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Ending Occupy Nashville Feb. 23rd, 2012 @ 07:50 PM Reply

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NASHVILLE, TN (WSMV-AP) -
A proposal aimed at stopping Occupy Nashville protesters from staying overnight at the Capitol complex passed the state Senate Thursday. The measure was approved 20-10.

The companion bill passed the House 70-26 last week. The legislation will now return to the lower chamber for concurrence after an amendment was added. The governor would then have to sign it into law.

The legislation would make it a misdemeanor to lay down "bedding for the purpose of sleeping." It refers to items associated with camping.

Protesters have camped at Legislative Plaza since early October. At one time there were as many as 60 tents, but that number is now less than half, mainly because of the proposed legislation.

Under the proposal, violators would be fined as much as $2,500 and face up to nearly a year in jail.

Supporters say the bill is necessary because of criminal activity and lewd behavior at the encampment.

Copyright 2012 WSMV. All rights reserved. The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.wsmv.com/story/17002478/occupy-nashville-bill-pas ses-senate-20-10

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I was hoping against all hope that the usual winter weather would cause enough to freeze-out the Occupy Wallstreet Movement in Tennessee. BUT, our winter has been unseasonably warm as of late, so the occupiers have had little if no discomfort as they sit in their little tents posting on facebook and twitter about "the revolution."

So, my state has decided to take it upon itself to effectively end the movement altogether. I'm searching for older articles on the bill that has been passed, but supposedly it is based on already standing federal statutes that prohibit camping on state owned property. The Occupy Movement in Nashville will still be allowed to congregate and protest on Legislative Plaza, but they won't be able to set up tents and live there.

Personally? Good riddance. I am so sick to death of hearing about the dozen or so protestors and their stupid little tents taking up space on legislative plaza that I could puke BLOOD. They've accomplished little more than becoming a public nuisance under the guise of "free speech," with the only "change" they've managed to effect is this bill which seeks to do them in.

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Response to Ending Occupy Nashville Feb. 23rd, 2012 @ 08:12 PM Reply

100% Constutional too!

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Response to Ending Occupy Nashville Feb. 23rd, 2012 @ 08:33 PM Reply

Being a supporter of the movement myself, I see it as a good thing. Legislation like this will only gear them towards refining their message and techniques, not be their undoing.

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Response to Ending Occupy Nashville Feb. 23rd, 2012 @ 08:42 PM Reply

At 6 minutes ago, MultiCanimefan wrote: Being a supporter of the movement myself, I see it as a good thing. Legislation like this will only gear them towards refining their message and techniques, not be their undoing.

Given that their message and technique up to this point was to stand around a bitch while doing nothing, there's not much to refine.


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Response to Ending Occupy Nashville Feb. 23rd, 2012 @ 08:49 PM Reply

Occupy Pittsburgh was on a private park (actually private, not the private/public mix Zuccotti Park is) so they got evicted, as the owners generally close it during the winter months. All the whiners at Firedoglake were going on about "OMG FREE SPEECH DOES NOT STOP IN THE WINTER MONTHS!!!!111" Forcibly taking over a private park is not free speech. Plus, the owners are on the hook for $100K in damages and now they'll have to call exterminators thanks to the rats these idiots attracted.

One of my coworkers is from the Ukraine and lived through Soviet occupation. She's been against the movement since day one. Interesting how folks from the former Communist countries see the movement's ideals for what it is.

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Response to Ending Occupy Nashville Feb. 23rd, 2012 @ 09:12 PM Reply

At 12 minutes ago, RydiaLockheart wrote:
One of my coworkers is from the Ukraine and lived through Soviet occupation. She's been against the movement since day one. Interesting how folks from the former Communist countries see the movement's ideals for what it is.

Communism/hardcore socialism is like war, the people who have never experienced it delight in it, those who have know that it is pure hell.

It's like the retards who play call of duty and decide they want to be in the military and end up getting the boot because they lack the basic discipline to get out of bed in the morning. "Well, it seemed like a great idea at first, but now..."


