Newt Gingrich is a fool.

[streetbob]

Friday afternoon I found out that Newt was going to give a speech at a local college, ORU, in my hometown of Tulsa, Oklahoma. The speech was going to take place today at two, so I made plans and got ready.

When I arrived, I walked into the Mabee center and took a seat. I was impressed by the number of people who were there, it was like a women's basketball game, but more interesting. First, the president of the college republicans spoke, then the head of Oklahoma's Republicans party or something, then finally Newt himself came out and began to give his speech.

At first he told a few jokes, some were even funny, and then he got on to the bullshit. It didn't take him five minutes to blame everything on Obama and his administration, even stuff like gas prices, which anyone with ANY sense knows that oil COMPANIES control the prices, not any form of government. Then, he gave HIMSELF credit for things that happened while he was speaker of the house. Such as unemployment being 4% and the federal Reserve being stable for four years, none of which is solely his doing. He even contradicted himself once, when he spoke about Israel not having the right to exist, then bitching about Obama trying to cut money going to Israel. Then he said something about tracking illegal aliens using FedEx. All in all, I hope he drops out of the race.

P.S. I'm not a Democrat or Republican, I'm an Independent.

[Iron-Hampster]

Well it's not exactly a secret that he is full of shit. Here are a few things to add about him though:

He wants to "cut taxes", invade Iran, send more money to Iran, build a moon base, but most of all, "cut taxes".

[Sense-Offender]

I wouldn't call him a fool. I'd call him a generally terrible person.

[Korriken]

At 4 hours ago, streetbob wrote:

At first he told a few jokes, some were even funny, and then he got on to the bullshit. It didn't take him five minutes to blame everything on Obama and his administration, even stuff like gas prices, which anyone with ANY sense knows that oil COMPANIES control the prices, not any form of government.

Wrong! supply and demand control the price of oil. Of course, Obama putting the kibosh on domestic drilling and stopping the keystone pipeline does NOT help gas prices. It also doesn't help that OPEC can control the supply of oil also.

Then, he gave HIMSELF credit for things that happened while he was speaker of the house. Such as unemployment being 4% and the federal Reserve being stable for four years, none of which is solely his doing.

true enough...

He even contradicted himself once, when he spoke about Israel not having the right to exist, then bitching about Obama trying to cut money going to Israel.

You'd have to provide a video of him mentioning Israel not having the right to exist before i'd believe that one.

Then he said something about tracking illegal aliens using FedEx. All in all, I hope he drops out of the race.

I'd personally love to hear how Newt plans on pulling that one off... you never know.

P.S. I'm not a Democrat or Republican, I'm an Independent.

Ill informed one at that.

[IzzyDude]

He needs to drop out of the race and throw his support behind Santorum. It'd guarantee a Santorum nomination if he does it before the primaries on the 28th and Super Tuesday on the 6th. Not to mention that a Santorum nomination is pretty much an Obama victory in the general election. ;)

[streetbob]

At 29 minutes ago, Korriken wrote: Wrong! supply and demand control the price of oil. Of course, Obama putting the kibosh on domestic drilling and stopping the keystone pipeline does NOT help gas prices. It also doesn't help that OPEC can control the supply of oil also.

I don't blame him on the keystone pipeline, that was a oil spill waiting to happen. You want to know something funny? The Republicans would have bitched if he signed the plan anyway, so it doesn't matter.

You'd have to provide a video of him mentioning Israel not having the right to exist before i'd believe that one.

I don't know if there is a video, I'll look through. Maybe it's on Youtube by now.

I'd personally love to hear how Newt plans on pulling that one off... you never know.

He wasn't serious about that, if I find the video you'll see why I brought it up though.

Ill informed one at that.

Fuck you.

[Dabus]

Alright. I don't like Gingrich either.

[Ihatedapatriots]

Obama absolutely has influence over gas prices and the pipeline was going to be pretty secure. The design would have allowed for minimal chance of spill. There are pipelines all over this country, this one would have simply cut our dependency on foreign oil so it was shot down.

[aviewaskewed]

At 5 hours ago, Korriken wrote: Wrong! supply and demand control the price of oil.

K.

Of course, Obama putting the kibosh on domestic drilling and stopping the keystone pipeline does NOT help gas prices.

But you said that supply and demand controls it...this does too?

It also doesn't help that OPEC can control the supply of oil also.

So, OPEC can...but I thought it was all supply and demand?

Be serious, Oil Companies DO set prices as well, every company in ever can set the price for their product and just about everybody attempts to figure out at what point the pricing is no longer "elastic" and where they can't actually charge more for their product.

You'd have to provide a video of him mentioning Israel not having the right to exist before i'd believe that one.

It's midway down the page

I'd personally love to hear how Newt plans on pulling that one off... you never know.

