American Beheaded

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I looked thought the BBS and to my surprise there weren't any topics about this that I know of.

An American man named Nick Berg was beheaded by some more Iraqi terrorist types in retaliation for the recent prisoner abuse in Iraq. Apparently, a video of the incident, in which the victim identified himself and told where he lived, was released on a website. Then the camera kept rolling as one of the masked men actually cut his fucking head off with a knife. I haven't seen the video, and I don't want to, considering that it's actually real.

Although I do wonder what it would look like, since I've never seen someone really get their head sliced off. Would the blood squirt everywhere like in Kill Bill? Okay sorry for being a sick bastard, I couldn't help wondering. Seriously now...

Here is the link , but it's been on CNN every five minutes since this morning, so I'm sure you've heard of it... right? I'm surprised that it hasn't been mentioned on the BBS at all. If you've watched or read the news at all today you'd know, but obviously some of you don't. My parents didn't know until I told them. I would have thought they would hear about it on the radio.

Your thoughts on this? I think it's rather disgusting. I haven't heard of a formal beheading in war since... well yeah you get the point. Damn, it's freaky.

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...meh, someone posted about it in General. I only searched though Politics.

[Thanatopsis]

well the sad part is that he was relised from us custidy that same day because his family was threatining to sue the gov because they were holding there son with no probable cause in Iraq. what is even worse is that his family had asked the gov not to make this public because they werent ready to deal with the public knowing about it and yet the gov released the info. that is what i find distastful.

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hm
I didn't hear that.

[NEGtronZero]

I bet elfer is working on a sig about this!

[Bushisamonkey]

This will just prompt a lot more gung-ho patriotic bullshit...

[Empanado]

Just checked it out, saw it on the national news just a few moments ago. Really shocking. On the other hand, it's quite a low quality video, so, y'know, maybe it's a trick. Probably not, anyways. Here, an image. (supposing i finally find out how the hell you put images on this darn forum...)
<img src=http://www.terra.cl/images/Sep2003/F294252_decapit3.jpg>

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At 5/11/04 09:38 PM, Bushisamonkey wrote: This will just prompt a lot more gung-ho patriotic bullshit...

Well, when a guy loses his head for it (urgh, no pun intended), maybe it's just a-okey to do something...

[Vance]

I fuckin hate Iraq, we should pull out our troops and nuke em, send em all to hell.... THEY dont like their lives, we should just end them...

and then send the video of them getting nuked to Saddam, and then cut off HIS head.... that mother fucker deservs to rot in hell

[ehsteve7]

Who the hell beheads anyone anymore? It just goes to show how morally and technologically backwards those damn Iraqis are. Those ungrateful bastards...if so much wasn't riding on us establishing a stable gov't over there I'd say leave 'em and let the violence ensue...they'd be crying for America then wouldn't they...DAMN ALL TERRORISTS TO HELL!!

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At 5/11/04 09:48 PM, Poop4brains wrote: I fuckin hate Iraq, we should pull out our troops and nuke em, send em all to hell.... THEY dont like their lives, we should just end them...

and then send the video of them getting nuked to Saddam, and then cut off HIS head.... that mother fucker deservs to rot in hell

Your nick sums it all, thanks.

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At 5/11/04 09:54 PM, ehsteve7 wrote: Who the hell beheads anyone anymore?

African guerrillas. -And while we're at it, look it on the bright side, at least they didn't place this poor guy's genitals on his mouth.

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At 5/11/04 09:54 PM, ehsteve7 wrote: Who the hell beheads anyone anymore? It just goes to show how morally and technologically backwards those damn Iraqis are.

Who are you to say that the Iraqis are so, your comments are unruly and simple.

Those ungrateful bastards...if so much wasn't riding on us establishing a stable gov't over there

Please tell me, what stable government?

I'd say leave 'em and let the violence ensue...they'd be crying for America then wouldn't they...DAMN ALL TERRORISTS TO HELL!!

Mmm, more like the international community, as it seems America isn't too adept at solving situations like this.