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Response to Ending Occupy Nashville Feb. 23rd, 2012 @ 10:04 PM Reply

Well, considering that we had a warmer winter than normal, the annoying Occupy movement decided to stick around and do what they do best all this time, waste everyone's time and and make a fool out of themselves and the rest of the 99% percent that they claim to defend. And I always thought that the country music would probably scare them away, because there wasn't that much cold weather.

Hopefully, other cities would try to do what Nashville did for the rest of the stragglers of the Occupy movement, because this is getting to the point where Occupy is not only irrelevent, but now being more hated than liked.


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Response to Ending Occupy Nashville Feb. 23rd, 2012 @ 10:14 PM Reply

At 1 hour ago, MultiCanimefan wrote: Being a supporter of the movement myself, I see it as a good thing. Legislation like this will only gear them towards refining their message and techniques, not be their undoing.

Yes and no. Theoretically a swift kick in the ass could get the group to get its shit together. However, seeing as the group shit all over their image it really has no power or influence anymore. Had they stopped camping at, like week 4 or 5 (fromt he NYC start date) they'd have been able to leave with their clout somewhat intact.

What Occupy needs to do is completely disband. They need to gather the 20-30 of them who actually are productive citizens and who are smart. Then they need to get these people, pick ONE FUCKING ISSUE, and go forward with intelligent, friendly, and compelling tactics to support that view. Anything short of that is a massive waste of time.

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Response to Ending Occupy Nashville Feb. 23rd, 2012 @ 10:27 PM Reply

What's also interesting is for a movement whose goals are said to be disorganized and undefined by the opposition, they sure seem to know a lot about it and what it's ideals supposedly are.

Another interesting footnote is how some folks from former Communist countries miss the old rule. But they must have had it made, so we'll ignore them. No, I'm not making a case for such a scenario, I'm just saying.

Also I have yet to see a solid reason why the OWS movement is seen the way it is without resorting to false-dichotomies such as if one is against income-inequality, that person is immediately classified as Anti-Capitalist. And no, don't link me to YouTube videos of a carefully selected group of people shouting anti-whatever buzzwords and slogans.

And as for those who have a comfortable income and still support Capitalism and the movement, let me save some people the time and just say that they must be suffering from "Income guilt," like white guilt only they're made to feel bad about having money, is that about right?

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Response to Ending Occupy Nashville Feb. 23rd, 2012 @ 10:30 PM Reply

Apologies for the double post, but I just wanted to say that Camarohusky essentially said what I was thinking, hopefully someone sees this post before they waste their time with my other one.

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Response to Ending Occupy Nashville Feb. 23rd, 2012 @ 10:56 PM Reply

At 19 minutes ago, Camarohusky wrote: pick ONE FUCKING ISSUE

In my view, there really IS only one issue that the protests have brought to light, and the reason why it might seem like the protests are about a scattershot of different issues is because literally EVERY SINGLE problem facing America stems from that one issue.

The issue: the undue influence of monied interests on the United States political system.

Where there's money to be made, there's an industry lobbyist waiting with a fat check or the promise of a well-paid job for the person in charge of regulating their industry. Political campaigns are bought and paid for by wealthy special interests groups with their own agenda, and the sad truth is that the candidate with the most money is usually the one who wins.

Ask any protester why he or she is protesting, and then ask if they think the issue I mentioned had anything to do with it, I bet you 99% of the people you ask will say that it did.


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Response to Ending Occupy Nashville Feb. 23rd, 2012 @ 11:18 PM Reply

At 12 minutes ago, Angry-Hatter wrote: In my view, there really IS only one issue that the protests have brought to light,

And I'd respond that either you have had an extremely fiultered view of the movement or you are ignoring the millions of other crap put in there.

and the reason why it might seem like the protests are about a scattershot of different issues is because literally EVERY SINGLE problem facing America stems from that one issue.