I doubt he has real plans for any of this crap, I think he's just saying the shit the hard liners want so that when he drops out or gets forced out because Romney takes a majority of primaries he can set up some nice deals as a pundit for the right wingers. Palin's star seems to be fading, and I'm sure Gingrich would love to slip right into that spot.

[lapis]

At 13 hours ago, streetbob wrote: He even contradicted himself once, when he spoke about Israel not having the right to exist

He did not say that. You misheard him. If he had publicly questioned Israel's right to exist, the shit storm would be so massive that I'd see feces fall out of the sky on this side of the Atlantic.

At 3 hours ago, aviewaskewed wrote:

You'd have to provide a video of him mentioning Israel not having the right to exist before i'd believe that one.

It's midway down the page

No, he says that Hamas and Fatah both say "we agree, Israel has no right to exist". Newt Gingrich, on the other hand, thinks that questioning Israel's right to exist is a good reason to not pressure Israel into a peace process.

[Camarohusky]

At 10 hours ago, Korriken wrote: Wrong! supply and demand control the price of oil. Of course, Obama putting the kibosh on domestic drilling and stopping the keystone pipeline does NOT help gas prices. It also doesn't help that OPEC can control the supply of oil also.

Actually, Korriken, you're both right, but he is more than you. It is true that supply and demand control prices, but when there is an infinite demand, the suppliers have 100% control over their prices, regardless of how much it actually costs. In this sense oil companies can inflate to obscene profits and are in near total control of that.

At 5 hours ago, Ihatedapatriots wrote: Obama absolutely has influence over gas prices and the pipeline was going to be pretty secure. The design would have allowed for minimal chance of spill. There are pipelines all over this country, this one would have simply cut our dependency on foreign oil so it was shot down.

What country, exactly, do you think Alberta is in?

Oh, and if you're dumb enough to think it was shot down because it would cut down dependence on foreign oil I have some US land in Alberta I would like to sell you.

[Angry-Hatter]

At 1 hour ago, Camarohusky wrote: Oh, and if you're dumb enough to think it was shot down because it would cut down dependence on foreign oil I have some US land in Alberta I would like to sell you.

To this I'd like to add: and if you think the people in congress who argued for the pipeline were mainly motivated by a genuine urge to help the people of America decrease their dependency on foreign oil (laugh along with me), and not by the urge to help the oil companies that fund their campaigns and give them cushy, well-paid lobbying gigs once they retire, then I have four words for you.

WAKE

THE

FUCK

UP!

[All-American-Badass]

At 26 minutes ago, Angry-Hatter wrote:

At 1 hour ago, Camarohusky wrote: Oh, and if you're dumb enough to think it was shot down because it would cut down dependence on foreign oil I have some US land in Alberta I would like to sell you.

To this I'd like to add: and if you think the people in congress who argued for the pipeline were mainly motivated by a genuine urge to help the people of America decrease their dependency on foreign oil (laugh along with me), and not by the urge to help the oil companies that fund their campaigns and give them cushy, well-paid lobbying gigs once they retire, then I have four words for you.

WAKE

THE

FUCK

UP!

What about the urge to create some manufacturing work, even if it is temporary. Also regarding the fear of an oil spill, couldn't they just build the thing above ground like they did with the Alaska pipeline, any oil spill they have would be easy to spot and wouldn't get into the water table as easily.

[Ihatedapatriots]

At 2 hours ago, All-American-Badass wrote:

What about the urge to create some manufacturing work, even if it is temporary. Also regarding the fear of an oil spill, couldn't they just build the thing above ground like they did with the Alaska pipeline, any oil spill they have would be easy to spot and wouldn't get into the water table as easily.

That would actually increase the likelihood of a spill and the pipe is gonna have sensors, anyway, so detection would be immediate. That was the reason everyone was so mad at BP. The pipes hadn't been maintained and it took longer to detect the spill then it should have.

As far as people disputing the motives of the politicians who supported the pipeline, I would like to have it explained to me why motives matter. It's stupid to shoot down an idea because the people supporting it are in it for their own reasons. You would thus turn down ALL legislation.

[Angry-Hatter]

At 3 hours ago, All-American-Badass wrote: What about the urge to create some manufacturing work, even if it is temporary.

What's that you say? The government putting up funding for temporary construction and manufacturing jobs in order to provide some stimulus to the economy? Why, that sounds frightfully similar to..... COMMUNISM!

Odd. I could have sworn that the Republicans were dead set against such spending when it was called the The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. But I guess that logical consistency goes out the window when there's money to be made for Republican donors, huh? Principles? Pfffffffffff! Dril baby, drill!

