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Response to Clabtrap 2012 Discussion Thread 2012-05-01 16:23:50

Double post, not sorry. But yeah SJD I fucking love particle and astrophysics, and you seem to know your shit. Let's rap about Boltzmann Brains and String Theory. And make that shit gangster as FUCK.

I'll be all like:

"Imma stick my dick in a wormhole

Something something SCIENCE!"

But yeah, I'm always down for an open-minded discussion about our place in the universe. Good shit.

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Response to Clabtrap 2012 Discussion Thread 2012-05-01 16:28:43

At 5/1/12 04:18 PM, Scuare wrote:
At 5/1/12 04:08 PM, SenatorJohnDean wrote:
At 5/1/12 03:58 PM, Scuare wrote: something else to deflate my balloon

You are suffering from a very third dimensional problem. Ego.

Just because YOU can't understand something doesn't mean I don't. But let this blow your mind.

Again, as reality is completely relative, not absolute (Einstein proved this in the 60s by the way...I don't think you even understand him so u gotta catch up), if you think that one of us is wrong and one is not, then that's completely correct for your reality. But your reality, Mr. Ego, is not the only reality out there.

That means that what I believe is just as valid as what you think. However, my thinking allows for a much richer set of experiences. I might get whisked away in a spaceship like Wil Wheaton on Star Trek because of my advanced thought processes. You, however, because your thought processes will limit your life experience, will be sleepin off hangovers in the drunk tank callin up yo mama for bail money. So I'll take my perspective over you anyday.


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Response to Clabtrap 2012 Discussion Thread 2012-05-01 16:30:20

At 5/1/12 04:23 PM, Teqneek wrote: a really good idea

I actually LOVE that idea. I'm gonna try to get my work done early today and work on it.


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Response to Clabtrap 2012 Discussion Thread 2012-05-01 16:36:23

At 5/1/12 04:28 PM, SenatorJohnDean wrote:

:At 5/1/12 04:28 PM, SenatorJohnDean wrote:

At 5/1/12 04:18 PM, Scuare wrote:
At 5/1/12 04:08 PM, SenatorJohnDean wrote:
At 5/1/12 03:58 PM, Scuare wrote: something else to deflate my balloon
Again, as reality is completely relative, not absolute (Einstein proved this in the 60s by the way...

Not the 60s. I'm thinkin Civil Rights. This was around the turn of the 20th Century.

Triple post, but I couldn't let a statement that retarded slide. Had to call up my alt to correct that cuz I've been overposting.

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Response to Clabtrap 2012 Discussion Thread 2012-05-01 16:42:03

At 5/1/12 04:28 PM, SenatorJohnDean wrote:
At 5/1/12 04:18 PM, Scuare wrote:
At 5/1/12 04:08 PM, SenatorJohnDean wrote:
At 5/1/12 03:58 PM, Scuare wrote: something else to deflate my balloon
You are suffering from a very third dimensional problem. Ego.

Just because YOU can't understand something doesn't mean I don't. But let this blow your mind.

you are completely ignoring a shared reality. I can kill you...is that in mine or yours? Is you telling redneck right winged nuts that they can't vote and making them not vote...is that in their reality or yours? Whose reality is it? Relativity was discussed waaay before einstein. You don't need any math to know that every man is born into a different perspective and collect information that makes his own reality completely subjective. Thats what defines our consciousness. You are taking a basic concept and pretending like its ground breaking. Its easy to say I'm right and you're right...but its bullshit...think whatever you wish. There is a whole realm of the irrational that i could never even begin to put into words, that is completely mine and cannot come into conflict with others because they are not exposed to it. But when you are going to have a discussion with someone throw out the relative bullshit. Its a parlor trick.

Sidenote: I like you because you are a very candid individual, so just know this is me being candid...not trying to be an ass


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Response to Clabtrap 2012 Discussion Thread 2012-05-01 16:46:22

At 5/1/12 03:36 PM, PiGPEN wrote: -The fucking Catholic Church; Owners of a vast library, an observatory and the Pontifical Academy of Sciences of which Stephen Hawking is a member.

Worth pointing out- Stephen Hawkings doesn't believe.

Though I agree with PiG in that it isn't black and white. Religion can support science if the religion encourages questioning minds, but of course it can also encourage close minded fatalism, so really it comes down more to a culture's philosophy than which god told who to do what.

If any.


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Response to Clabtrap 2012 Discussion Thread 2012-05-01 16:52:24

Ment to say this earlier...anyone want to keep talkin about this get on SKYPE

I think my name is either mstrscuare or scuare look me up and lettuce continue


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Response to Clabtrap 2012 Discussion Thread 2012-05-01 18:43:58

At 5/1/12 04:52 PM, Scuare wrote:

I think my name is either mstrscuare or scuare look me up and lettuce continue

Damn, with wordplay like that we should all just drop out.