No, not really. Even if it did, the issues brought have about XERO to do with corporate greed, or uneven wealth. Save the animals? Really? Female bodied individual? Really? Save the homeless? Really? I thought this was about corporate welfare, not a Bonaroo love fest.

The movement shouldn't have included all of the hippie shit. If they had done the right thing and abandoned the camps in time, but still essentially brought the "Corporate Welfare is bad" issue covering the hipster manifesto, they would have been ignored. They need to stop piggybacking all of their own personal causes upon this.

Just ask the Ron Paul. When you add crazy to an otherwise good set of points, all you look like is crazy. When you add hipster-loser-Bonaroo-dom to a good point all you look like is a bunch of loser hippies with nothing better to do than to whine.

Ask any protester why he or she is protesting, and then ask if they think the issue I mentioned had anything to do with it, I bet you 99% of the people you ask will say that it did.

Yes, sir, have never really talked to the protestors then. Sure, that would be a common theme, but I bet you would get a multitude of reasons people were there much of it would not only not be the corporate welfare message, it would have almost no logical connection to corporate welfare whatsoever.

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Response to Ending Occupy Nashville Feb. 23rd, 2012 @ 11:53 PM Reply

good this Occupy shit has to end.

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Response to Ending Occupy Nashville Feb. 24th, 2012 @ 12:36 AM Reply

At 6 minutes ago, Camarohusky wrote: the issues brought have about XERO to do with corporate greed, or uneven wealth.

Really? Let's take a look at your examples.

Save the animals?

You kidding? Who cares about the well being of our fragile eco-system when there's money to be made from drilling for oil, or chopping down forests to build supermarkets that sell cheap items created outside of the US, or raising billions of methane producing cattle, chickens, and swine under less than stellar living conditions? All of these interests can be found represented in both state and national government.

Female bodied individual?

Ah, yes, an issue that is close to my heart is female bod..... female bodied individual....

Wait, what?

Save the homeless?

Yes, I wouldn't be surprised if quite a couple of the currently homeless people are so because of the dishonest banking practices that led to the housing market collapse in 2008 that led to the global financial crisis we still find ourselves in. By the way, Barack Obama's largest corporate donor in 2008 was Goldman Sachs, 4th largest was JP Morgan Chace & Co, 5th largest was Citigroup Inc, in case you were wondering why the banks have been getting such sweet deals under Obama.

But even looking beyond this specific aspect of the homeless problem, the political system in America is not solely guilty of the sin of commission, but also the sin of omission. Politicians have greater incentives to meet the needs of those who help them get elected (i.e. the people who donate large sums of money to their campaigns), than the needs of the homeless and downtrodden (who do not swing elections). Thus, homelessness gets moved to the back of the line of priorities.

I thought this was about corporate welfare

It is, but that problem comes, like I mentioned, from the same underlying issue as everything else: the undue influence of monied interests on the US political system. There is a reason for why large corporations get all of the breaks from Congress; they bought all of the politicians with campaign donations and promises of well-paid lobbying jobs after they retire.

Ask any protester why he or she is protesting, and then ask if they think the issue I mentioned had anything to do with it, I bet you 99% of the people you ask will say that it did.
Yes, sir, have never really talked to the protestors then.

Actually, I have. The protestors at Occupy Boston have been most accommodating and pleasant to talk to, and have provided some good conversation on many issues.

Sure, that would be a common theme, but I bet you would get a multitude of reasons people were there much of it would not only not be the corporate welfare message, it would have almost no logical connection to corporate welfare whatsoever.

I think you might have misinterpreted what I claimed was the main issue, so I'll repeat it once more:

The issue is the undue influence of monied interests on the US political system.

Corporate welfare is but one of the many, many manifistations of this underlying issue; it is just a symptom, not the disease. So to say that the protests should concern this one problem and it only is to fundamentally miss the point of the whole movement.


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Response to Ending Occupy Nashville Feb. 24th, 2012 @ 10:47 PM Reply

At 22 hours ago, Angry-Hatter wrote: I think you might have misinterpreted what I claimed was the main issue, so I'll repeat it once more:
The issue is the undue influence of monied interests on the US political system.