Seriously though, the Keystone pipeline would only produce something like 8,000 to 10,000 temporary jobs. Not that there's anything bad about that per se, but there are currently about 12.8 million people who are unemployed in America! The jobs that Keystone would create isn't even 0.1% of the total number of unemployed! Add to this the potential risk of a spill and the damage to wildlife that just building the damn thing is going to cause even without a spill, as well as the negligable benefit that the production of more domestic oil will have to the overall economy, and you've got a really lousy deal (for regular Americans that is. For the oil company it's awesome).

At 1 hour ago, Ihatedapatriots wrote: As far as people disputing the motives of the politicians who supported the pipeline, I would like to have it explained to me why motives matter. It's stupid to shoot down an idea because the people supporting it are in it for their own reasons. You would thus turn down ALL legislation.

Hey, if I think it's good legislation, I don't really care what the motivation is. I'm pragmatic enough to not look a gift horse in the mouth. But when the deal is a rotten one, one that hurts ordinary Americans and only helps people who are already very wealthy, and when it just so happens that powerful lobbying groups and other special interest organizations have been spending an ungodly amount of time, effort and money on influencing lawmakers to write the laws this way, then that's when it becomes a real problem.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't our representatives supposed to represent their constituents (we the people), and not only the people who fund their reelection campaigns and give them well paid jobs after retirement?

[All-American-Badass]

At 4 minutes ago, Angry-Hatter wrote:

At 3 hours ago, All-American-Badass wrote: What about the urge to create some manufacturing work, even if it is temporary.

What's that you say? The government putting up funding for temporary construction and manufacturing jobs in order to provide some stimulus to the economy? Why, that sounds frightfully similar to..... COMMUNISM!

As far as I know, the thing is privately funded by TransCanada, the only reason it needs federal approval is it because it goes through multiple states, thus activating the Interstate commerce clause of the Consitution

Add to this the potential risk of a spill and the damage to wildlife that just building the damn thing is going to cause even without a spill,

I lived and driven through the area the pipeline is going to go through, there ain't wildlife there to harm, unless you count drones of prairie grass as wildlife and that shit will grow back in several months.

[TNT]

At 17 hours ago, IzzyDude wrote: He needs to drop out of the race and throw his support behind Santorum. It'd guarantee a Santorum nomination if he does it before the primaries on the 28th and Super Tuesday on the 6th. Not to mention that a Santorum nomination is pretty much an Obama victory in the general election. ;)

I think differently. Obama would win if Santorum became a nominee. From what I gathered, he's a social conservative that independents do not want. Chances are that independents will vote for Obama instead of Santorum hands down...

[The-Great-One]

Giving himself the credit for his credentials as Speaker of the House, it is a credential nonetheless, he worked with Bill Clinton on different projects. A Republican who can work with a Democrat? That's blasphemy! At least it is with today's Republicans.

Now don't get me wrong, I don't care for Newt either, I like him more than I do Mitt Romney, but my favorite is Ron Paul with Newt as a second. Mitt Romney just doesn't have it together and will get slaughtered by Obama in a debate. So Newt Gingrich is okay in my book.

Also that whole thing about him going after Obama and putting the blame on him, two things. When you're the President you get the blame, that's number 1. Number 2... Newt Gingrich is running for President you dumb fuck. What do you expect him to say... nice things about Obama? He wants to be President and boot Obama out of the White House, not invite him over for brunch and cordially discuss with Obama why he shouldn't be President.

[Warforger]

I doubt he actually believes in half the things he says, he just says them in order to get people to vote for him, that's why I don't like him. Rick Sanotrum is a religious fanatic, Newt Gingrich is a fool and has a hard time disguising the fact that he's pretending to believe this crap, Ron Paul is running on a batshit crazy platform that's a complete joke and Mitt Romney is a corrupt businessman who ruined the lives of hundreds if not thousands of people through his company. So the only viable candidate seems to be Mitt Romney and he's winning, so my faith in humanity has been restored.

[Iron-Hampster]

At 1 hour ago, Warforger wrote: I doubt he actually believes in half the things he says, he just says them in order to get people to vote for him, that's why I don't like him.

3 out of 4 of those guys are doing this. 3 out of 3 are doing it if you look from the media's perspective.

Newt Gingrich is a fool and has a hard time disguising the fact that he's pretending to believe this crap

He is pretending to be edgy.

[MrFlopz]

1990's Gingrich: "It is our duty to protect the Palestinian people"
2012 Gingrich: "Palestinians aren't people. They don't exist. Unconditional support for Israel"

Hypocritical asshole.

I think the most worrisome comment he made was the one about creating a way to override the Supreme Court in case the president and the Legislature disagree with them. He either doesn't understand or doesn't care about our system of checks and balances. He's a liar and a revisionist historian and he would unravel our constitution if appointed president.

[MrFlopz]

At 1 day ago, Sense-Offender wrote: I wouldn't call him a fool. I'd call him a generally terrible person.

