The guildlines for religious debate

[Stereocrisis]

I just want to say that being an atheist does not make you a scientist, cosmologist, or physicist. You have formed rough ideas about things you have read, and watched on TV. You may be right, and you may be intelligent, but you are not nearly as smart as you think. You could quote great men who have doctor's degrees in this type of thing, and maybe you can even somewhat understand it, but you don't fully understand it, so stop getting all high and mighty in debates.

And religious people. You are not theologists. Reading the bible is not the same as studying at the vatican. Understanding biblical texts is not the same as understanding how many times those texts have been edited. You can't just go into a debate with blind faith. You may be right, and you may be intelligent, but you can't say truly that you understand exactly what you're talking about.

I just think people on both sides of the arguement waste their minds on falsity, when the truth is there to be learned. At a time like this, when you have this information at your fingertips online, (not at a library buried in a mountain of books, not at a school at the center of a boring lecture.. RIGHT AT YOUR FINGERTIPS!) why waste your time on fighting over it? The truth is more interesting. Learning is more interesting. Developing your mind is more interesting.

But until then, can these please be the guildlines for half-assed relious debate? PLEASE? It's easy, just go into it completely aware that you don't know exactly what you're talking about, and confess it before you come out swinging. If we can do this, debates won't take such an ugly turn. You might even come to some kind of agreement to disagree, instead of calling each other retarded.

[BasedBubbus]

How about we just don't make them? Can't we just respect each others beliefs in things we can't prove and move on? No?

Well continue the thread...

[dlxrevolution]

I embrace other religions, hell I don't even mind narrow mindedness, just don't force your bullshit on me and others.

[Jin]

Just because I don't dedicate my life to researching my opinions doesn't mean the opinions don't happen to be also the fact.

[Stereocrisis]

At 2/6/12 02:58 AM, Jin wrote: Just because I don't dedicate my life to researching my opinions doesn't mean the opinions don't happen to be also the fact.

What opinions are those? Be specific.

[Jin]

At 2/6/12 03:02 AM, Stereocrisis wrote: What opinions are those? Be specific.

So you can try to tear them apart? Anything. I can claim that Lakers is the best NBA team, and others will have their opinions, but there can only be one strongest NBA team and those whose opinions match will happen to be a fact. That doesn't mean one has to even know what players are in the teams, but of course knowing also helps prove that you aren't taking a wild guess.

[Stereocrisis]

At 2/6/12 03:05 AM, Jin wrote:

At 2/6/12 03:02 AM, Stereocrisis wrote: What opinions are those? Be specific.

So you can try to tear them apart?

I just want to know what you're trying to say, that's all.

Anything. I can claim that Lakers is the best NBA team, and others will have their opinions, but there can only be one strongest NBA team and those whose opinions match will happen to be a fact. That doesn't mean one has to even know what players are in the teams, but of course knowing also helps prove that you aren't taking a wild guess.

That's kind of a bad analogy. You can't ever prove for a fact that there is a "best" NBA team. That would always be a matter of opinion. A team is filled with players, who are all human beings, fully capable of having good and bad days. Even the "best" team would be subject to the weakest links. If you could make it a fact, the honor of the "best" team would probably be passed on from team to team with each passing second due to any number of factors.

So again I ask you, what are your opinions? Be specific. Stop being so guarded. You shouldn't have a reason to be paranoid. This is just some stupid website. Even if I tear your shit apart, you're identity is hidden, faceless, nameless.. You are a wall of text. We'll never see you in a social setting such as a classroom, or a supermarket, and point, and whisper.

lol

[Entice]

I make an effort not to state anything as fact unless I have some research to back it up. I seek to learn things. I don't think I'm a genius, I know what I know.

As for not acting "high and mighty"... no. So what if I call out some names? It doesn't make my argument any less valid. I try to only act "high and mighty" when it's appropriate, like when the other person obviously isn't listening to me or is being a little fucktwit in some other way..

[yurgenburgen]

At 2/6/12 02:35 AM, Stereocrisis wrote: I just want to say that being an atheist does not make you a scientist, cosmologist, or physicist.

Who is claiming it does?

You may be right, and you may be intelligent, but you are not nearly as smart as you think.

Shouldn't you be taking your own advice, then, and not making bold assertions you can't support?

maybe you can even somewhat understand it, but you don't fully understand it

Who are you to determine whether or not a person understands a particular subject?
And whilst we're on that, what specifically are you talking about when you say "you don't understand it"?
What don't they understand?

But until then, can these please be the guildlines for half-assed relious debate?

No, because your guidelines are vague and stupid.

[dark-knight-link]

This is how I look at things.

If you are an Atheist and you insult Theists over their religion, you're a faggot.

If you're a Theist, and you insult Atheists over their lack of religion, you're a faggot.

If you're a Theist and you insult Theists for not being the same religion as you are, you're a giant faggot.

If you're an "agnostic" who doesn't understand what the term actually means and insults Atheists and Theists, you're a massive faggot and a retard.

[Jin]

At 2/6/12 03:43 AM, Stereocrisis wrote: That's kind of a bad analogy. You can't ever prove for a fact that there is a "best" NBA team. That would always be a matter of opinion.

It is a poor analogy, but you should get my point.

So again I ask you, what are your opinions? Be specific. Stop being so guarded.

I ain't. It was a general statement, that opinions sometimes are in line with facts, whether you're educated or not. Assuming you want to know my opinion regarding religion, I believe that all the stories are fiction.

[Swag-in-a-Bag]

The most popular debate ever to occur in history to present has to be whether or not God or religion holds any validity as I believe it crosses every human beings mind at some point in our lives, and from that point on either we are for, against , or unsure of the idea; but how we live or lives out, and the end results sure will show one day

[Prinzy2]

By having a debate about religion you will always have two polarizing views and both parties will feel each other are attacking their own beliefs. Even a civil discussion is hard to accomplish.

[Heretic-Anchorite]

At 2/6/12 05:55 AM, Prinzy2 wrote: By having a debate about religion you will always have two polarizing views and both parties will feel each other are attacking their own beliefs. Even a civil discussion is hard to accomplish.

In freemasonry I believe it is forbidden to speak of money, religion, and politics because of there polarizing ability.

I don't think we should avoid the subject just because of that though, who cares if people argue. stop making a big deal out of it.

I only joke with the "let the religious debates begin" because some points people bring up are already overdone, and sometimes a topic, no matter how unrelated it was to religion when it was started turns into a religious topic, not just because it is a religious topic.

[Chocomilk]

I like to think that religion is like politics. In the Government, both Democrats and Republicans are corrupt. Neither one is right about everything. I just choose to follow the one that makes more sense to me.

But I fucking hate it when my friends say things like, "Dude, stop. You're going to go to hell if you keep believing in Atheism." I also hate when other friends say things like, "I wanna piss in a bible (yes, I have a friend who said that)." Shut up, because we are all probably wrong. Maybe we're right, but who knows? So you think what you want to think, I'll think what I want to think, and we'll just keep it to ourselves or others who share our beliefs. And that's it, it's as simple as that.