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Response to Clabtrap 2012 Discussion Thread 2012-05-01 19:22:49

Not this shit again..................

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Then I heard the dud rap and I was all like "HOLY CRAP!"

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Response to Clabtrap 2012 Discussion Thread 2012-05-01 19:53:02

Haha Nopalitos hates friendly discussion about rap music apparently

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Response to Clabtrap 2012 Discussion Thread 2012-05-01 21:20:11

At 5/1/12 04:30 PM, SenatorJohnDean wrote:
At 5/1/12 04:23 PM, Teqneek wrote: a really good idea
I actually LOVE that idea. I'm gonna try to get my work done early today and work on it.

I have some science-y lyrics about a 'universe' rap I was gonna do also, can I drop a short verse on this thing if it happens?

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Response to Clabtrap 2012 Discussion Thread 2012-05-01 21:57:23

At 5/1/12 09:20 PM, NogginmenAnimations wrote:
At 5/1/12 04:30 PM, SenatorJohnDean wrote:
At 5/1/12 04:23 PM, Teqneek wrote: a really good idea
I actually LOVE that idea. I'm gonna try to get my work done early today and work on it.
I have some science-y lyrics about a 'universe' rap I was gonna do also, can I drop a short verse on this thing if it happens?

can you drop off the face of the earth instead! dun dun chi, just playing.

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Response to Clabtrap 2012 Discussion Thread 2012-05-01 22:39:46

At 5/1/12 09:57 PM, SoundGoodizer wrote: can you drop off the face of the earth instead!

I think I can probably swing that.

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Response to Clabtrap 2012 Discussion Thread 2012-05-02 00:05:37

At 5/1/12 10:39 PM, NogginmenAnimations wrote:
At 5/1/12 09:57 PM, SoundGoodizer wrote: can you drop off the face of the earth instead!
I think I can probably swing that.

Not b4 u do the song.


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Response to Clabtrap 2012 Discussion Thread 2012-05-02 00:23:03

At 5/1/12 03:47 PM, SenatorJohnDean wrote:
At 5/1/12 03:23 PM, DocterCerebro wrote: something retarded with bad grammar
There's a difference between avoiding and ignoring. You have the message; if you think it reveals some scandalous thing about me, post it. Other than that, I think the discussion going on between Teq and Emergency is much more interesting.

"There's a difference between avoiding and ignoring"? Really? You do realize that avoiding is a synonym of ignoring right?

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Response to Clabtrap 2012 Discussion Thread 2012-05-02 04:23:24

>SJD believes String Theory bullshit.
Zero proof, just fact-unsupported hypothesis that rely on other fact-unsupported hypothesis to make sense.
String Theory is grant bait, nothing more.


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Response to Clabtrap 2012 Discussion Thread 2012-05-02 04:58:09

At 5/2/12 04:23 AM, PiGPEN wrote: >SJD believes String Theory bullshit.
Zero proof, just fact-unsupported hypothesis that rely on other fact-unsupported hypothesis to make sense.
String Theory is grant bait, nothing more.

String theory is too new too be called bullshit thats like saying multiverses are impossible because they're illogical. Go smoke some DMT and tell me multiverses aren't possible. Grant bait or not the hydron collider is helping us learn "the theory of everything" and to say its bullshit is off because we've been researching 'string theory' since the 60s. Stick too rap and not debunking string theory.

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Response to Clabtrap 2012 Discussion Thread 2012-05-02 07:40:54

At 5/2/12 04:23 AM, PiGPEN wrote: >SJD believes String Theory bullshit.
Zero proof, just fact-unsupported hypothesis that rely on other fact-unsupported hypothesis to make sense.
String Theory is grant bait, nothing more.

I think a big problem is that when they find a hole in their theories, rather than come up with a new angle they just try to plug the hole with clauses and exceptions, meaning we go 'round in circles and make less and less sense of the whole thing.
We need a scientific revolutionary to come along and fuck shit up.

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Response to Clabtrap 2012 Discussion Thread 2012-05-02 08:44:45

At 5/2/12 07:40 AM, NogginmenAnimations wrote: </pretendingtoknowwhatI'mtalkigabout>

No no, you're right. Everytime they run into a problem they add another dimension. And given that the problem they started with was a unifying theory of the laws of physics (from macro to micro)... it's by no means an elegant solution.


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Response to Clabtrap 2012 Discussion Thread 2012-05-02 08:55:41

I still can't believe SJD produced for Arrested Development.