That makes one of you who has brought that up. And guess what? Even though it may be largely related to the actual main point of Occupy, it is its own distinct issue, and the public sees it as such.

I see the problem here. The fact that you cannot tell how these issues ar emarkedly different is exactly why OWS was doomed to fail before it began. OWS wants to be the 99%, yet they brought a MASSIVE agenda. You don't unite people under a massive agenda. You unite them under one issue. OWS thought (Don't know where the fuck they came off thinking they could get away with this) that they could pick one populkar issue and then tack all of their hipster Christmas list wishes as a manifesto on the back of it and the 99% would still follow them.

Corporate welfare is bad! 99%
People with money are inherently evil! 95%
Camping out is an awesome way to get our point across! 50%
Save the homeless! 40%
Save the animals! 30%
Female bodies individual!! 25%
Let's force regulars Joe to miss a day of wage work!! 5%

Get the trend?

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Response to Ending Occupy Nashville Feb. 24th, 2012 @ 11:37 PM Reply

At 1 day ago, Camarohusky wrote: What Occupy needs to do is completely disband. They need to gather the 20-30 of them who actually are productive citizens and who are smart.

I know right there is no group more retarded and less productive than college students.

At 1 day ago, Camarohusky wrote: Then they need to get these people, pick ONE FUCKING ISSUE, and go forward with intelligent, friendly, and compelling tactics to support that view. Anything short of that is a massive waste of time.

You mean other than the insane distribution of wealth? That's what the whole 99% vs. 1%. The biggest problem with this argument is that neither political party address any issue that directly effects them, so they have to resort to what any big group who gets no representation from the political parties do, protest. That's what the NAACP did until it secured equal rights for all races, that's what the Labor Unions did to get some government protection for all laborers, that's what women did until they got the right to vote, if these groups just stood around and did nothing they would never have gotten to where they got to today.


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Response to Ending Occupy Nashville Feb. 25th, 2012 @ 12:08 AM Reply

At 22 minutes ago, Warforger wrote: You mean other than the insane distribution of wealth?

Dammit! Are you people blind? I have never once said their main message was a bad one. Actually I have often lauded the message as very improtnt, but OWS insisted on tacking every fucking hipster dream issue onto their message. So much so that when listening to OWSers their main, popular message actually got largely drowned out.

That's what the whole 99% vs. 1%. The biggest problem with this argument is that neither political party address any issue that directly effects them, so they have to resort to what any big group who gets no representation from the political parties do, protest.

The protest, for the first month ish did exactly what it needed to. It got attention. What they should have done was take that attention adn goodwill and focus it on lobbying, initiatives, court cases, and other grassroots efforts that were productive. OWS instead stuck with protesting, and again the very act of protesting drowned out their message. The disgust they caused by being disgusting turned off people from their image and turned that beneficial attention and goodwill into apathy and bad will.

That's what the NAACP did until it secured equal rights for all races, that's what the Labor Unions did to get some government protection for all laborers, that's what women did until they got the right to vote, if these groups just stood around and did nothing they would never have gotten to where they got to today.

NOT EVEN CLOSE. Not only does OWS not deal with any rights whatsover, they protested wrong. They camped out and didn't do anything. Protesting is meant to convey a message and agitate the specific problem group. Advocates of safe CBDs and clean city parks sure as hell weren't the target.

Overall about 10% of what OWS was the right thing to do. The initial protest. The main idea. The protesting at banks. other than that all OWS did was make itself disliked and irrelevant. And I can guarantee you, no matter what you believe, how naive you are, or how just plain deluded you are, you get nowhere if nobody likes you. In our world of limited attention spans and fickle people, making the public hate is NOT the way to get your point accross, not is it a good way to effect change.

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Response to Ending Occupy Nashville Feb. 25th, 2012 @ 12:19 AM Reply

At 1 day ago, Camarohusky wrote: 100% Constutional too!

yea its about time they caught on to that part when dealing with protests.

