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At 3/28/12 04:06 AM, Lauriet wrote: The best mopus operandi would be something very close to Anarcho-Capitalism. The current United States is more like a plutocracy then a sincere democracy.

Socialism would be a bad idea because the economy and quality of living would get worst and an even severe debt would be collected in the process of stabilizing.

you'd probably like this comic then

http://www.bigheadpress.com/tpbtgn?page=1

'nuff said?

At 4/3/12 05:10 AM, TucoM wrote: 'nuff said?

Ah, only if those governments were truly communist, and only if communism was the same thing as socialism. But, alas, neither were.

At 4/3/12 10:45 AM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 4/3/12 05:10 AM, TucoM wrote: 'nuff said?

Ah, only if those governments were truly communist, and only if communism was the same thing as socialism. But, alas, neither were.

They all were socialist. True Marxian Communism has never been achieved.

I still call them dirty commies.

whoever posted this is an idiot... socialism and its more radical form communism have killed (murdered+ starved) more people than every war in recorded history combined. and to say that everyone is poor in capitalism is a lie. to be poor in America is the equivalent of being privileged and wealthy is a country like north Korea. a good example of capitalism vs. socialism is north Korea vs. south Korea if you have ever been to south Korea they are thriving and wealthy and are very happy and content with capitalism and love the Americans for helping them avoid socialism and in north Korea they are having shortages of EVERYTHING (except housing because everyone keeps starving to death so alot of houses are opening up) and their economy is shit and they have to avoid uprising so they just blame everything on america. a good example of this is the north Koreans have a bomb shell in one of their museums that has the description of "this bombshell contained all of the diseases in the world and was dropped onto our city by the evil Americans." im sorry if this offends people but capitalism allows stuff like NEWGROUNDS to be here. if it were in a socialist country the government would not allow it because it would be a testament of free speech and is against the country's best interest.

im not sure socialists understand what money is either. money is the physical representation of work and the capacity to think. it is when you sell your idea (like Edison's light-bulb) or you provide a service like something like mowing lawns. and you are exchanging your ideas and services for another ideas or services. that is literally what money does. it is a middle man which you can save or spend.

when you are practicing capitalism then you are practicing free trade and have the opportunity to become wealthy. or just the chance to do that. capitalism is built on independence and freedom. to say that that capitalism makes people poor is so ignorant to history and facts known today. and to say that socialism is a plausible replacement is utter retardation. you say you hate monopolies but when the government is the monopoly and controls every aspect of your life, is that better? no its not.

At 4/10/12 12:13 AM, DecimatorOmega wrote: In my opinion, both systems suck.

âEUoeIt has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.âEU
Winston Churchill

Nothing is perfect, the point is to find the least worse system and in this department communism (and socialism, fascism, anarchism and all the suffix'd variations hipsters like to add) is at a huge disadvantage as they create a dogmatic ideology and strive to create a utopia instead of being pragmatic and logical which is what they should be doing.

At 2/8/12 01:00 PM, Nintharmed wrote: It can only care for the wealth, which inevitably finds itself in the hands of grotesque Communist-dictator states such as China. Lets face it, trickle-down economics is bootless.

Maybe if by some miracle..... socialism vanished from the dace of the earth, maybe then countries would not feel the need to save a few bucks by having millions of underpaid workers in some dirt poor country do the work, dirt poor even when the companies there are getting richer and richer, the fat bastards with all the money are simple making a few more fat bastards will all the money, maybe if they didn't have that ability there would be a bit more incentive to take care in their quality so people buy their crap n earn them more money instead of getting/taking a truck load and dropping it in a bucket, when they could take a drop in a bucket and get a truckload.
Its pure laziness n the unwillingness and greed of the corporations themselves, not America, either corporations are going to get off their asses and get back to work, or socialism will maybe eventually reign for a few years and then collapse a million times harder than capitalism.

I do agree that trickle down is bullshit, and is just another way for companies to be lazy bastards, the only real way America is going to get back on track is to stand up to them, pull their pants down and spank their asses.......too long corporations have influenced the way things work when its the people who are the reason corporations work, the s ions must be physically forced to work for the people again instead of the other way around.

not sure i have anything more to say.

At 4/10/12 09:25 AM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote:

Maybe if by some miracle socialism vanished from the dace of the earth, maybe then countries would not feel the need to save a few bucks by having millions of underpaid workers in some dirt poor country do the work, dirt poor even when the companies there are getting richer and richer, the fat bastards with all the money are simple making a few more fat bastards will all the money, maybe if they didn't have that ability there would be a bit more incentive to take care in their quality so people buy their crap n earn them more money instead of getting/taking a truck load and dropping it in a bucket, when they could take a drop in a bucket and get a truckload.
Its pure laziness n the unwillingness and greed of the corporations themselves, not America, either corporations are going to get off their asses and get back to work, or socialism will maybe eventually reign for a few years and then collapse a million times harder than capitalism.

I do agree that trickle down is bullshit, and is just another way for companies to be lazy bastards, the only real way America is going to get back on track is to stand up to them, pull their pants down and spank their asses.......too long corporations have influenced the way things work when its the people who are the reason corporations work, the s ions must be physically forced to work for the people again instead of the other way around.

not sure i have anything more to say.

i agree but disagree, i do believe that employers want to pay the employee the least amount of money possible but i disagree in that the employee want the most money out of the employer and neither of them set the wages. the wages are set on supply and demand. the supply is high and the demand is low, then the company loses money and they are forced to lay off people, the supply is low and the demand is high but the pay is crap for the workers, they can employ more people to work for them because they wont raise the wages and people quit so then they are forced to raise wages to keep the workers working and give people incentive to work for that company. that is how simple it can be explained, the employer wants the most money and if the demand is high they are willing to raise wages to employ more people (i know i would at least) trickle down theory does work, and well too, its worked for a good 200 years in america in cities. and when all the employers were having shit pay and people were suffering because of it (late 1800's) the people were smart enough to unionize and go on strike for higher pay and better work environment.

people are smart enough to find ways for an employer to not take advantage of them and the employer can just fire and replace those who plan to take advantage of them. (im saying humans are intelligent and that every proper average american has the same capacity to rule themselves socially and financially as any person in government unlike socialists who think everyone is stupid and the government can run your life better than you can.)

At 4/3/12 11:10 AM, TucoM wrote: They all were socialist. True Marxian Communism has never been achieved.

I still call them dirty commies.

True Marxism will not be able to ever be achieved until the whole world gets indoctrinated, forced into slave labor, or is disappeared.

Once that happens though, it's a Utopia

Greetings, Socialists of Newgrounds! Sorry to dig up an old topic, but I didn't think this warranted its own thread.

I've been doing a lot of reading on Socialism, and while the reading I've been doing makes some very valid and relevant criticisms of Capitalism and a lot of good arguments for why Socialism is, at least in theory, the superior system (with which I would agree) I was wondering how this would affect the entertainment/arts industry?

The basic gist of Socialism is public ownership (in this instance, through the government) of the means of production. This is practical for some industries, in which the public can decide the most efficient way to produce goods, which goods would be the best to produce, how much to produce, etc. For other industries, however, this is more complicated. Because the value of things like movies, music, television shows, paintings etc. is completely subjective, how would these things be produced if the means to do so were government owned?