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Response to Clabtrap 2012 Discussion Thread 2012-05-02 10:55:51

At 5/2/12 04:23 AM, PiGPEN wrote: >SJD believes String Theory bullshit.
Zero proof, just fact-unsupported hypothesis that rely on other fact-unsupported hypothesis to make sense.
String Theory is grant bait, nothing more.

I do believe that the interconnectedness that all of the philosophers talk about will only be found scientifically in higher dimensions, yes.

By "unsupported," you most likely mean "invisible," which stems from the fallacy of attaching intrinsic value like color or volume to things that you see. In order to even comprehend dimensionality, you have to let go of that rather plebian notion.

So there. Just debunked your debunk. Care to tell us what your theory is, Ryan?


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Response to Clabtrap 2012 Discussion Thread 2012-05-02 12:01:29

At 5/2/12 12:23 AM, DocterCerebro wrote:
At 5/1/12 03:47 PM, SenatorJohnDean wrote:
At 5/1/12 03:23 PM, DocterCerebro wrote: something desperate because he wants to be relevant

avoid (what I'm not doing) - dodge, duck, evade, as in moving away from a threat
ignore (what I am doing) - affecting no movement or action because the stimulus in question does not matter

KillBill, there are some Gas/SJD disses in there somewhere, it's not just all space stuff. Good stuff, as I gather.


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Response to Clabtrap 2012 Discussion Thread 2012-05-02 12:04:35

At 5/2/12 10:55 AM, SenatorJohnDean wrote: By "unsupported," you most likely mean "invisible,"

No i mean "unsupported" as in by "facts". You faggot. Science isnt just making up cool ideas, that's scifi youre thinking of.
String Theory isn't even testable. It's pretty much a mind exercise for these maths/physics people. It's not a credible science, at best it might lead to some mathematical discovery that can be applied to computing or economics.


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Response to Clabtrap 2012 Discussion Thread 2012-05-02 12:20:58

At 5/2/12 12:01 PM, SenatorJohnDean wrote:
At 5/2/12 12:23 AM, DocterCerebro wrote:
At 5/1/12 03:47 PM, SenatorJohnDean wrote:
At 5/1/12 03:23 PM, DocterCerebro wrote: something desperate because he wants to be relevant
avoid (what I'm not doing) - dodge, duck, evade, as in moving away from a threat
ignore (what I am doing) - affecting no movement or action because the stimulus in question does not matter

Do we really need to go here?

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Response to Clabtrap 2012 Discussion Thread 2012-05-02 12:48:28

At 5/2/12 12:04 PM, PiGPEN wrote:
At 5/2/12 10:55 AM, SenatorJohnDean wrote: By "unsupported," you most likely mean "invisible,"
No i mean "unsupported" as in by "facts". You faggot. Science isnt just making up cool ideas, that's scifi youre thinking of.
String Theory isn't even testable. It's pretty much a mind exercise for these maths/physics people. It's not a credible science, at best it might lead to some mathematical discovery that can be applied to computing or economics.

LOL! You idiot. You sit there and say it's untestable, then in the same sentence you say it can lead to a practical application in a hard science? Do you even know what you are talking about? Let me help you out here.

If we are ever to have time travel, or figure out what wormholes really are, then extra dimensions are absolutely necessary, because quantum theory doesn't make sense in the 3rd dimension. However, add an extra dimension, and superposition makes perfect sense, wormholes becomes actionable, and a host of other paradoxes become solveable.

I asked you what your theory was, and you said nothing. Means you have nothing. Answer that question in your next post or I'll just go back to ignoring you because you have run out of relevant things to say.


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Response to Clabtrap 2012 Discussion Thread 2012-05-02 13:00:46

I kinda agree with SJD AND PiG on this. If that's possible.

It's true that science becomes unfalsifiable if you constantly repair theories so that they're in line with facts that falsify them (the "almost right" heuristic bias at its best), but I can understand the logic in deducing higher dimensions. I just think that we're getting above our station pretending to know how many there are. Practically speaking, we can use three dimensions as a working hypothesis excepting that it won't always cover every result (enter quantum mechanics).

Ethically speaking, this could translate to a kind of pragmatic quasi-relativism like act utilitarianism IMO. Essentially, we don't have enough information to support any grand unified theory, so we're really left in the realms of impotent speculation, which is fun but not massively scientific.

It's like how you could argue that as we do not accurately know the confines of the uni/ multiverse, we can postulate it's big enough that intelligent life exists somewhere out there, BUT in practicality it doesn't make a whole lot of difference as we wouldn't be able to make contact yet. So you're best off assuming there's none but being (skeptically) open to surprises. Ditto God, the afterlife and celestial teacups IMO.