This man speaks the truth. Gingrich is an intelligent man. He picks his words carefully in order to appeal to voters. When bullshit flows out of his mouth, it's the bullshit that people want to hear. He knows that every word is an lie but that is of no concern to him.

[rmb073]

At 1 day ago, Sense-Offender wrote: I wouldn't call him a fool. I'd call him a generally terrible person.

Gingrich is saying that we should spend more money on more wars we can't afford, and that we should cut EVERYTHING else to pay for things we're already in debt for. He thinks that being patted down for airplane security is a violation of rights, yet wants women to have a mandatory ultrasound before an abortion. He thinks that the only way to "save" America's economy is an austerity plan. He is saying that Democrats are spending too much money of "trivial" things like education and healthcare, which will obviously never benefit us. I just have one thing to say about this:

Moon base.

[MrFlopz]

I just assumed you made a revision error or something in your OP so I didn't correct the comment about Israel. I absolutely guarantee you that Gingrich did NOT say that Israel has no right to exist. That is the polar opposite of everything he has said regarding the Israel Palestine situation. During a Republican debate, a member of the audience introduced himself as a Palestinian Republican and asked Gingrich about his view on the Israel Palestine situation. Gingrich responded that there is no such thing as a Palestinian and that Palestinians are really just Jordanians who migrated there after Israel was formed. I guess that guy's a Palestinian Democrat now... Gingrich has also stated multiple times that he supports absolute unconditional American support for Israel. He would never criticize Israel. If he said that Israel had no right to exist, he'd be blasted as being an anti-semite and the backlash would cause him to drop out of race.

[mothballs]

I don't know about you guys, but this made my bad opinion of Gingrich completely change:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1_t7Ju9Iu4

Otherwise, you look at the difference between Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich and realize how much money plays a factor. Cain was accused of one scandal, and that was it. He was out. Gingrich has been accused of what, 10 different scandals? And this guy is still in?

[Sense-Offender]

At 11 minutes ago, mothballs wrote: I don't know about you guys, but this made my bad opinion of Gingrich completely change:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1_t7Ju9Iu4

You do mean it made your opinion of him worse, right? Or did you mean your opinion was improved? That was just one more thing that further convinced me that he's a phony jerkoff. He's just pretending to be taking some kind of moral high ground there. "as close to despicable as anything I can imagine". Despicable, eh? like leaving your terminally ill wife for another woman? or maybe asking your second wife, after just being diagnosed with MS, if she'd be into an "open" relationship (and after you'd already been cheating with the woman you have in mind when asking this question)?

That moderator pussed out and got defensive instead of calling him out on his bullshit.

I think it's ridiculous the things these audiences cheer and the things they boo. remember this shit?

boo, truth! booooo!

[joe9320]

At 2 hours ago, MrFlopz wrote: 1990's Gingrich: "It is our duty to protect the Palestinian people"
2012 Gingrich: "Palestinians aren't people. They don't exist. Unconditional support for Israel"

Hypocritical asshole.

Gingbitch made a deal with the devil, and Reagan (may I p** in his gr**e). Hence, why he was transformed into an evil man who cares for the rich. A shadow of his former self.

Gingbitch is not a person. He doesn't exist.

[mhb18]

Lets not forget that Gingrich also said Hispanics don't have children because they love them. They just want anchor babies so that they can stay in the US. He also said Spanish was the language of the ghettos while english was the language of prosperity.

[mothballs]

At 23 hours ago, Sense-Offender wrote:

At 11 minutes ago, mothballs wrote: I don't know about you guys, but this made my bad opinion of Gingrich completely change:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1_t7Ju9Iu4

You do mean it made your opinion of him worse, right? Or did you mean your opinion was improved? That was just one more thing that further convinced me that he's a phony jerkoff. He's just pretending to be taking some kind of moral high ground there. "as close to despicable as anything I can imagine". Despicable, eh? like leaving your terminally ill wife for another woman? or maybe asking your second wife, after just being diagnosed with MS, if she'd be into an "open" relationship (and after you'd already been cheating with the woman you have in mind when asking this question)?

That moderator pussed out and got defensive instead of calling him out on his bullshit.

I think it's ridiculous the things these audiences cheer and the things they boo. remember this shit?

boo, truth! booooo!

That was sickening to watch. Fucking dumbass Americans are too ignorant and stupid to listen to what Ron Paul has to say, they never believe they did anything wrong, never want to admit that the country has ever made a mistake, and without giving Palestinians fair treatment they'd rather think "KILL ALL MUSLIMS KILL KILL THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO ATTACK US ONCE EVEN THOUGH WE BOMBED THEM FOR 10 YEARS STRAIGHT KILL KILL PALESTINIANS HAVE NO RIGHTS".

Fucking cunts.

[Camarohusky]

At 8 minutes ago, mothballs wrote: Fucking cunts.

And yet you sided with them by registering Republican.