[ehsteve7]

At 5/11/04 10:29 PM, Member_of_the_Despot wrote:

At 5/11/04 09:54 PM, ehsteve7 wrote:

Who are you to say that the Iraqis are so, your comments are unruly and simple.

Unruly and simple...heh. Are you telling me that you don't believe that decapitation is wrong and has no place being performed in the modern age. And you mean to tell me you believe that no other Iraqi in that country cheered at that video. Who's simple now?

Please tell me, what stable government?

You must live under a rock. Right now Iraq has a governing council...I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want my entire country to be "governed" by a council. And haven't you heard of the June 30 power transfer to the new Iraqi democracy ? Sure they won't be receiving complete rule, but at least they'll have something. And don't think that means I think insurgency will stop...Jihad never ends for them.

Mmm, more like the international community, as it seems America isn't too adept at solving situations like this.

Adept or not, no one can handle a situation involving opponents who won't stand for change, good or bad...next time we'll just leave the evil dictator in place and hope the best, how's that sound?

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At 5/11/04 10:44 PM, ehsteve7 wrote:

At 5/11/04 10:29 PM, Member_of_the_Despot wrote:

At 5/11/04 09:54 PM, ehsteve7 wrote:

Who are you to say that the Iraqis are so, your comments are unruly and simple.

Unruly and simple...heh. Are you telling me that you don't believe that decapitation is wrong and has no place being performed in the modern age. And you mean to tell me you believe that no other Iraqi in that country cheered at that video. Who's simple now?

How does the ethics of decapitation tie and the praising of the acts by other Iraqis tie into my comments. Attepting to twist arguments and replying with childish remarks, is a bit old.

Please tell me, what stable government?

You must live under a rock. Right now Iraq has a governing council...I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want my entire country to be "governed" by a council. And haven't you heard of the June 30 power transfer to the new Iraqi democracy ? Sure they won't be receiving complete rule, but at least they'll have something. And don't think that means I think insurgency will stop...Jihad never ends for them.

That council is nothing but a puppet government, there is no securtiy and stability in the country. What is up with your rambling about "their jihad never ending," it's pitiful.

Mmm, more like the international community, as it seems America isn't too adept at solving situations like this.

Adept or not, no one can handle a situation involving opponents who won't stand for change, good or bad...next time we'll just leave the evil dictator in place and hope the best, how's that sound?

You keep forgeting about the international community.

[Thanatopsis]

well to everyone who is out for blood then join the army and work in the god dam mother fucking torture rooms. (sorry about the profanity) and then see how the Iraqis feel about you when you say what you fucking do.

we arent helping Iraq it was better off before we invaded they had electrisity, running clean water and THERE oil pipe line was safe they werent killing each otherand the only limiting factor on them was the UN embargo so stop complaining about the beheading of one US citizen unless you are going to complain about the god dam torture rooms that the US used to torture and kill Iraqi civilians.

[ehsteve7]

At 5/11/04 10:53 PM, Member_of_the_Despot wrote:

You keep forgeting about the international community.

The international community wants nothing to do with this. They would just indulge the insurgents until they were out of control. IF I recall, the international community tried to deal with Hitler before war was declared and we all know what came of that.

Insult my ideas all you want. Every problem we've had with iraq stemmed from Jihad. Deny it if you wish. I need to go to sleep.

[JudgeDredd]

I'm surprised Americans are so aghast at a bit or reality TV.

Honestly, the whole Middle East has been the whipping boy for Hollywood and the US Government for a decade. For nearly a century if you go back to the Brits..

Don't tell me one is real and has serious consequences and the other is a fake moneymaking venture. Like Thanatopsis says, reality TV is seeing how American army guards treat fellow human beings.

Geneva Convention - my ass.

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At 5/11/04 11:09 PM, ehsteve7 wrote:

At 5/11/04 10:53 PM, Member_of_the_Despot wrote:

You keep forgeting about the international community.

The international community wants nothing to do with this.

For very good reasons. There was no immediate threat from Iraq, didn't America go to war against Iraq for some ghost W.M.D. or another and now we have staryed off and are now supposedly liberating a country. THis whole invasion was a mess and now many nations other not including the aggressors have to clean it up.