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Response to Clabtrap 2012 Discussion Thread 2012-05-02 13:07:39

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Response to Clabtrap 2012 Discussion Thread 2012-05-02 13:31:48

At 5/2/12 01:00 PM, AxTekk wrote: I kinda agree with SJD AND PiG on this. If that's possible.

Look, the pig would still have us believing the world is flat because that was "untestable" until ships were invented. This entire discussion of whether the multiverse is real or not and refuting theories on the basis of untestability is completely bunk because we do not even have the vehicle by which to test these things. We may have to develop light speed travel before we can even begin to test some of these ideas.

So I refuse to consider any viewpoint that states that something is automatically bunk because it cannot be tested. The entire point of our theoretical science today is to create the mode by which to test for hypotheses, and string theory, as well as some of its counterparts, are getting us closer.


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Response to Clabtrap 2012 Discussion Thread 2012-05-02 14:52:47

At 5/2/12 01:31 PM, SenatorJohnDean wrote: So I refuse to consider any viewpoint that states that something is automatically bunk because it cannot be tested. The entire point of our theoretical science today is to create the mode by which to test for hypotheses, and string theory, as well as some of its counterparts, are getting us closer.

I think the issue is more that if a theory is unverifiable, it is probably 1) not terribly applicable to every day life and 2) of very questionable validity. Theoretical science is all great and can provide some good ideas to test, but if it can't be empirically tested then it kinda stops being science, so I have my reservations about string theory.

On the other hand, it is a highly elegant and efficient theory that has lead to some interesting progressions in physics. I think you kinda have to be a bit sceptical about taking any grand unified theory as fact though, probably the universe obeys a set of rules we haven't even thought of yet. That seems to be the case with pretty much every scientific breakthrough so far, we just mess with things we don't understand and find out something cool (or cooler than anything) we could have never imagined.

I guess that's the fun of science, the way we are constantly humbled and surprised by the universe.


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Response to Clabtrap 2012 Discussion Thread 2012-05-02 15:53:53

At 5/2/12 12:48 PM, SenatorJohnDean wrote: LOL! You idiot. You sit there and say it's untestable, then in the same sentence you say it can lead to a practical application in a hard science? Do you even know what you are talking about? Let me help you out here.

Yes, happens all the time. Scientists doing mind experiments and generally fucking around in whatever field they enjoy can lead to a discovery that's actually useful to engineers which leads to actual applications in the real world.
See: every piece of equipment in a hospital with an on/off switch.

If we are ever to have time travel

Just because you WANT time travel doesnt mean it's something that is possible.

or figure out what wormholes really are, then extra dimensions are absolutely necessary, because quantum theory doesn't make sense in the 3rd dimension. However, add an extra dimension, and superposition makes perfect sense, wormholes becomes actionable, and a host of other paradoxes become solveable.

Yes an extra dimension is a worthwhile theory explaining the behavior of quantums to explore.....however it has been explored for 50 years now and has only lead to more and more problems within itself. It's debunked itself by constanly springing holes. There are different theories out there, one which may be correct and could use the funding and attention that string theory is siphoning.

I asked you what your theory was, and you said nothing. Means you have nothing. Answer that question in your next post or I'll just go back to ignoring you because you have run out of relevant things to say.

Why would i have a theory? Im not a physicist. I like the 1D theory though, it's certainly cleaner.

At 5/2/12 01:31 PM, SenatorJohnDean wrote: Look, the pig would still have us believing the world is flat because that was "untestable" until ships were invented.

You're retarded, one can go to the sea and see a curvature to the horizon.... there was hard data to support the earth's roundness before it was able to be proven concretely. What string theory lacks is hard data.

This entire discussion of whether the multiverse is real or not and refuting theories on the basis of untestability is completely bunk because we do not even have the vehicle by which to test these things.

>Vehicle.
The fuck are you even talking about? A vehicle? Seriously?

We may have to develop light speed travel before we can even begin to test some of these ideas.

You're seriously fucking retarded, we CAN send things at light speed. That's what the fucking hadron collider is for. That's not why string theory is untestable. It's untestable because all the shit it's come up with requires something like 12 dimensions and a physical particle for fucking TIME and another one for FUCKING ANTI-TIME....ANTI-TIME.

So I refuse to consider any viewpoint that states that something is automatically bunk because it cannot be tested. The entire point of our theoretical science today is to create the mode by which to test for hypotheses, and string theory, as well as some of its counterparts, are getting us closer.

You're a fanboy of a mind experiment you take no part in. Gb2 sucking Michio Kaku's dick.


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