I see this as potentially mutual. The government improves it's image by following its own laws, and the protesters will improve theirs as they take their stupid tents down. Unfortunately, both parties have their images tarnished beyond repair any ways.


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Response to Ending Occupy Nashville Feb. 25th, 2012 @ 05:39 PM Reply

At 17 hours ago, Camarohusky wrote: Dammit! Are you people blind? I have never once said their main message was a bad one. Actually I have often lauded the message as very improtnt, but OWS insisted on tacking every fucking hipster dream issue onto their message. So much so that when listening to OWSers their main, popular message actually got largely drowned out.

No, the main message is not a bad one, and many conservatives could get behind it too. The problem is OWS pays attention to every issue some bongwater shouts out. I'll give you an example. The civil rights movement worked since it picked one issue. Yes, they wanted voting rights, good jobs, et al, but they decided that the only way to accomplish all of this was to end segregation. That became their one demand.

Meanwhile, OWS wants to end corporate personhood, free Bradley Manning, end the death penalty, end the Fed, take everyone's guns away...and all of a sudden, these various causes start turning people off.

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Response to Ending Occupy Nashville Feb. 26th, 2012 @ 08:20 AM Reply

Good, hopefully they can get out of the tents and start doing some real work. The Occupy group I'm in has teamed up with another local organization to prevent the foreclosure of 3 homes, saving 8 people from homelessness. We're also trying to draw attention to a bunch of important local problems. Camping is nice, but hard, boring work is what needs doing.


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Response to Ending Occupy Nashville Feb. 26th, 2012 @ 09:33 AM Reply

the "occupy" movement was a dumb idea from the beginning.

yes, they started with a good message, but camping out by city hall and being a nuisance isn't going to get your point across.

those serious about the whole thing need to break away from the occupy movement and begin a new movement, one that is mobile and doesn't involve building tent cities. They could also benefit by actually moving around a bit, holding rallies and meetings, and throwing out the hippie trash that pollutes the occupy movement.


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Response to Ending Occupy Nashville Feb. 26th, 2012 @ 12:40 PM Reply

At 3 hours ago, Korriken wrote: the "occupy" movement was a dumb idea from the beginning.

yes, they started with a good message, but camping out by city hall and being a nuisance isn't going to get your point across.

It worked for the first few weeks. The camping otu got attention. Right about when ti caught in other cities is about when they shoul dhave stopped, gathered the attention capital they gained from camping, and should have started investing it in proper and effective means of change.

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Response to Ending Occupy Nashville Feb. 26th, 2012 @ 01:16 PM Reply

The Occupy movement won't ever accomplish anything because it's largely a political left movement that doesn't want to.

The top 18 longest serving senators in congress are democrats. 3 more, former democrats. People that have been sitting on positions since the hippies were dropping acid are the same mummies in political positions now for the political left.
But has there been any call, to oust them? Of course not, that's not how the democrat party works in america. It works by blaming the conservatives. Democrats clean their own house 10 times worse than Republicans do. At least republicans switch it up a little every now and then.

OWS will go a mile out of it's way not to accomplish something.

It's just like Tea Party but worse. It wants to pitch a fit because it's own political ideology failed, and now it's butthurt. All masked in some phony load of pollyannaish self image crap.

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Response to Ending Occupy Nashville Feb. 26th, 2012 @ 07:32 PM Reply

At 6 hours ago, VictorGrey wrote: The Occupy movement won't ever accomplish anything because it's largely a political left movement that doesn't want to.

What the hell does their left leaning have to do with anything?

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Response to Ending Occupy Nashville Feb. 26th, 2012 @ 08:03 PM Reply

the entire "occupy" movement is useless, and just bred out of pure jealousy of people who have more money than them. around 80% of the demonstrators are liberal arts majors, unemployed, or both.