They would just indulge the insurgents until they were out of control. IF I recall, the international community tried to deal with Hitler before war was declared and we all know what came of that.

Sorry, I don't see a connection.

Insult my ideas all you want. Every problem we've had with iraq stemmed from Jihad. Deny it if you wish. I need to go to sleep.

Please, visible connections would really help out.

Good luck on your sleep, fine contestant.

[Thanatopsis]

At 5/11/04 11:23 PM, Judge_Skvnk wrote:
Geneva Convention - my ass.

it ended when US force droped poisen gas on Veitnemise, and along with all the other war crimes that the US comited like the countless massicers for body counts, its just that the populus doesnt realize that fact.

Treat people like shit and that's what you get.

[bumcheekcity]

YOu know what's great? The people that complain most are the ones that remind us that "People die in war. Live with it"

I wonder... why are the images of Abu Ghraib too disturbing to release to the public yet this video isa-ok to show on the evening news?

[Thanatopsis]

At 5/12/04 12:46 PM, CrassClock wrote: I wonder... why are the images of Abu Ghraib too disturbing to release to the public yet this video isa-ok to show on the evening news?

because good christian soldgers never do anything wrong so that when theres acusations it must be so horable that the good christian soldgers need to be protected. were as the Muslim infidels are heathen and we must demonise all things that they do.

[bumcheekcity]

At 5/12/04 12:46 PM, CrassClock wrote: I wonder... why are the images of Abu Ghraib too disturbing to release to the public yet this video isa-ok to show on the evening news?

They actually showed the video on the news? That is disgusting.

[Der-Ubermensch]

Hypocrisy-" a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion"

It seems to run rampant, and its not just the US government who's to blame. Our ancestors colonized the world, raped and pillaged... how convenient that when it is we who sit atop the world, all these practices become barbaric and unjust.

At 5/12/04 12:57 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: They actually showed the video on the news? That is disgusting.

well as Judge Dredd said, this is just another reality TV show.
Yahoo news.

CNN

[Thanatopsis]

At 5/12/04 01:02 PM, Ruination wrote:

how convenient that when it is we who sit atop the world, all these practices become barbaric and unjust.

well thanks to the people who follow the thinking of history is writen by victors they erased the barbarics parts of what they did so that they would look good but it doesnt make them any better for erasing the idea that we did some thng wrong from our mind.

[JoS]

Iraq is one of the oldest civiliazations in the world. I heard Bagdahd is the oldest settlment still standing. This country has more culture in its baby finger than the US does in its entrie arsenal. These people ebing tortured and no more guilt of any crime that your average GI Joe. They fought for their country and followed orders. What the hell would the US do if they had lost in Iraq and the Iraqies were doing this to American troops? They would fucking behead everyone in Iraq. Arent we being a little two faced by this? I mean its not so bad to torture Iraqi soliders, I mean its disgusting and shit and hell they will go to the brig for a couple months then get a dishonerbale discharge. This is street justice. Sure he had nothing to do with it, but as an American traveling to this area he knew the risks.
By the way how many people here are aware of the fact that he had been previous detained by American and Iraqi troops in Bagdahd after an incedent at a checkpoint, and was released when the family sued the gov't?

[JudgeDredd]

At 5/12/04 12:46 PM, CrassClock wrote: I wonder... why are the images of Abu Ghraib too disturbing to release to the public yet this video is a-ok to show on the evening news?

they say it's to protect the innocent ....or was it because 90% of detainies are innocent? ..well one or the other.

the alternative reason offered is that if they show the images, it might possibly jeopardize the pending court marshals, and exacerbate the humiliation felt by the abused and their families.

i dunno, but i'm waiting for the day that every prison in the world has must have live feed webcast by international law.

And taken to it's extreme.. a UN decree that any and every bullet or bomb that doesn't have imaging capability fed to storage medium in the plane, gun, or whatever delivery mechanism shall be deemed in breach of international treaty and to place the (obsolete) offending weapon under a new provision of anti-terrorist status - Weapon of Anonymous Kill (WAK)

Of-course, knives swords, and other personal weapons shall remain fully exempt..