of alive