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Response to Ending Occupy Nashville Feb. 27th, 2012 @ 02:15 AM Reply

Sorry to read that for Occupy Nash. That's very unfort. They'll think of something to keep it going! I have faith in them, and the whole movement!

OCCUPY TOGETHER!


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Response to Ending Occupy Nashville Feb. 27th, 2012 @ 10:52 AM Reply

At 8 hours ago, Nekoyoujo wrote: OCCUPY TOGETHER!

Opposes SOPA, PIPA, ACTA, et. al., but is an Occupy Member.

Freedom for some, even if it is crime, but little freedom for others that has zero to do with crime...

Sounds like sombody is bitter that others have money.

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Response to Ending Occupy Nashville Mar. 9th, 2012 @ 09:56 AM Reply

UPDATE; The bill to evict Occupy Nashville from the State Legislative Grounds was signed into law by governor Bill Haslam last week, going into effect as of midnight last night. According to last night's news, there were about 70 some odd tents on legislative plaza when the Occupy Movement started, dwindling down to just 12 tents as of late, with only 2 tent owners stating that they would stay in spite of the law.

However, that was late last night when I got off work. According to the news this morning, there is only ONE protestor left.

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Posted: Mar 09, 2012 5:09 AM CST
Updated: Mar 09, 2012 6:48 AM CST
Reported by Carley Gordon - email

NASHVILLE, TN (WSMV-AP) -

The eviction notice to remove protesters from Legislative Plaza under a new state law went into effect at midnight, and it appears most of the people from Occupy Nashville have left.

At 6:30 a.m., a lone protester, Christopher Humphrey, maintained his vigil at the Occupy Nashville camp on Legislative Plaza.

Everyone else packed up their tents in front of the state Capitol before the deadline.

As dawn broke on Friday, a state trooper was at the plaza, but had made no move to arrest Humphrey.

The protesters were given a seven-day notice to remove their campsites last Friday and members of the group said Thursday the state could start enforcing the law starting after midnight.

Jason Steen, a protester, said the law that was designed to evict Occupy Nashville affects anyone who is homeless in Tennessee.

The number of tents at the plaza dwindled, but several remained on Thursday. However, overnight, the last remaining protesters packed up their belongings.

Violators can face up to a year in jail or a fine of up to $2,500 or both.

Protesters in Murfreesboro face charges

A Rutherford County judge said Thursday that prosecutors can pursue charges against Occupy Murfreesboro protesters.

In December, some of the protesters were cited by police for camping on the city's Civic Plaza.

Attorneys for the protesters argued that the city's ordinance is unconstitutional, but in a ruling Thursday, the judge upheld the city rule.

Copyright WSMV 2012 (Meredith Corporation). TheAssociated Press contributed to this report. All rights reserved.

http://www.wsmv.com/story/17118459/most-occupy-protestors-le ave-plaza-ahead-of-deadline


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Response to Ending Occupy Nashville Mar. 9th, 2012 @ 12:06 PM Reply

At 13 days ago, Camarohusky wrote: OWS thought (Don't know where the fuck they came off thinking they could get away with this) that they could pick one populkar issue and then tack all of their hipster Christmas list wishes as a manifesto on the back of it and the 99% would still follow them.

The probably got the idea from the process for creating legislation in the US. Isn't that pretty much how it works?

But yeah, for real, protests only really work when a lot of people band together and stay on message on a specific issue. When you have a bunch of scattershot all grouped together under one banner it's closer to a political party than anything.

The thing that bothers me is that early on, the movement did have a fairly clear message: Banks took advantage of deregulation to imagine huge profits for themselves and create a financial bubble, creating a financial crisis that has fucked everyone over. Now, the government wants to take more money from the public and use it to save these same banks. People were understandably upset about that. Unfortunately, they then got a big influx of people who didn't exactly understand what was going on and are just anti-administration in general.

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Response to Ending Occupy Nashville Mar. 12th, 2012 @ 04:58 AM Reply

It's like I joined an MMORPG sever with the economy trolled before I even logged on.


NO NO! Cut the GREEN Wire!

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